Annoying things ff writers sometimes do... (42)

1 Name: moonphase : 2011-08-15 09:31 ID:zohBZxxT

Sometimes there are certain things that writers do, only in fanfiction, that really annoy me.
I've been trying to read this one story, but the person has written a three way conversation but not made it clear who is speaking, so it's been damn near impossible to read.

Then I gave up complately due to their authors note because it was so precocious. I know a lot of ff writers are young, but my god, some of them write such stupid things that just aren't funny.

It's a pet hate, and I was wondering if anyone else has a pet hate that puts them off reading a fic?

2 Name: Neil Dunsmore : 2011-08-15 10:46 ID:+NjYNiQS

You know something I hate? People giving up on a story because it got no comments.

3 Name: Bitch Goddess : 2011-08-15 14:00 ID:ezkK/UfS

The one thing that really drives me crazy is when a writer puts a story in a fandom that has lots of parts, like a TV series or a book series, and has only seen/read part of it.
For example, I was looking through the 'Criminal Minds' section and a person openly admitted she'd only seen two episodes of the entire show.

The other thing that drives me crazy is when people use their age as a reason for why their writing sucks. I get that writing is one of those things that gets better with age, but it is no reason to write a story you know is bad. At the very least, they should get a beta who can help them develop it better.

4 Name: moonphase : 2011-08-15 16:26 ID:zohBZxxT

>>"The other thing that drives me crazy is when people use their age as a reason for why their writing sucks. "

Oh god I couldn't agree more with that. I think they patronise their own age group when they use that as an excuse. I also hate it when people use the excuse that it's their first time writing in the fandom as a reason for it being rubbish. I can understand them asking people to be aware of their 'newbie-ness' but it isn't an excuse for poor writing.

Damn I'm so moany and bitchy, lol.

5 Name: ManiacalShen : 2011-08-15 17:22 ID:au75Ar8n

Honestly, I think sucky fanfic can be wonderful. I mean, I won't always read it, but how many of you started out writing crappy fic at twelve or thirteen years old? It's best when they're in fandoms with other young people, but still, people are writing! That's good for them! Better than vegging out in front of reality TV, certainly.

Just be nice. "This concept seems really good! However, it's hard to read. Take a look at this guide to formatting narratives. I bet your next chapter will be great if you look at that!"

And then they practice and/or grow up a bit, after which they put out good fic! But don't any of you dare claim you started out as a writing genius. You gotta start somewhere. Even older authors who are terrible at first can later learn the ropes of fanfic.

What's far less excusable is writers who aren't fandom-noobs but neglect their need for a beta reader, or people who don't warn for obviously triggery things, stuff like that. When a fic is otherwise good, silly grammar mistakes or confusing conversations are frustrating. A beta could find that stuff easily.

Also, I recently read a story that took place in 1991. A poor college student had a cell phone and flew on a plane with an e-ticket. THAT sort of thing is goofy.

6 Name: Noc and NC : 2011-08-16 06:41 ID:wOjv20GR

Something I really hate is when people write in summaries "its better than it sounds" because NO. It's never better than it sounds. If someone can't write a summary that properly reflects the contents of their story then their in trouble. I understand that summarizing the entirety of your story in a couple of sentences can be hard sometimes, but I just think its plain stupid to post your story before you've managed to overcome that kind of task.

7 Name: MaryMagdalen : 2011-08-16 07:29 ID:sHoZD14d

Annoying things ff writers do? Oh, where to start?!!

First off, bad grammar, spelling, and punctuation - whether you're young or old, first-time or millionth-time writer, there's really no excuse for it. I mean, I know we all make mistakes - yesterday I spotted a spelling mistake in one of my fics from two years ago. But it's not difficult to use a dictionary, or to find a beta who can take a look and make basic corrections. The odd mistake's forgiveable, but not writing that neither knows nor cares about language.

Second is writers who write narrative in the same language as they would talk: The sky was like dead blue and there was loads of stuff going on and she was like "I wanna go out" and I was like "I wanna stay in"... etc!

Third, writers who write without putting in any description: "She did this and he did that and then they went there and did that and then they went home again. The End." There's nothing to give the reader any idea of what people or places or things look like - I like a writer to paint pictures with words!

Fourth - and this is maybe not so much a writing thing - it really annoys me when writers can't take constructive criticism. Personally I appreciate people taking the time to point out things that I could do better (as long as they're not nasty about it!) because that's one way to learn and improve. I've written 'critical' reviews (nicely, honest!) that have not only been deleted, but I've had emails calling me a bitch and accusing me of stifling creativity, etc.

Fifth, when a writer puts in their summary "this gets better later, honest". OK, but why would I want to bother even starting to read it when you've already told me it's rubbish?

