Why Do People Obsess So Much Over Twilight? (140)

1 Name: Tenshi-chan : 2009-11-29 13:58 ID:EwHlMaZX

Just to say this first, i'm not trashing or bad-mouthing the books (i've read plenty of other books that are worse than that and i wonder how they were even made into books).

I've read the books but... What's so good about them?
Everwhere i go, all i ever hear about is the series. And it didn't bother me at first, but it is starting to annoy me (again, not bad mouthing the books).

I just want people to tell me why the books are so good, i mean there's plenty of other books previous to the series which involve a human and vampire falling in love. I'm curious as to why this particular series has so many fans.

Would people tell me please? :o I want to hear your thoughts.

P.S - Please don't just reply with the whole 'Edwards is so hot OMG!' etc etc.

2 Name: James : 2009-11-29 14:05 ID:r255W2wR

Heh - it always amused me. Girls go wild over it, claiming it's twoo luv, but it details a picture-perfect image of everything modern feminism claims not to want; a submissive personality-free heroine; a domineering and controlling and powerful man; sex appeal used as a primary motivation, and so on.

Personally, I think that so many people obsess over them because they're an outlet - almost as if they're a reassurance that things they may find appealing but are told by the modern system of ethics are bad.

Of course, that's an accident of the author's. She can't write worth a damn. 9 :

3 Name: Harbinger of Doom : 2009-11-29 14:08 ID:ZWzTo3oL

haha i never read them and refuse to watch them, and yet i have heard enough about it to peice together the whole bloody storyline... Its annoying lmao

4 Name: DarthRevanShepard : 2009-11-29 14:11 ID:dbb4QHDq

I read the first book and thought it was OK, read the second one and then just stopped. I couldn't take anymore of Edwards hard skin or Edwards cold lips. Dear god it's not attractive and Robert Pattinson is fugly, I felt like puking when he took his shirt off in the New Moon movie.

5 Name: Tenshi-chan : 2009-11-29 14:19 ID:EwHlMaZX

Agree with DarthRavenShepard about the whole repeating on how Edward is hot.

In my opinion i don't think i ever saw the attraction of it since i couldn't really bother obsessing over a guy who was apparently the perfect male.

My idea of a perfect guy is actually somebody who has flaws, is they don't then their not human-- ah scratch that (Ed is a vampire(. Their not real.

The first book seemed promising and the idea seemed interesting but i believe that love can't be found so easily. This may jsut be me being cynical, i guess in all i don't mind people liking the book: their allowed their own opinion.

I just don't like the fact that other books that i feel have more depth (trying hard not to trash the book here) are hardly evr noticed where as Twilight is EVERYWHERE.

6 Name: Hexxed Quill : 2009-11-29 16:56 ID:gQMtp6uv

I have TRIED to read the first book, just to see what all my girlfriends were drooling over, and I am just about ready to tear edwards cold, sparkly, man-beautiful head off. he sounds in no way attractive, and i would have thought it would be horrible to be with someone so cold and "stone-like".
anyways, I hated the way that vamps were portraid as gorgeous and SPARKLY(!!!!)and, to put it simply DEAD-ISH!!!! bram stoker would be disgusted. i just hate it that so many people have gone sparkly eyed(no pun intended) over twilight when there are so many other books that actually have realistic characters with realistic personalities (when i say realistic i mean believable)

7 Name: 777-DemonicYoshi-888 : 2009-11-29 17:53 ID:r0Gsj+Ds

Ugh! Twilight! You said the forbidden word! curls up and weeps

But seriously, I don't get the point. I'm almost afraid to touch the books in case Edward Thingy possesses me with his 'super-sexy-epic-hawt-drooling-awesomeness' that most girls I know seem to be under the spell of...

All they ever talk about 'ZOMG EDWARD'S TEH HAWTNESSS!!!!!11!!11!1!oneone' or 'ZOMFG JACOBZ SOOOO FITTIE LYK TOTALLY YAAAAH!!!1!111!' or 'OMGOMGOMG JUST SAW NEW MOON HE TOOK HIS SHIRT OFF I DIED LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL'... hot damn it gets on my nerves ¬¬

8 Name: RayRay : 2009-11-29 17:58 ID:fJ88AeCM

I'm guilty of thinking Jacob is hot, but hey, I'm a human girl, and if a guy has a nice body, god damnit Im gonna drool!

I like twilight, but even I have to admit that its not well written, and the twi-fangirls annoy the hell out of me.

For the record, I hate Bella and Edward, my fave characters are Alice, Jasper, Carlisle and Emmett, and Jacob.

I know why people hate it. I happen to like it though, but meh, each to their own. I know theres much bet Literatureout there, and I read loads of it =)

9 Name: Anonymous : 2009-11-29 18:25 ID:WNp92edH

I've read all the books (including the one not released on paper but on internet) and after reading it I considered two things... First) was I reading a draft? Second) The author used and abused the thesaurus!! I guess the people who do like these books are the ones who haven’t read much. I have spoken to some Twilight fans, and their knowledge of literature is limited to the Saga only.

10 Name: Anonymous : 2009-11-29 18:27 ID:WNp92edH

oh btw, the twilight fans im referring to are the only ones who appriase the books by saying 'It's true luwwww' and 'Edward is so hot, he's perfect!'

11 Name: Little Miss B : 2009-11-30 05:27 ID:2Dg0Bwkr

Twilight was aimed at a late-teen audience, unfortunately it was picked up by pre-teens. Pre-teens who, most of which, have only read for school projects and have no real experience with other types of literature. And are neck-deep in pre-teen sexual tension and that old 'No body loves me!!! Waaaah!' crap who can buy into a bland heroine and the cliched 'super' man.

Twilight isn't that bad a plot, a little cliche but, still a good plot. It's a little tame for my tastes, but I still like it. Though I'm still dissappointed and disgusted with the whole, glittery, sparkly vampires guff.

The completely obsessed fans who think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and then some hype it up. And it's getting to the point where people who can appreciate it as another novel/movie saga and leave it at that get lumped with the nutters who can't go a day without talking about how hot Edward is and how they wish a sparkly vampire would appear where they live and whisk them away. What the hell?!

12 Name: Angel-of-Shadows : 2009-11-30 10:56 ID:YJ9G0uT/

I don't agree with your pre-teen stereotype. Who are you to say the age of some of the others on this forum?

Anyhoo, I liked the plot, unfortunately it was badly written. And I'm not one of those screaming fangirls, I just happen to appreciate that the original plot was a fairly good idea. I just get p*ssed off by the fact Edward is so bloody domineering, and that Bella lets him walk over here. She has free will, doesn't she? Jeez.

13 Name: RayRay : 2009-11-30 11:05 ID:fJ88AeCM

I think >>11 was just saying that the pre-teens got their hands on it, and that a lot of the hype has come from them, which is true, it really has.

It's like tweemo's...they follow something and it gets a bad name, its just the way things are, and you have to admit that the pre-pubescent fangirl is much more likely to scream things such as "ZOMG EDWARD IS TEH BEST THING EVAAARRR" than someone who has experience of reading numorous other pieces of literature.

Me and my group of friends all read it, and some of the people in that group are like me, read a lot, and some...well don't. And I love my friends, but the ones who fell into the latter of that last statement were ultimately more excited about the whole thing.

-Sigh- I hate stereotyping, but sometimes you have to admit, things get out of hand due to one group of people, and then everyone else has to deal with it.

Rant over.

=]

14 Name: James : 2009-11-30 12:58 ID:r255W2wR

I'm just waiting patiently for the hype to die down. Until then, http://www.twilightsucks.com/ keeps me amused - there's some pretty amusing anecdotes on the forums about encounters with rabid fangirls attacking the rest of us with teeth, house keys, thrown bibles, and screams of KYAAAAA!

15 Name: Lil' Dragon : 2009-11-30 15:30 ID:IyyRiun3

I believe that the obsession with Twilight stems from the fact that, although there aren't as many Twilight hyperactives as we think there are, a lot of people like it and because of that there are numerous people who just take it to far and have a major hype over it that make it seem like we are being invaded by entirely-to-obsessive fangirls.
Now I do admit that Jacob can be considered a nice piece of eye candy, however, the obsession with Edward I really have no understanding for. Especially the 'It's true love' factor. No matter how hard I tried, I could not get my classmates to understand that it was the most unnatural thing in all of history to commit suicide, regardless of the situation (note that we are all 15/16). Thankfully my war against the fangirl corner resulted in becoming allied with the boys of the classroom (what a relief).
Whenever analysing the relationship of Edward and Bella I always ask myself 'How can one stand something so hard, cold and domineering?' I don't know about you other girls, but when it comes to my boys, I like thekm sweet and kind men who will understand and accept my point of view (if they happen to be a bit of eye candy, that is a bonus but the deciding factor is if they will try to cut of aspects of my life i.e. friends and family). Upon this point, the fangirl corner replied;

FANGIRLS: But if you really, really love him then it doesn't matter how dommineering he is'

ME: It matters. No self respecting woman would allow any man to influence them to that degree.