Sixth,writers who think they can put any old crap out there because "it's only fanfiction"

>>4 Damn I'm so moany and bitchy, lol.
Seems you're not the only one! :oD

8 Name: Neil Dunsmore : 2011-08-16 13:52 ID:+NjYNiQS

@7- For the first one, I guess maybe I'm a tad more lenient. To me, at least a few spelling errors if common are okay, but yeah, if the whole thing is flooded with terrible spelling/grammar to the point where you swear the writer was trying to piss you off, then yeah, I agree.

I remember once reading this really poorly-written fanfic called 'Never Give Up, If You Still Wanna Try' and it was loaded to the brim with some of the worst writing I'd ever seen that wasn't intentional and this person's excuse was "English isn't my first language". Well, use spell check then. And when someone called her out on it, she posted an angry response to his comment and not in the comments section or by email but she posted her response as one of the story's chapters as if to get her fans to come to her defense.

9 Name: Neil Dunsmore : 2011-08-16 14:01 ID:+NjYNiQS

Also, I'm embarrassed to admit that I'm sort of guilty of number 3. It's funny, I have no trouble with character descriptions, those are often good and have time put into them, but when it comes to describing locations, I get lazy. I'll usually put in maybe on really minor detail but that's about it.

10 Name: Piccylo : 2011-08-17 06:11 ID:NHnGuNMw

I hate it when they make up a really unrealistic concept of a plot to justify something they wanted to write, like a pseudo-rape-fantasy, or a child, or really anything that's a big deal. I hate this from non-fanfic writers, too (one of the things Kishi does that pisses me off).

I hate it when there's bad science, because that can only go so far. Especially in a Sci-fi fandom, I expect at least modicum of understanding at least how science works for that universe. This usually is a failure in biology, usually when pregnancy or kids are involved.

I hate writers who justify their bad writing at all. Or, worse, writers who refuse to acknowledge that their writing might need work.

Any writer who performs one of the Big Bad Summary Mistakes shoots themselves in the foot. If you can't write a summary in the allowed amount of characters, I see no reason to read your fic, and I'm not the only one who feels that way.

Writers who ship Naruto and Rin. Not because I hate the pairing, but because every single one of these stories have been horrible.

SURPRISEGAY! This pisses me off more often than not. If it's done for humor, it makes me offended because they're making fun of the GLBT half the time. If it's done for drama, it seems cheap. If it's done for sexiness, I end up closing the fic or skipping over it because it still makes itself demeaning or shows a double-standard (and is often not a pairing I clicked the story for).

11 Name: MaryMagdalen : 2011-08-17 07:04 ID:sHoZD14d

>>8 Neil, responding as a story "chapter" is exactly what someone did to me. The worst thing about it is that her fans (all 3 of them!) DID jump to her defense, and at least two of them were people who review my stories and say how much they love my writing! Kinda bummed me out really. :o(

>>9 And the detail thing, yeah, I suppose it's possible to go to either extreme - too much or too little detail.

12 Name: moonphase : 2011-08-17 09:04 ID:iZIJDecG

>>10, what is 'surprise gay'? Is it when a character is suddenkly gay? I've never read a story like that (thank god). I have read a lot of fics where characters suddenly discover they are gay when someone of the same sex comes on to them, which seems a little odd (I know I didn't suddenly realise I was straight when someone of the opposite sex chatted me up.)

Also, what do you mean by unrealistic plots? I'm not being aggresive or bitchy (I know sometimes it reads that way over the internet,) I'm just interested and would like clarification. I fell out of love with Kishi and 'Naruto' a few years ago. The plot got frustrating and I was annoyed with all these characters popping up, oly to dissapear for years, and because almost every female was 2 dimensional and either a pathetic loser, weak or a bully.

13 Name: MaryMagdalen : 2011-08-17 10:09 ID:sHoZD14d

Ooh, I just thought of another one!

Seventh! When fanfic writers take the characters totally out of context and write a fic that is so far removed from the initial premise of the fandom that it doesn't deserve the name "fanfiction". For example: "In 12th Century Scotland Lord Horatio Caine falls in love with Lady Calleigh, but has fight the evil Count Stetler and win her love against all the odds" etc, etc, etc... No crime, no forensics, no CSI, no detecting, no Miami, no nothing, except the characters happen to have the same names. Tosh, bunkum and rubbish! And I don't like it very much either!!

Oh, and
Eighth!! Far-fetched crossovers. OK, I can take two similar shows together, like Law and Order with CSI, or Criminal Minds with... some other crime/procedural show, but crossovers like CSI with Twilight - "Horatio is a vampire..." No. That's just... wrong. In my opinion.

OK. I'm done now.
:o)

14 Name: moonphase : 2011-08-17 13:29 ID:iZIJDecG

>>13 I lol'ed all throughout that post!