FANGIRLS: But he's sooooooooooooo gorgeous! You don't just let a hunk like that pass by!

ME: I do if he's nicking batteries out of my car to stop me from seeing my friends!

I apologise if this is a little cruel for you, but I had this conversation this morning.
One other possibility is that a lot of the people I know who fangirl over Twilight were the sort of people who were talking all about fairy tales and princesses 24/7 at the age of five whilst painting their nails with Mummy's nail varnish (whilst I went outside and got covered from head to toe in mud (you wouldn't believe that I am female, would you?)). They are also the kind that watch horror stories now. Do you not see? The 'pretty', sparkly vampire is the perfect combination their childhood fairytales and their current fantases of eternally 'sexy' vampires. I dunno about you lot, but a 'perfect', 'pretty' and sparkly vampire is enough to make me want to break out the crucifix and wooden stake (whilst preying vehemently that they work on Twilight vampires).
I will now say, in no uncertain terms, that I am not a fan of Twilight. It's too unrealistic for my tastes and I know it is not meant as such, but I cannot help but feel that it is a mockery of vampires.
Thank you

16 Name: The Unreal Insomniac : 2009-11-30 15:38 ID:8mt0ZXGi

They aren't good. Simple as.

I'm not slating the author, but trust me I love fiction, it's my life blood, and I've spent the last maybe six years of my life reading good books, plays and poems.

Amongst these are:

The Hobbit
Animal Farm
Frankenstein
Dracula
Several plays by Shakespeare
Some of Chaucer's work
1984 (I didn't like the book but I can admit it was good)
The Great Gatsby
The Death of a Salesman
All My Sons
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf

and many, many more.

Simple fact people, it's not a good book, it's not a good series. It's taking everything vampire and werewolf and spitting on it. Vampires do NOT sparkle in sunlight.

Now I will accept anybody who throws stuff at me for this, but I'm not just saying the books are terrible from the amount of hype it's been given, on a academic level, formed by an academic standpoint, I have read some of the greats and Twilight ain't one of them.

And I have read the damn book before you start on me for that. I put the damn thing down before I finished the first chapter.

Sits back and waits

Bring it.

17 Name: James : 2009-11-30 15:47 ID:r255W2wR

Insomniac - try taking a look at this if you enjoy reading playscripts.

http://www.organicfamily.com/homestage/earnestScript.html

The sun doesn't flame Twilight's vampires, so somebody has to - and maybe, just maybe, that's going to be you today. : )

18 Name: The Unreal Insomniac : 2009-11-30 19:46 ID:8mt0ZXGi

>>17 Well someone has to.

I'm more than happy to be the one who does it.

19 Name: Iaculus : 2009-11-30 23:23 ID:pbRxfiY8

Reposted from another thread...

Six magic words (ten if you include the hyphenated ones): Hyper-aging, hyper-intelligent, seven-year-old vampire dream bride.

Just... NO.

20 Name: Chibi : 2009-12-01 01:31 ID:rL57QL/O

Okay I think I've been hiding under a rock... Never seen/read Harry Potter and Twilight? never heard of it until I came across it as a xover with YGO... My excuse...er I don't have one.

21 Name: James : 2009-12-01 10:03 ID:r255W2wR

I wouldn't bother reading Twilight, Chibi. Unless you're reading it as a parody. I went into the film with an aim to view it as a parody of teenage girls, and laughed all the way through.

Harry Potter's okay though - if a bit overhyped.

@Iaculus: am I the only one who thought of a demon baby bursting from her stomach belonged in a B-rated Japanese horror film, and was not sweet at all, despite common opinion?

22 Name: CRAZiiTWiiLiiGHTFAN : 2009-12-01 10:08 ID:lqqOdXMg

TELL YOU WHY I AM TWILIGHT CRAZii ITZ CUZ DA MOVIE ROCKZ!! (well apart from kristins gay acting) LOOL AND CUZ ITS A SASSY TEEN VAMPIRE STORY, NEW MOON WAS AWESOME!!!

23 Name: RayRay : 2009-12-01 11:19 ID:Acta0Gqp

>>22

I physically shuddered.

Sassy? Please.

25 Name: The Unreal Insomniac : 2009-12-01 23:26 ID:8mt0ZXGi

>>22 If you come back and don't destroy the english language I may just ridicule you for your obsession for a sub par series and worse film series.

Key being, don't destroy the God damn english language.

26 Name: The Unreal Insomniac : 2009-12-01 23:37 ID:8mt0ZXGi

>>24 THose were brilliant, truly and exceedingly brilliant lol.

27 Name: Iaculus : 2009-12-02 01:00 ID:9Ylh2kJL

Dudes... I think 22 was kidding. Check the name.

28 Name: The Unreal Insomniac : 2009-12-02 02:48 ID:8mt0ZXGi

Well now I just feel stupid

29 Name: Yellow 14 : 2009-12-02 07:23 ID:47qhKXix

Twilight is not the worse book I've ever read. Some make Twilight seem like a masterpiece. But, when you want the two lead characters to die, that's not a good thing. My general opinion is that it's decent, but nowhere close to being as good as it's hyped up to be. The best testimonial to my opinion of the book is the fact that I feel no rush to read New Moon.

30 Name: Fated To Pretend : 2009-12-03 11:08 ID:4QxEvRJv

-_- twilight, i am ashamed to say i have read all the books and if you havnt read them DON'T There is bascially no plot to it, just the same old, 'i love you but you're human and i am a vampire it can never work' blah blah blah......no offence to anyone who likes twilght btw :)

31 Name: BrownieMonster : 2009-12-04 15:37 ID:21AKt7Em

I have to admit, i have read all of the twilight books and seen both movies and did quite enjoy them. I'm not going to say that they were the best piece of literature ever written because that would be a very big lie. I don't think it's so much that they had ever been intended as literature, just as a sort of escapism and they do live up to that quite well. If one is just feeling bored they do make quite a nice soft read, I personally read them between reading two hard chemistry books and found a liking for parts of characters, not whole ones and not the entire plot but there were likeable aspects. I also write twilight fan-fiction but it admittedly doesn't follow much of the books as i admit Edward is a little creepy sometimes, and Bella can be almost painful in her anti-feministic actions. I'd say it's fair enough for it to be liked by some girls that don't read anything else, let us at least be thankful that they are reading something!

32 Name: DragonFriend95 : 2009-12-06 11:29 ID:Ivg/nEhY

I find it completely baffling how much people worship the books. I can never go anywhere without hearing it, and it really grates on my nerves (I'm an unashamed anti-Twilight) Why do people like romantic stories so much? Not just Twilight, on one fandom out of 900 pages, over 650 were romance, which I find stupid. My anti-romance might come from my autism, but even so its just creepy how obsessed people are.

33 Name: katharyn : 2009-12-06 13:02 ID:3CpMqEO5

for some reason i dont like it at all and he is so not hot i agree with you there

34 Name: BP(L)AH : 2009-12-11 16:33 ID:b224QESQ

>>22

see i got forced to watch both Twilight and New Moon by friends of mine (there all crazy by the way) I fell asleep through both of them. The book was okay i gess. But the moral of that story is that " woman should do as the male says so" which is just stupid. As i as deffinatly a woman. So even though it was writen by a woman it creates a picture that woman should be sheep and men the sheep farmer (if you get what i mean).

Anyway.

Merry Christmas to those who celebrate it and Happy New Year to those who dont

35 Name: NightmareBec : 2009-12-13 12:11 ID:Io0czhqW

meh, its not so good, i have been reading them, and have nearly finished the last one. the only good bits are with Alice and Carlisle. Bella is a whingy assed pain in the butt!

36 Name: Tenshi-chan : 2009-12-14 10:48 ID:fanafaqi

NOTE: I don't know if its a joke or real but my classmates were discovering that apparently some heroine with Edward Cullen's (or the star who plays him) face was found.

Inspired probbly from the line Edward says "your my kind of heroine" - or something like that?

37 Name: RobynREN : 2009-12-14 12:17 ID:cBv0KfdS

A long time ago, i read the books. It was just after the second was released. I read them, then discarded them as, 'shit' Now. I can see why they appeal to the younger generation- I can see why they would like a book on the subject matter of love, vampires ect. that would make them feel, in their own way, special.

What i dont understand, however, is why 30 year old women like it. It holds no interest to me whatsoever, the aweful plot line, and wooden characters are far to child like in the way they were written, to be, in anyway 'good'

I dont think of myself as a good writer, 'per say, but i know, for a fact that I (and all of you) could write a book 10 times better than the twilight saga.

38 Name: Lorze the Brookes : 2009-12-14 13:54 ID:3qHN2UYV

I found the most PERFECT spoof video for Twilight on Youtube lol, it's called " Twilight SUCKS! Emo Vampire song" :D

http://www.youtube.com/user/barelypolitical#p/c/1C90BDF46E6EACFD/11/1glNuQiE77E - watch it, it's flipping hilarious :D

39 Name: JustAchild : 2009-12-14 14:17 ID:3+dCeKxj

>>38 Bloody brilliant! Haha, I like the twilight books but this was just awesome......haha....
..'pair of fangs......you thought I was gonna say balls, didn't you?'

40 Name: Me, Myself and I : 2009-12-14 14:30 ID:VNAOjr0t

>>38 That video's awesome! :D

41 Name: Gempire : 2009-12-14 15:37 ID:MrqYPrtF

@ Lorze the Brookes, bloody brilliant link. I think a lot of Twilight fans will find this funny, because if you can't laugh at the thing you like then you're too obsessed.

42 Name: Gempire : 2009-12-14 16:03 ID:MrqYPrtF

I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I rather liked the books, although the films leave something to be desired. I don't think they claimed to be the greatest books ever written, and some people can get a little...shall we say tense. But I don't see what people have against sparkly vampires, people are allowed to make things their own, like the whole Hollywood obsession with vampires bursing into flame in sunlight. I read Dracula, and the only problem he had was losing his powers, and oh yes, casting no shadow, so there you have it for the whole dramatic' shadow thing. So just remember the rules of vampires, werewolves etc. are not set in stone, so if someone wishes to have vampires allergic to lemons they can, or if they want them to be OCD and you throw poppy seeds in the air and they have to count them, so be it.

This is a bit of a rant, I get this way sometimes, but I'm like, if you don't like Twilight fair enough, but don't bad mouth those who do.

And I have read quite extensively before you claim I have no litarary knowledge.

It's just sometimes junkfood is easier to enjoy.

43 Name: Lorze the Brookes : 2009-12-14 16:52 ID:3qHN2UYV

>>42 I'm not saying that Twilight goes against the rules of vampires or anything, I agree that the basic plot and storyline is good, it's just when you add the writing style and characters and ACTORS that it starts to wobble a bit... But the link is hilarious :D

Especially the "Behind the Scenes". Apparently, to look emo, you have to look like you're about to throw up :D

44 Name: Gempire : 2009-12-15 03:13 ID:MrqYPrtF

>>43 The Actors are pretty bad. The only good ones are the ones playing the secondary charecters like Billy Burke who plays Charlie, steals the scene every time.

I'm going to check out the behind the scenes, that guy is hillarious, I checked out a few of his other videos as well, I liked the Mettallica parody :D

45 Name: Me, Myself and I : 2009-12-16 12:03 ID:VNAOjr0t

46 Name: RayRay : 2009-12-16 12:24 ID:BHAZfxBC

Holy shit.

They've really lost it.

WHY the HELL would someone jump someone over differing views on a stupid BOOK!

I have a friend who hates Harry Potter, I'm not going to kill her for it!

47 Name: Lorze the Brookes : 2009-12-16 14:15 ID:3qHN2UYV

Jesus H Christ, some people need a good hard boot up the backside - "I like this thing" "I don't like it" "SAY GOODBYE TO USE OF YOUR ARM, B@%£"$£!"

Seriously, the depths of humanity are suffocatingly depressing at times :(

48 Name: The Unreal Insomniac : 2009-12-18 09:15 ID:NoyjIBBu

That's freaking ridiculous, it's a freaking book!

I'm a huge fan of the Gentleman Bastards sequence by Scott Lynch. I'm not gonna knife some one for disagreeing. Jesus.

49 Name: eeyop1428 : 2009-12-18 12:12 ID:jhAWaQRS

watch Spill.com's review on Twilight 1 and 2 on Youtube. it's funny when they make fun of it. makes me want to watch the movies just to do just that.

50 Name: NewMagicWeaver : 2009-12-21 12:27 ID:HgR1zBcP

I don't see the hype behind Twilight. I meen if its the romantic vampire/human aspect of it, or the 'forbidden love' thing, why didn't anyone notice L.J.Smith books back in the 90's. I meen, I'm 14, so I wasn't even born when they were released. or has the newest generation developed a new gene which says that 3/4 of all girls must be obsessed with vampire/human forbidden love when they are teenagers? is it some evil plot to take over the world?
so if L.J.Smith books (Vampire Diaries, Night World etc)are similar to twilight, why aren't they as populer?
Most of the people i know which has read l.j.smith books and twilight say the l.j.smith ones are better.
so whats up with twilight?

51 Name: Lupa Dracolis : 2009-12-21 12:53 ID:l6+9pBmN

Okay, I like Twilight, Vampire Diaries, Night World, House of Night.....

But Twilight was my first, and so it holds a special place for me.

52 Name: NewMagicWeaver : 2009-12-24 09:06 ID:ktTlIqeD

>>51
I like house of Night. L.j.smith books are my favourite. Vampire Diaries was the first vampire romance books i read. then i read Night World. I'm obsessed with l.j.smith!!!!
I've only read the first four books of the house of night. it got a little too adulty for me. :(

53 Name: Holly and Clarissa : 2009-12-29 05:24 ID:eTuYG71r

I am a twilight fan but I don't obsess over the guys in it I think the stories are great and that behind the fame of it there is a true message that Stephanie was trying to get through. It's just some people like it and take it in where others don't. Exactly like the way of Vampire and Werewolf.
People have got hyped over nothing. When summit brung it out the world went crazy to see the mysterious Edward and Jacob and of course Bella.
When they brang out The vampires assistant by Darren Shan there was no where near as much fuss.
Personally I think the books are great and that the world has gone over the top wrekcing every word of Stephanie's books.

54 Name: Oxymoron : 2009-12-29 09:18 ID:PRPu15V3

I like the Twilight books - but I hadn't read anything like that before so I had nothing to compare it with - and I don't get the whole 'Team Edward/Team Jacob' thing - why do you have to pick sides?
I just liked the books because I found the plotlines intriguing and easy to follow, and I enjoy Stephanie Meyer's style of writing - a genuinely good read that sticks around in your head - not easily forgotton. It's just that, like others are saying here, people have taken it to obsession (I am noting the irony of this as I write this on a site for people obsessed with fan-works!), which can ruin the brilliance of a book. But it's like that with many big-sellers.
Personally, I don't care whether one person likes a book or not. That's not up to me - it's up to them. I like the Twilight books, but they are really the only up-to-date vampire books I've read. Plus, I don't obsess over the details of it. I don't think the last book was a 'let-down', and nor do I care about any messages carried within the books - I just liked to read it and enjoy it!

55 Name: Windesque : 2010-01-05 10:16 ID:GDT0OA3O

Bram Stoker, Jane Austen and countless other (dead) writers are turning over in their graves. The live ones are turning over in their beds.
I could write an extremely long rant on exactly why I hate it and why it deserves to be burnt on a stake, but I'll leave that out, since I don't want to bore you.

It's about 'hot' guys. 'Nuff said for the girls obssessing.

56 Name: Windesque : 2010-01-05 10:17 ID:GDT0OA3O

Bram Stoker, Jane Austen and countless other (dead) writers are turning over in their graves. The live ones are turning over in their beds.
I could write an extremely long rant on exactly why I hate it and why it deserves to be burnt on a stake, but I'll leave that out, since I don't want to bore you.

It's about 'hot' guys. 'Nuff said for the girls obssessing.

57 Name: ... : 2010-01-05 11:02 ID:WthPHMhg

How can you say that? Twilight is clearly the pinnacle of modern literature! Why, I would even go so far as to say that Dickens could learn a thing or two from Ms Meyer, oh yes. From her subtle forshadowing with mysterious dream sequences, to her imaginative adjective-use (Edward Cullen's 'scintillating' skin) to her lively, passionate main character Bella Sue- Twilight has it all!

58 Name: xx_madzie : 2010-01-05 11:20 ID:0coY0CRV

I have to admit, I HATE TWILIGHT. I have been into vampires and lycans from a young age so i know a lot about them but I have no problem with the storyline or even the writing itself it is more the way vampires are portrayed. Because vampires dont sparkle! If she used the same sort of portrayl that was used but Darren Shan that they feel excruciating pain it would have been a lot better. Plus the movie ruined it Robert Pattinson isnt Edward the role was written for Henry Cavil, Stephenie Meyers admtted it herself.