15 Name: Neil Dunsmore : 2011-08-17 14:47 ID:+NjYNiQS

>>13- Agreed about that last one. There was just some shows out there that do NOT go well together. That said, though, I have seen the rare occasion when a weird, messed up crossover idea can work.

I once read a fic called "The Ultimate Cruise" in which the Teen Titans meet the Straw Hat Pirates and team up with them in order to return to their world. I was amazed by how well this actually worked. They remained perfectly in-character, Slade being beaten up by Luffy/Smoker at first (Both were separate fights) actually made sense, the interaction between the characters felt really natural (The Straw Hats and Titans slowly accepting the situation didn't feel too forced or anything and they don't technically become friends until later in the story) the fights worked especially well, which is surprising considering the various different fighting styles we're talking about here... it really astounds me how well it worked.

Course, it's also unbelievably long, stretching out to 30 chapters, all of which are around the typical length of a TV show episode (20-30 minutes to read) but it's also masterfully written. The only problem with the fic is one particular moment that could have been fixed had the person seen the Water 7 arc all the way through before writing it, but come on, we're talking about an anime that's been around for 12 years in Japan and so far has over 500 episodes. (I eventually gave up on the anime and stuck with the manga by the end of Water 7 myself) This is definitely forgivable.

The reason I bring it up is because, well, it's one of those examples of a pleasantly surprising fanfic.

16 Name: Piccylo : 2011-08-18 06:04 ID:NHnGuNMw

>>12 Both, honestly, on the surprise-gay. It just comes off as condescending at best to me, a poorly-thought-out plot device or a justification for some sex or angst. Yaoi and yuri are fine, and it's not unheard of for someone to be attracted to a gender they wouldn't normally be attracted to, but the way this appears in fanfics just seems cheap.

On weak plots: I might have not explained that one too well. To use Kishi as an example, I feel that the actual Kyuubi attack was weak plot-wise, especially for all the build-up and importance put on it for the whole story (Naruto's parents decide to both die to give him a message instead of one living to raise him, etc etc). To be fair, he kind of set it up so that the actual event would be incredibly hard to pull off writing well, but still.

17 Name: Piccylo : 2011-08-18 06:10 ID:NHnGuNMw

>>16 Also, Kishi's women aren't well done, I agree, but they tend to be better-rounded when they're older characters (i.e. not teenagers), and many of the younger ones are starting to become more useful/tolerable as they get older. Maybe he just never really talked to women until he got past puberty, if I were to try to explain his skewed, near-misogynistic view.

18 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-08-19 23:23 ID:56YhC5Ln

>>1 - Something along the lines of the three way conversation is when the writer identifies their characters mostly be she and he. I couldn't tell which character was who. I told someone that he needed to fix this problem before he continues writing, but he didn't like to be told that.

Funny thing is, he's the one this time around who approached me for my oppinion on their writing. They wanted me to tell them how to do it, but they had to many things they were doing wrong. So, that's another pet peeve of mine, the writers who want help with the stories, but aren't willing to do the work needed.

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>>2 - I've come across quite a few of these on the net, years old and I wonder... why are you writing in the first place. It tends to be funny because these stories will get these reviews about please continuing.

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>>3 - One of my favorite pairings for Bleach is Toshiro and Karin. Well, I've come across two writers who wrote a fanfic about the pairing JUST because they saw the one episode that they met. They didn't get the characters, or anything else in the show and I called them on it.

As for the age thing, what REALLY gets me are the ones who use their age as an excuse and you find out they aren't even old enough to be on the site. Charming, really.

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>>4 - I see the newbie card, I flat out tell them... all right, that's the best time to break the bad habits.

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>>6 - LOL! When that summary pops up, I know that most of the time it is a lie.

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>>7 - Egads... the guy who approached me to look over his story, which I mention up where I reply to >>1 also had a problem with not describing anything except very basically, and this was a fanfic that only envolved the world, not the canon characters. Good luck with that. That said, you aren't the only one whose recieved negative feedback for trying to give helpful feedback.

And then there is the "this gets better later on". It rarely if ever does. That said, a story is looked at a whole, not with individual parts. And the last excuse... writing is NOT a game.

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>>8 & >>9 - Oh boy. Sometimes author's notes end up helping you, but most of the time they back fire and will get people on your case. As for the description thing, looking at the fanfic you've updated most recently, your description... you shouldn't say your guilty of this when I've seen FAR worse.

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>>10 - I won't say who it is, but you would like the special needs writer I've critiqued recently. She knows her writing isn't great and needs work and loved the fact that I encouraged her to keep working at it and to be herself.

I'm going to say, I dislike sterotype gay roles, which goes with what you said there.

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>>11 - Rabid fans are rabid fans.

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>>13 - I am blunt with them that what they are doing isn't fanfiction, but original work desquised as fanfiction. I also dislike the far-fetched crossovers. That said, I actually did come up with an idea for CSI and Bleach. I get though why people are wary about it, because I normally would stay away from doing such a crossover. It just... perked my interest though.