Btw ^^^^ dont compare Stephenie Meyer to Charles Dickens her foreshadowing wasnt that subtle if you have read any love story you kind of know what is going to happen. And if Twilight is the pinnacle of modern literature I feel for the next generations as instead of studying To Kill a Mocking Bird or 1984 they have to study Twilight, I do honestly feel for them.

59 Name: ... : 2010-01-05 11:37 ID:WthPHMhg

... You know, I'm not even going to bother.

60 Name: Iaculus : 2010-01-05 11:54 ID:jbdz6Xxd

Hey, is there a forum suggestions thread around here? Because we really need a 'sarcasm detector' app.

61 Name: ... : 2010-01-05 12:01 ID:WthPHMhg

@ Iaculus- I think we'll need more than one. Poor thing'll be overloaded in seconds.

62 Name: Layla James : 2010-01-05 12:49 ID:kwKDVw8M

lol i have to admit that love the books but i dont know why! they just kind of drew me in until i was in love with both edward and jacob as well! i love the films, because i have to admit taylor lautner is hot. however they dont do justice to the books and the books are far superior!

63 Name: Kookie : 2010-01-06 12:03 ID:Q/Wbgk+2

Well, I'm a recent Twilight fan (I got the first 3 books for Christmas) and I admit, I used to be anti-Twilight before I read it. But then I found the books rather readable, and soon became addicted.

I'm not, however, one of the crazy fans who yaps about it all day, I just like and enjoy reading it.

I also find Edward loses any of his coolness when he comes back in New Moon, and he just really went on to annoy me, and sometimes I just want Bella to understand that the emotion she's feeling isn't love (probably just some crazy vampire spell :P).

Please nobody kill me for my views!! I've got the perfect balance of being a fan yet still enjoying reading anti-twilighters views!!

64 Name: Windesque : 2010-01-13 13:25 ID:p/5H/vp9

From a PROPER author, Stephen King, via the Guardian:

"King compared the Mormon author to JK Rowling, saying that both authors were "speaking directly to young people". "The real difference is that Jo Rowling is a terrific writer and Stephenie Meyer can't write worth a darn. She's not very good," he told an interviewer from USA Weekend."

Robert Pattinson has also said that he's not all happy about the books, because they were based on a dream, or something. He doesn't like the series.

Kirsten Stewart also reportedly had a tantrum while acting, saying that 'Bella's such a douchebag!'

I find it quite funny that a best-selling writer, and the two main stars hate the series :p

65 Name: RayRay : 2010-01-13 13:33 ID:qZsdx1XP

I wonder how Meyer reacted to that...

Would be funny to try and have her rebuke Stephen King...

66 Name: ... : 2010-01-13 14:18 ID:WthPHMhg

Oh, you should read the posts by the Twitards on the subject of King; they're hilarious. And Robert Pattinson found it disturbing reading b/c it was like reading Meyer's private, ahem, fantasies. I read the quotes a while ago, and that was the basic gist... Pattinson is an anti-favourite.

Although that Guardian article is a bad piece of reporting, tbh- smeyer's religion is completely irrelevant in that context. While there is certainly a lot to say about Mormonism, that is not the place. I'm disappointed by that cheap shot.

67 Name: Lilly_McKay : 2010-01-13 18:08 ID:tT6kpAPa

I have to admit, I'm not in the least a fan of the Twilight series. I personally find them to be too similar to a madly written fan fic. But I'll not insult anyone who reads them. I've heard people say much of the same about Harry Potter, and I thought that series was fab. But there you go, to each their own I guess.

68 Name: Iaculus : 2010-01-13 18:48 ID:r7KnXIt/

69 Name: fan-to-fiction : 2010-05-02 04:51 ID:TE9/oNZk

I treated the books just like i treated the harry potter books.
I heard people go wild for them and didn't read them. Then, when every book I like had been read, I finally picked them up and read them. Just like harry potter, I find the books no too bad, but it's ridiculous to start a hype over it.

Personally, I feel more for the hp series than twilight. But only because the twist in the last book was kind of... well twisty.
But twilight was so predictable, it was a bit too much. Especially since the mayority of the fans are rabid early-teen girls who only like the series because they saw Robert Pattison in the film (what's so special about the guy anyway?).

For that reason alone I watched the first film. Not too bad, like the books, but neither something I would go wild for.

70 Name: RayRay : 2010-05-02 09:12 ID:SKNFRsTz

The first film was cringeworthy, now I look back on it.

71 Name: Moonphase : 2010-05-02 09:15 ID:yy5f62HJ

I hate what the books represent:
I hate that the women hardly ever speak. I hate that they hardly make any of their own decisions and base their entire lives around their men. I hate that 'imprinting' is portrayed as romantic and not as paedophilic and that, once more, women have no choice in their future or their partners. I hate that one of the wolves tears a woman's face up, but he's real sorry, so she has a romantic relationship with him. I hate that the vultari are basically the Vatican and that the Cullens are the goody mormons (it feels like sneaky, religious propoganda.) I hate that small town folk are treated as though they are all imbeciles, and that city folk are some sort of higher, cultured beings. I hate that characters like Jessicca are demonised for stupid reasons and for their reasonable dislike of the protagonists. Ihate that nice characters like Mike are treated with disdain and called 'dogs.' I hate that Edward tricks, bullies and manipulates Bella, and that this is seen as romantic. I hate that Bella has no job or education, and basically dies at the end (metaphorically and literally,) and that this is seen as a happy ending. I hate that it is called a 'saga' when it clearly isn't. I hate that my intelligent female friends do not understand the problems with this series. I hate that it is aimed for 12 year old girls.
Harry Potter, whilst there were issues with the way it was written, it at least had the decency to sell a real, appropriate and positive message to it's young readers.

72 Name: Scourgeofthegalaxy : 2010-05-02 09:15 ID:C9JwpLMh

Bad news: Like many times it seems in this story, you switch genders spontaneously, ala Ranma 1/2. Google if you don't know it.

73 Name: sharingansupergirl : 2010-05-02 09:37 ID:3EIQAomJ

>>71, Am I to take it you really don't like Twilight? =P All your points are true, although I never actually noticed the relation to the Vatican/Mormon thing until it was pointed out here.

74 Name: Castiel Girl 93 : 2010-05-02 10:23 ID:QbYIW+PP

I have read all the twilight books and there is no reason for the hype, the books are very badly written - if there is a plot then I don't see it, the dialogue is repetative with the whole 'I love you but I don't want to damn your soul to hell by turning you' seriously. Edward is not hot - his peronalitly would make any woman with common sense turn and run screaming. His is a total contorl freak and I would never let a guy boss me around or stop me from seeing my friends the way Edward does to Bella - if fact I would tell him where to go and then brake out the staks. Further I have read classics like, Jane Austin and Dickens. I have also read Jane Eyre. Twilight is no where near as good as these books. Being a big read, who has read lots of books about vampires and other supernatural beings, including, The House of Night serise, Night World, Vampire Academy and have began the Dead Until Dark serise. Twilight is terible compared to them and is not worth the hype that it has reseved. The movies where badly done, Carlise, Emse, Alice, Jasper, Emmet, Rose and Jacob and the wolves are the only good things in the book and the films. Jacob in the films is hot but Edward (Robert Paterson) is hidious and Fugly, it is imposilbe to even consider that someone like him is totally to die for hot. In my class at school all the girls are obsseed with Edward and worse yet Jedward whom I think are an insult to music and all that it stands for.

75 Name: captinifeelwozey : 2010-05-02 11:13 ID:tLcexguw

OK... Well I am a Twilight fan, not huge but I like the books and definatly don't go mad over them! I like the books and hate the movies.

The way I see it is that its just another version of a vampire and I actually like Stephanies new take on it (no fangs, can walk in daylight etc) because they have been portrayed in so many slightly different ways over the years, it seems to me that people are not liking the change of what a vampire could be. Its fiction so vampires can be anything you want. Although in most books people will usually call them something different like 'suckers' for example, rather than actually saying vampire.

I have read L.J Smiths work and I didn't like it. Also yes Stephanie can't write well, her imagination isn't that good either. When reading The Host (I realy liked the story line) it was obvious she didn't have much of one. I mean come on... claw beasts and sea weeds!! Now shes saying she wants to write a book about mermaids!!! >_<

And Jacob is so not sexy! just had to add that in!

76 Name: captinifeelwozey : 2010-05-02 11:14 ID:tLcexguw

I forgot to add.... I'm with SFX magazine... the films are crap!!

77 Name: Moonphase : 2010-05-02 11:28 ID:yy5f62HJ

>>75, they're nothing like vampires. It was a waste of time naming them as such.

If you get a male that has big dove-like wings on his back, a halo on his head and a harp in his hand, he isn't a mermaid because I say so, or because he happens to be able to swim.

78 Name: DuxAtrum : 2010-05-02 14:36 ID:J7QGaN1H

>>76 Hear, hear! Really, they have nothing in common with actual vampires bar the predilection for blood—and it's not even necessarily human blood. (I mean, come on.)

In fact, one of the major things that made vampires so appealing is the subtle (aaand sometimes not so subtle) connotations to and parallels with sex. (Being bitten by a vampire = having sex, yadda yadda.) Once you take that component out, what's left? (Something completely unappealing, is what.)

79 Name: DuxAtrum : 2010-05-02 14:37 ID:J7QGaN1H

>>77 Hear, hear! Really, they have nothing in common with actual vampires bar the predilection for blood—and it's not even necessarily human blood. (I mean, come on.)

In fact, one of the major things that made vampires so appealing is the subtle (aaand sometimes not so subtle) connotations to and parallels with sex. (Being bitten by a vampire = having sex, yadda yadda.) Once you take that component out, what's left? (Something completely unappealing, is what.)

80 Name: Lupa Dracolis : 2010-05-02 15:09 ID:4Sf0hNNh

It isn't just S. Meyer; all authors portray vampires differently. It would be boring if they were all the same! I like that she wasn't afraid to have her own take on vampires. Two examples below:

Darren Shan - vampires don't have fangs, they have incredibly strong fingernails. They are not bitten to become vampires. You can have half vampires. Vampires who drain a human of their blood (vampanese) have purple/red skin. Half vampires can go out in sunlight. Vampires are not immortal.

House of Night - vampires are not bitten to become vampires, they are 'chosen'. Vampires have tattoos on their heads showing that they're vampires. Vampires are not immortal. Vampires have their own religion.

81 Name: Moonphase : 2010-05-02 15:43 ID:yy5f62HJ

>> there is a difference between interpretation, reinvention, and plain old lack of research and lazy writing. Remember, most people who hate meyerpires read a lot of vampire novels and love vampires nd are well versed in the various reincarnations of vampires in the media.

Good writers (i.e. Anne Rice) can reimagine vampires, but keep them as vampires. How? Because she researched and understood what she was writing.

Lazy writers (i.e. Meyer)just slap a label on something and hope it works. "Incubus/vampire, it's all the same right? And they glitter in the sun, hehe, so cute!!"

There are crucial things that make a vampire, as said in post >>79 vampires are always representations of the animalistic evil inside man (whether Louis-like anti heroes, or Lestat-like villains) and, especially since Dracula, are sexual beings. That is why they are always in horrors or horror/romances. Vampires have many translations over the centuries, but crucial elements remain the same.

The truth is the Cullens have almost nothing in common with vampires, unlike the example you use which just alter the rules slightly. Meyer was a lazy writer who wanted her sex symbols to at least look forever young. She could have made them pixies, angels, ghosts, anything, and the story would have gone exactly th same way. Meyerpires are pitiful vampires and the novels are an embarrasment to the horror/vampire genre.

82 Name: ... : 2010-05-02 15:45 ID:Ye9LMm5A

Most vampires, however, have something in common with at least one vampire myth. For example, one vampire may be closer to a succubus in nature, and take features from Lilith, for example, or Empusae. Another may be closer to the Chiang Shih in nature. Then you have Stoker's famous Christian depiction, the Slavonic nosufur-atu, the Greek Vrykolakas (and, indeed, Lamia) and Callicantzaros, the Indian Rakshasas/Rakshasis, the Malaysian Langsuir and Bajang, the Phillipino Aswang...

Basically, Meyer had a...

83 Name: ... : 2010-05-02 15:50 ID:Ye9LMm5A

... million myths and legends to choose from, and yet her vampires had nothing in common with ANY of them. I honestly don't know how she managed it.

Then again, I don't know how I just managed to spell 'Filipino' as 'Phillipino'... well, at least I didn't print it in a book.

84 Name: Moonphase : 2010-05-02 15:56 ID:yy5f62HJ

>>83, and even if you did print it in a book, that kind of error is nothing to being so lazy that you couldn't be bothered to even 'google research' a myth that's been with us for millenia.

85 Name: ... : 2010-05-02 16:05 ID:Ye9LMm5A

Not to mention that vampires have been part of pop-culture for quite some time, so it's a mystery to me how Meyer managed to get them so badly wrong. Had she been living in a locked box? How do you take the most versatile, famous, creatures of myth and STILL bork them up?

86 Name: Moonphase : 2010-05-02 16:23 ID:yy5f62HJ

the whole story is based on her dream, where a girl and boy loved each other, but couldn't stay together. (Even the dream is incredibly boring.)So the vampire label was probably tacked on last minute to make the 'drama' and because 'eternally young' is part of her sexual fantasy. (She has a real 'thing' for youth doesn't she? I mean imprinting is pretty gross...)

My theory is that she put absolutely no thought into itand knows little of modern vampires, being that most films and books are relatively erotic and/or violent, and she's a mormon housewife.

But, you're right, even with that, she got vampires so wrong...it's quite incredible really...

87 Name: RayRay : 2010-05-02 21:53 ID:SKNFRsTz

I swear somewhere on this thread someone commented that Meyer has claimed to have never read or seen anything to do with vampires previously.

Therefore, I am forced to conclude, that she has indeed been living in a box.

Either that or she's a stupid cow trying to justify her own mistake.

Or in any sense that could be her way of saying that somehow she thought she had come up with the genre... that's a laughable thought... Oh my, it's got me thinking now.

88 Name: Krentenbol : 2010-05-04 06:13 ID:DO9/Pk1a

I quite dislike Twilight.
Don't get me wrong, I love vampire stories, and have read quite a lot of them when I was younger.
But Twilight is just so...cliché! I personaly am sick and tired of all those (mostly young) girls who idealize and romantisize vampires as the perfect living (ahem, dead) creatures that roam the fictional world! I like vampire stories where vampires are a bit like Dracula. You know, they act very distinguished, but are actually monsters.
And I also have no problem with the (sadly over-clichéd) plotline of a human girl that falls for a vamire, but in my mind she always has to have some mental issues. I mean, who in his right mind falls for someone that lives on human blood i.e. YOU?
I've only seen the first Twilight movie, and thought it was, well, cliché but watchable, till that scene with the sparkling. After that it just lost all of it's credibility for me.

89 Name: KuroShoujo : 2010-05-04 08:10 ID:rUJQ9Qb8

I don't understand it too!
I really hate twilight, men don't glitter! The only men I allow to glitter are J-rockers and gay guys!
I will not allow awesome vampires to glitter! They have to be dark and hot... and sexy, with red eyes!
Out to bite some hot bishounen <3
The story is also really superficial and stupid like, when Edward goes to kill himself (Expose himself to the sun) on that huge Italian festival, he thinks everyone will think "OMG HE GLITTERS! It's a vampire! RUN!"
But that's just plain stupid, most people would think "Oh, look it's a gay glittering performer!"
The Volturi wouldn't even kill him! They would be like "Oh they all think you're gay now, why would we kill you? At least you didn't bite anyone."
Vampires are basically people who drink blood of other people, that's all there is to it, special powers aren't needed, because that alone is already a vampire.
You can add more monsterlike/supernatural feautures, but not "Oh the world is so happy" features like being all sparkly .
I know I'm one of the girls that likes vampire (GUYS) being all lovey-dovey with other guys, with lots of drama, blood and romance... something like Necratoholic <3 (VampirexVampirehunter yaoi with lots of blood, licensed)
If you make a story with vampire or monsters in it and romance it should have the next elements:
-If it has sexual stuff in it: Cruel words "From now on you are my pet" or something like that it can be said by Vampire/Demon -> Victim or Vampire Hunter/Exorcist->Vampire/Demon ... teeheehee... my pervy mind.
-GORE! Many blood, organs, torture, dead, rape, vampires and demons aren't nice creatures.

  • Tragedy, Vampires and Demons are often cold, lonely and dark creatures. Often they also weren't vampire/demons from the start.
  • Realistic responses, how real people would react on stuff (Like with the glitter in twilight, Normal people wouldn't be afraid of it because they do not know ANYTHING about vampires)

Ugh... did I rant to much?

90 Name: Niori : 2010-05-31 00:15 ID:r5S8IWap

Okay seriously, Angel-of-Shadows, you think that Twilight is an original plot?

Half of the vampire fcition out there is the whole vampire falling in love with a human and angst follows. Hell, Edward/Bella is like a new, even less likable Buffy/Angel. Except that Buffy and Angel both had some sort of personality and broke up in the end.

Oh, and on another note- who the hell is a vampire and then spends 100 years going to HIGH SCHOOL! Good God! Once is enough!!!! Just claim you're home schooled or something!

Also, not to get squicky, but if Jasper (I think that's the one) lost it at Bela''s papercut, then there's no way he could go tto school. At any given point at least one girl would be on her period.

91 Name: Anonymous : 2010-06-02 09:23 ID:Gzkc03Zx

I even don't know if I'm a fan of Twilight at least not a big one. I like the books and I know there are mistakes in it but I don't like the movies like the acting work of the actors.

Like with award shows, this sunday are the MTV Movie Awards and I wonder if they win in all categories. I didn't vote for them, when I saw Kristen Stewart, Robert Pattinson or Taylor Lautner, I just voted for someone else I mean GLOBAL SUPERSTAR, you got to be kidding me; Daniel Radcliffe, Johnny Depp and then those three of Twilight, I'm sorry but I voted for Johnny Depp, I mean why should I vote for Kristen, Robert or Taylor? Those three are amateurs compared to Johnny. And BEST MOVIE? I thought that Dark Night or Slumdog Millionare won last year but no, Twilight is the best, NO FOLKS IT'S NOT. I voted this year for AVATAR but I really hope that everyone wins except New Moon it just sucks. Twilight or New Moon didn't deserve any awards yeah maybe the RAZZIES. It's just ridiculous that Twilight wins so much prizes while others were lots and lots better.

But with the books, yeah it's just stupid that when a vampire from Stephenie Meyer comes into the sun that they are going to sparkle. How did she come up with that? It's just stupid if she just made vampires just like Dracula or something the saga would be better but no her vampires are far, far, far away from Dracula or other vampires. If I should choose between Twilight or The Vampire Diaries I would choose for The Vampire Diaries. Those vampires have more in commen then those from Meyer.

92 Name: moonphase : 2010-06-02 21:47 ID:Q+WSykJx

It wasn't just errors though (like grammatical, historical etc)some of us dislike what the book advocates (i.e. the amazing, pure love between Sam and Emily.)

Meyerpires have nothing to do with 'real' vampires, only that they drink blood. And they are nothing like Incubuses (sp?)

I was never fussed on the Sookie Stackhouse series, but I like True Blood. Can anyone else see how Louis and Lestat may have influenced the creation of Bill and Eric? Or is that just me?

93 Name: RayRay : 2010-06-02 22:40 ID:rDD/LBF2

Incubi ;)

The MTV movie awards thing really, really bothered me. How Rob Pattinson or Kristen Stewart can be compared to someone like Johnny Depp, who has made more movies than their tiny little minds could probably comprehend... it's an outrage. I'm not watching the awards, because if one of them gets it, I'll be extremely ticked off. The movies are bad, the only reason they're up for awards is because of the ridiculous fanbase that the movies have.

It's enough to make me extremely angry, and I can't ignore it, try as I might.

94 Name: moonphase : 2010-06-03 12:30 ID:Q+WSykJx

Hahaha, Incubuses..sesss...

95 Name: MidnightRainbow : 2010-06-10 07:20 ID:Y4YFZ0ib

Twilight is just a ridiculous, terribly-written so-called 'story' which the idiotic publishers decided to inflict on the world. The plot is boring, predictable, and completely unimaginative, the characters are either Sues or have serious problems, and there are plotholes and errors galore. Creeping into someone's room at night to watch them sleep is not sweet and romantic, it is weird and perverted. Does anyone else find it just a wee bit stupid that Bella is supposedly 'plain and unattractive', yet practically every boy in the school is in love with her? If the person you loved just left you, and didn't come back for about four months, would you forgive them just like that when you got back together again? Imprinting is not adorable or lovely, nor is it cute. It is paedophilic that a grown man falls in love with a baby, for crying out loud! Also, if werewolves are supposed to imprint on whoever gives them the best chance to carry on the 'werewolf gene', why did Jacob imprint on his enemy, a half-vampire? (I had mental images of their children - sparkling, tanned, stone-hard children with an appetite for blood, who changed into giant, furry, sparkly wolves? Yeah right.) And the sparkling...? Don't even mention it.
SMeyer has just basically taken the plot of every sloppy love story ever written, added a few ridiculous touches of her own, inserted the main character as herself, and foisted it on the unsuspecting world. It just gives the complete wrong image for teenage girls, that your boyfriend can treat you like scum, throw you into a table, abandon you in the forest, and you still love him? Yay!! Because Edward LOVES me, so the world is a happy place!!

96 Name: scarletfever : 2010-06-10 16:10 ID:EOuR5wAM

I can understand why people read it as a guilty pleasure, because sometimes you do just want to read a bunch of cliches and eat chocolate in the bath (no I don't do this ¬_¬ and if I do it's usually Harry Potter, or I watch Van Helsing). And it must get really frustrating for younger readers to have it dumped on all the time. But what annoys me are the ideas in the book that fangirls jump on, especially older ones. One of my friends announced the other day that Edward watching Bella sleep is romantic, and her MOTHER agreed. Riggggghhht...so it's ok for a guy to break into my house through my window, creep into my room and watch me sleep? And mum would give him the spare key occasionnally? No thanks. Oh, and I grew up with a dad who was addicted to Buffy and classic horror films, so I'm not even going to go into the whole sparkly vampire thing. Anyone seen the old Nosferatu? There was a weird vampire.

Also I got forced into going to see New Moon by some friends who said I'd like Taylor Lautner - which I did, but that was because they paid for me and he has a rather nice torso area and I may have applauded it when he took his shirt off mmmmm - and right at the end, when Edward goes "ooh I'll only bite you if you marry me" people squealed. SQUEALED. And all I could do was ask loudly if "bite me" was some sort of new sexual euphamism, and since when was it ok for two 17 YEAR OLDS (well, one 100 and whatever year old, does nobody else find that incredibly creepy, but that's a whole other topic) to get married?! But apparently I don't understand romance, which is why my idea of a great date is a crappy zombie movie and Chinese takeout.

Eclipse, I'm ashamed to say, looks sort of badass. But nowhere near as badass as Deathly Hallows, anybody else see the trailer? Awesome.

tl;dr I dislike Twilight but I like zombie movies.

97 Name: BlackMage16 : 2010-06-10 17:33 ID:K+lVgHKg

>>95 Apparently the whole high school thing is based on SMeyer's own experiences of moving to a new school. So yeah, Bella is basically a self-insert.

On another note, has anyone else seen the results of the MTV Movie Awards http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_MTV_Movie_Awards.
It's shameful. Of course, New Moon won in every category it was nominated. Go figure. Can anyone explain to me how Kristen Stewart in New Moon can beat Sandra Bullock's performance in Te Blind Side. Hell, everyone else in that category could actually act. Oh and the winner of Global Superstar: Robert Pattinson. How??? Johnny Depp is absolute Legend and he gets beaten by an angsty vampire-twit.

To be honest most of the winners were completely wrong, Best Fight goes to Obsessed beating out Sherlock Holmes, Avatar and Wolverine? Best Villian goes to Tom Felton (Draco Malfoy) beating out the villians in Inglourious and Avatar??

I weep for our generation.

98 Name: RachelCabbit : 2010-06-11 00:14 ID:nDqN0MNT

I can see why people think the watching her sleep thing is romantic. I mean, if my boyfriend watched me sleep then told me when I woke up how beautiful I was, I'd find it incredibly sweet and romantic. That said, if I woke to find a guy I had a crush on in my room watching me sleep, I'd freak out. It would totally eliminate the crush and I would call the police.
The very fact Edward is a vampire watching her sleep is even more worrying - he could easily eat her in her sleep so she should fear for her life when she goes to bed.

Twilight is over-hyped Mormon-porn written by a middle-aged housewife with serious relationship issues. In what way is spousal abuse ok? (Emily is scarred for life by Sam, but because of this "imprinting" thing, is stuck with him. She even loves him, after he nearly killed her in his anger! WTH? - also, Edward always telling Bella how weak she is, how she is silly, how she can;t see Jacob etc - controlling partner =abusive relationship)
And Meyer wants young girls to think this is ok. Not only that it is ok but that it is ROMANTIC and TRUE LOVE?!
Seriously - that woman is corrupting the morally dubious youth even more!
It will lose popularity soon enough - more and more people are becoming anti-twilight simply because of the over-saturation in the market. Eventually these idiots pre-teens/teenagers will find a new fad to attatch themselves to, or will grow up and realise how silly they were to like it. Twi-moms will move on to the next 16 year old actor with a sixpack, and vampires will go back to being cool and evil once again.

99 Name: scarletfever : 2010-06-12 06:55 ID:EOuR5wAM

>>98 Yeah, you summed it up better than me. Also I forgot about that Sam thing - did that really happen? I never read the second book, I just watched the film.

100 Name: moonphase : 2010-06-12 09:31 ID:Q+WSykJx

Yep the Sam situation is true. Sam originally was dating Leah, and it was pretty serious. But then he imprinted on Leahs OWN COUSIN the beautiful Emily. When he dumped Leah and tried to go out with Emily, Emily (quite rightfully) became angry and told him off. He had a 'fur-splosion' and ripped up her face.

HOWEVER, Sam was REAL sorry. In hospital he was, like, totally kind and sweet. So she went out with him. NOw she sits at home baking cookies for him and the boys, he kisses her fucked-up scarred face, and Leah just has to deal with it.

Who says romance is dead?

101 Name: scarletfever : 2010-06-13 10:12 ID:EOuR5wAM

>>100 ...really? Jesus, I totally missed that. All that happened in the film was "yeah, my face is messed up, because Sam got angry" (or something like that, people were putting shirts on so I zoned out again.) Also, that imprinting business really annoys me, can they ignore it or do they have to follow it or what?

102 Name: moonphase : 2010-06-13 11:55 ID:Q+WSykJx

>>101 They have to obey it. If the girl they imprint on (only boys imprint. Women Shifters have to just wait around for the right guy to turn up and imprint on them. And I say 'right guy' ironically, considering the Sam issue) doesn't want to be with them, she doesn't have to be. However, every girl does fall for the guy so that nasty issue is (as all nasty issues in Twi) nicely resolved in a wishy washy manner. In any case, the whole thing smacks of abuse and paedophilia to me...

103 Name: RayRay : 2010-06-13 15:04 ID:fuONPnmz

>>100

The Sam and Emily thing... he didn't get angry at her, he just got angry in general I'm sure... she didn't fuck it up THAT badly. There was a couple of redeemable features in the book. Alice and Jasper for one. They have pasts, interesting pasts. I want the books to be about them, and their stories are the only ones that aren't slightly creepy. Carlisle essentially turned Edward because he was lonely (fair enough, if you've ever spent prolonged periods of time completely isolated you'd understand the need for company after a while - I went mad after 5 days). Rosalie wanted Emmett for herself. But Alice and Jasper were nomads, came from very different places, and found each other.

Their story is nice. I like Alice and Jasper, even if Alice is a little creepy at times.

And to the person who said that Tom Felton shouldn't have won best villain. I think she should have. His performance in that movie was absolutely outstanding, and to be honest, theres far too many mainstream villains nowadays, such as the standard big guys from Avatar. Tom did a wonderful job of portraying the troubled mind of Draco, and he did it with a handful of lines. Completely dominated the movie and he deserved that award. Twilight however. Urgh, it's starting to make me sick, yet I know it's not the books I hate. It's the whole damned franchise. I can't wait until people move on and SMeyer gets brought down to earth with a large bump.

Whoa, rant...

104 Name: RayRay : 2010-06-13 15:05 ID:fuONPnmz

Typo: "I think HE should have." Stupid finger slips :P

105 Name: BlackMage16 : 2010-06-13 16:25 ID:K+lVgHKg

>>103 Hmm, what you say about Tom Felton is true...but I wouldn't really call him a villian. Okay, he joins the Death Eaters and all, but I felt in the last HP film (and that book) that Draco was a troubled teen forced into the role and that he wasn't really a bad guy. He should have been nominated for supporting actor in my opinion.

And to get back to thread topic. Twilight is just a fad soon it will disappear -like last season's fashion and something else will take it place- and people will forget about it (or at least I hope that'll happen).

106 Name: scarletfever : 2010-06-14 10:03 ID:EOuR5wAM

>>103 He actually stood a chance of winning something in Best Villain though. If there was a supporting actor category, it would have gone to whoever was deemed the sidekick in New Moon (which was probably Eddykins, considering he turned up for all of five minutes just to strip.)

107 Name: BlackMage16 : 2010-06-14 15:47 ID:K+lVgHKg

>>106 Eddykins as you say won best actor...tho he really wasn't in New Moon so much. Tayler Lautner won best supporting...

108 Name: Niori : 2010-06-14 17:32 ID:r5S8IWap

Wow, is THAT ever backwards! It should have been Tayler nominated for best actor and Robert supporting (not that I think either should have actually won), since Edward is barely in the film and Jacob is the leading man.

See, this just proves it- the only reason they won is because it's Twilight. They put Edward in as best actor despite his lack of screen time because he's Edward.

109 Name: BlackMage16 : 2010-06-15 10:46 ID:K+lVgHKg

>>107,108 Okay, I made a mistake. They don't even have a best supporting category in the MTV movie awards. Both Taylor and Robert were nominated for best actor. But since Robert pays Edward and this is the Twilight fangirls who probably voted, he won best actor. Kinda sucks for Jacob,doesn't get the girl or the award.

110 Name: moonphase : 2010-06-15 10:48 ID:Q+WSykJx

>>109 It's ok, he gets a newborn baby... -_-

A newborn that shows it's love for it's mother by chewing it way out of her... e_e

111 Name: Echo : 2010-07-03 13:44 ID:JLyTnE3x

It's because once something becomes mainstream.... there's no going back O_______O
Kinda like Justin Bieber, not that good of a singer but he's so popular....

113 Name: Tristana : 2010-07-04 03:07 ID:mrBC6vG/

Moonphase, I love you.^^ (That link made my absolute day.

I don't really get what it's all about - I mean, a bad book is a bad one, same for the movies. However, when I was like 15, anyone speaking ill of Harry Potter - or Lucius Malfoy - would be mauled by yours truly. So I can understand that some fans are obsessed... but their arguments are not even constructed ones - reminds me of that thing I saw yesterday on TV about a group of French girls going to Hamburg to stalk the Tokio Hotel... threatening them and all. I don't like their music but to be fair, I feel kind of sorry for them.

As for the baby chewing its way out of his mother's womb... LOST SOULS RIP OFF!!!! Yeah right, because Poppy Z Brite got the idea first.

Edward wanted to die by going out in the sunlight? I don't remember if it was Lestat or Armand who did it but it was in one of Rice's books.

We don't need no imagination... (I know, not the real lyrics... I'm bad.)

As for JB... hides behind Adrian Hate No way!

114 Name: Echo : 2010-07-04 18:59 ID:5lQCoz2b

Lmao that link was hilarious.

115 Name: moonphase : 2010-07-08 12:48 ID:+VD9rKQX

The 'directors' who gave us 'great' parody films like 'Meet the Spartans' have made one about Twilight. It's called 'Vampires Suck' (original.) I am...uncertain about how I feel... :/

Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2_UL69ehxo

116 Name: moonphase : 2010-07-08 12:52 ID:+VD9rKQX

No...watched the trailer again...I'm probably gonna hate this film as in the trailer they show the best jokes... -_-

117 Name: KatonRyu : 2010-07-08 13:39 ID:vPqZGK6t

>>115 That...was so bad I consider it hilarious. Not gonna see it, but might rent it one day...

118 Name: BlackMage16 : 2010-07-08 13:53 ID:K+lVgHKg

It looks kinda funny, definitely a DVD movie though.

119 Name: Ozuchi Kozuchi : 2010-07-08 15:33 ID:ANCIzo/X

I'll be truthful, I thought the books were okay. They weren't fabulous, but they weren't total piles of dung (well, not large ones anyway). I hate the actress who plays Bella and all the hype about the whole thing though.

I can't even remember Twilight, and I didn't really like New Moon. I thought it was extremely drawn out and boring, and wanted to strangle Miss Meyer for bringing Edward back. I really only liked the werewolves. And dear god, what is with the creepy factor in these stories?! Stalkers and Pedophiles are not romantic!! The whole imprinting thing I'll let slide, because it's supposedly not love in the begining, but Bella needs to find her brain and relize, that being practically hunted by a vampire is not good. If he wants your blood, run! Just go back to Arizona and save us the pain of Twi-hards

...Sorry for my rant. ^^

120 Name: Crystal Volcheck : 2010-07-08 16:38 ID:5grRVCsz

I'm a 'fan' of Twilight, not an obsessed fangirl. Just to state that first.
I think it's really the Vampire Chroncles of the 2000s. Except that Lestat could kick any of the Cullen's asses 10x over and they were well written.
It'll die down...eventually. Like the Justin whatshis face thing. You either love him or hate him, but you know he'll fade out in the end.

121 Name: moonphase : 2010-07-08 17:21 ID:+VD9rKQX

I love the Vampire Chronicles, please, please do not say the Twilight is the modern equivelent. It makes me wanna throw up and weep...

122 Name: Iaculus : 2010-07-08 17:43 ID:jbdz6Xxd

Wonderful post from one of the other forums I frequent:

"Romance novels and chick flicks are total chick bait, because it oversimplifies romance (read: gives a woman's view of romance) where the guy equivalent oversimplifies, well...

Like where's the scene in Twighlight where Edward comes home from a crappy day at work where he got chewed out by his boss for not killing a werewolf, and of course it wasn't even his fault, Henderson didn't come in (again.) Then there's the crap going on in accounting, they have wasted 2 weeks of hist time arguing for him to justify a 500$ purchase of blood which (based on his salary) wasted a good 2k in labor. And he sits there questioning if his life (or unlife) actually adds anything to the world, if the first 2 centuries of his existence have been wasted and all he has to look forward to is a gold watch and a crappy dinner at Chili's. And then he comes home. He wants a beer (or a michelada or whatever the fuck vampire's drink) and just wants to watch the game (bloodbowl!)

And there's Bella. It's not that he doesn't love her, but he's so tired. He's just so tired. And all he wants is to just go into his coffin and go to sleep and not think about his failures. And then she tears into him because he forgot to bring home some human food for her, and it's all he can do to not just walk out that door, but he doesn't, because he loves her, so he just sits there with his eyes on the game. But all she see's is another lazy vampire layabout, and she tells him so. So he leaves the room, and as he looks back through the doorway at her and see's all the anger, all the difficulties in communication, and finally realizes how alone he is and always will be, he decides to walk out that front door into the sunlight and end it all.

But of course then he just glitters.

Where's that scene?"

123 Name: moonphase : 2010-07-09 11:03 ID:+VD9rKQX

http://theoatmeal.com/story/twilight
This website explains what Twilight is all about and it's appeal.

124 Name: Elkkun : 2010-07-09 11:19 ID:VfR2v7kZ

>>123 I love the drawings xDDDD

125 Name: Elkkun : 2010-07-09 11:21 ID:VfR2v7kZ

>>122, THAT. IS SO. AWESOME.

126 Name: athletegirl : 2010-07-11 06:54 ID:pdURUG4k

Exactly what I thought. I think they would've been better if they weren't so OVERATED!!

127 Name: Melissa : 2011-04-02 08:55 ID:1SgaxuTW

What really drives me mad is everyone has now gone for the love triangle crap. Girl dates a boy, boy leaves for the safty of the girl, girl then dates a complete twit, first boy comes back then girl must chose who and normally goes for the first guy.
WHY JAMES PATTERSON? WHY DID YOU COPY TWILIGHT ON THAT CRAP TWIST? WHY? YOU HAVE RUINED THE FAXNESS! WHY??

128 Name: Anonymous : 2011-04-02 22:01 ID:I9q5B49M

A disgusting piece of sh**

129 Name: Katie : 2011-04-27 06:19 ID:Y5jZMgwU

I think everyone's obsession with Twilight is that they hope that they might find a "true" love like Edward and Bella. I'm not really sure why but it definitely seems that everyone wishes they could have a life like Bella and a boyfriend like Edward or Jacob.

130 Name: Elkkun : 2011-04-30 14:02 ID:X1STo1Yi

>>129 y'know, I hope they do find their Edward/Bella.
And I hope they regret it for the rest of their lives.

131 Name: Elkkun : 2011-05-28 03:21 ID:X1STo1Yi

Just to add something else to this thread.

If you find your boyfriend watching you sleep, and calling you beautiful, yeah that's romantic and blush-worthy. If it's your crush, and you actually INVITED them to sleep over, fair enough that's kinda cute, and could start a relationship.

In other words, if you've INVITED them in, it's alright with me, even if they told me they needed to watch somebody asleep to fall asleep themself c: (yeahIdkwhoactuallydoesthatbutitsoundsnice)

However, if they BREAK INTO YOUR HOUSE to watch you sleep. FTSh- I'd scream, which'd wake up my parents, my dad would beat the sh-t outta them, and my mum would phone the police c: I love my family.

I prefered RPatz when he was a hero of Harry Potter :c (he practically died for HP <3, if that isn't heroic and plot-worthy [and soul moving] IDK what is...)

Can you imagine waking up to see a ghost staring at you? XD

132 Name: EdwardIsHellaCute : 2011-07-01 22:27 ID:PiOt4mSW

UH, If You Were A Girl , You Would Understand Why So Many Of Us Obsess Over Him. Ugh , He's So Damn Cute.

133 Name: Anonymous : 2011-07-02 08:04 ID:ysYfeEQK

>>131 Perhaps, then, the appeal is that it's safe? It's like the whole boyfriend-watches-you-sleeping-is-so-romaaaaaantic thing, but just more thrilling and rebellious. Bella knows the eternal gorgeous teenage boy Edward from school and some pretty pointless chitchat, and so knows that he's responsible and well-trained and isn't gonna 'do anything' to her even if she begs him. On her knees. Wearing nothing. So even if she was completely as his mercy, she's still safe?
(DISCLAIMER: Do not believe any of the lessons you get from this book, for Smeyer is a twat. In real life if boy, even a gorgeous teenage one, breaks into your house it is sooo not to watch you sleep.)

134 Name: Elkkun : 2011-07-04 07:49 ID:X1STo1Yi

>>132 cough cough, most of us are girls. unless you're trolling... I can't tell the difference anymorreee DX.

>>133 perhaps it's that yes... Like the audience, she's only ever heard him say that he's dangerous, but never actually SEEN him be dangerous ONCE. Infact, he's been pretty stupid and friendly around her (for most the part). Over here in England, if a guy insults you in a way that's to you etc he fancies you, which is terrible in itself, but you can tell they do it 'cause they like you, rather than the other way around. But anyway, since she's never really been shown he's dangerous, she might know that he won't really do anything too bad to her.
Since she knows that he likes her-- because of the 'signals' he's been giving.

That or we're just attempting to swim deeper down in the kiddy pool- aka, we're thinking too much.

135 Name: Anonymous : 2011-07-06 06:07 ID:jIyRvbXj

>>134 ...if a guy insults you it's because he fancies you... That sounds... fruitful.
You basically got my point though, Smeyer's all about: "Well he COULD pin me to the bed and ravish me senseless, but he's well trained so he's not going to until we're married and ready"
I suppose it is a little psycoanalytical of us, but I think that's why Twilight has such a large but specific audience. People (I won't limit it to women or an age group) seeking a kind of sexual adventure.
(Out of interest, is this site too young for that kind of discussion? =3 If so, please tell me now.)

136 Name: Krazy kitty : 2011-07-08 13:45 ID:Bs0hs7MF

Twilight seems really stupid to me. I kinda feel like jacob black is a rip off of Harry Potters sirius black, First off the last name is still Black and they're both werewolves, honestly.

137 Name: Krazy kitty : 2011-07-08 13:45 ID:Bs0hs7MF

Twilight seems really stupid to me. I kinda feel like jacob black is a rip off of Harry Potters sirius black, First off the last name is still Black and they're both werewolves, honestly.

138 Name: rachelcabbit : 2011-08-26 16:13 ID:Xnkfp5pR

>>136 lol, no, I believe that Sirius Black is an animagi, and takes the form of a big black DOG, not a wolf of any kind, and especially not a werewolf. Though he is friends with a werewolf.

Also, they are otally different ages, take totally different roles in the stories, and have totally different personalities.

So the only way meyer 'rips off' Harry potter is that the two characters share the same surname. Which really, isn't an uncommon surname either.

I hate twilight as much as the next anti, but you need to fight it with true facts not made-up stuff XD

139 Name: moonphase : 2011-08-28 06:02 ID:dEW5reO1

This girl goes into some detail, critically analysing twilight and why fans enjoy such negative characters so much.

I think some of you (if you have the time) may be interested in her 5 peice segment called 'Validation- desire to be dominated' peice. The first part is just a run down of what she'll be saying and is just over a minute, so you can watch that and decide if it is worth watching. But I thought it was interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_63wjtd5YjI&feature=channel_video_title

There is another series of video's by a young girl called Melina Pendulum, she does reviews of books and films and tv series. She goes into why she cannot respect Meyer as an author and reviews Bree Tanner and the Twilight films. Here's one of her reviews (on the Eclipse film)
http://www.youtube.com/user/MelinaPendulum#p/u/103/IJRphHS_d28

http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/recycle-bin/edward-cullen-abusive-boyfriend-eclipse-spoilers/t.26745143/

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