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I am finding myself sick and tired of people attempting "new generation" fanfics. I am not talking about the ones who use children of canon characters, but the ones that use no canon characters at all. Fanfiction is supposed to be about the characters or the place and writing a story about a place is so not as easy as writing the characters. Most of the people who choose to write these fics, they don't want to have to deal with canon and it seems like they don't want to be stifled by rules. And yeah, this has to do with the person who approached me for my opinion. I flat out told him that he needed to get better at writing before he continues with his idea. He took is as if I was saying it was a bad idea. Joy...

19 Name: moonphase : 2011-08-22 12:19 ID:Ektet0Tp

I've been reading a story that was going so well; it was interesting, romantic, intriguing, funny and different.

Then the author made one of the characters get brutally raped, and used that so that the other character would finally confess their love, and the victim and suitor had 'make up for rape' sex.

Dissapoint.

20 Name: Bola : 2011-08-23 07:47 ID:JJKJE2/+

There's this one 'author' who updated a story in the Nanny McPhee fandom, clearly saying in the summary that it wasn't a fanfiction in any way but original writing she wanted to get comments on... What annoyed me even more was that quite a few people actually commented "Good! Continue!" and all that jazz, instead of telling her that something like FictionPress exists. I did leave not such a nice review...

Anyway, I generally hate it when readers encourage authors when it is not deserved. For instance, I really hate it when 'writers' pull everything into the ridiculity:

http://ashwinder.sycophanthex.com/viewstory.php?sid=12260

Does anyone find that normal and that it gets so many reviews?

I absolutely hate it when 'writers' do something like that or have McGonagall fucked by Nagini and all that ridiculous bullshit... facepalm

Indeed fan-fiction can rarely be entirely canon and in-character, because otherwise it wouldn't be fanfiction, but please, in my opinion you should write characters in-character and let them stay true to themselves. If you cannot bear a character and cannot control yourself, don't write about them. If you really like a character, then why would not leave the character as it is?

Aforementioned are reasons for me to stop reading. There are, however, certain things that already make me stop after line one:

"No good at summaries. Plz read." - If you cannot even get a summary together even if it is a bad one, why should I believe you could actually write a story?

Chatlingo: sum1, b4... Ugh, just ugh.

Bad grammar and spelling, like when the author's note states: "Plz revoiw.xx" Err, no. I won't waste my time on that, or either they'll regret they asked for a review at all.

Bad formatting: When everything is cluttered together or each paragraph consists of one line/sentence, then I cannot even begin to read it, I'm sorry.

21 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-08-26 17:02 ID:56YhC5Ln

>>19 - You reminded be of an Inuyasha fanfic I was reading I think three to four years ago. The story had a nice bit of romance between Kagome and Inuyasha, to the point they decided to get married. Also, Inuyasha was deciding to reconsile with his brother and vice versa.

The reader attracted a lot of reviewers and then they did a major plot twist of making Inuyasha and Koga come out of the closet of being gay and being in love with each other and Sesshomaru pitying Kagome for finding this out. This was like, twenty to thirty chapters into the story mind you, with very subtle context clues that this was going to happen.

I stopped reading that fanfic completly at that point because I had been expecting something else. This was the first slash fic I've ever read. I wanted to say something, but didn't know how to say it without coming across wrong. I think I had been PMing back and forth between the author too, which made the situation aqward.

That said, I am not the only one who stopped reading the fanfic because of this stunt the writer pulled. If I remember correctly, there were quite a few who voiced their upset in the reviews. Some were upfront about the fact that the issue wasn't having a slash pairing in there, it was the fact that there was no warning what so ever.

Now, I get the fact that it had to be secret and all, but they didn't even bother to put a warning at the begining of the chapter and people who were uncomfortable or unfamiliar with the subject (this was the first time I read a slash pairing myself). For mine and Evilhumour's fanfic ST, when the really sensitive scenes came up, since we were writing it with the intention of it being secret, we put warnings at the begining of the chapter.

>>20 - I've seen those kind of rule breaking fanfics. As for the fanfic you pointed out... maybe it has to do with the fanbase of said pairing not being... for the most part, really thinking things through?

22 Name: moonphase : 2011-08-28 05:50 ID:lrN0pjtx

That would annoy me as well. It's hard because on the one hand it's very clever, doing such a twist, especially if there were subtle clues. And sometimes, it ruins a story if you list all the pairings that will happen at the start.

However, I like to read fanfiction and know what the pairings are going to be. I suppose it's because I don't expect (or to a degree want) fanfictions to be original. I want them to give me whatever situation I wanted in canon but never got (i.e. a favourite pairing, or a character I hated punished or killed, or another character I liked kept alive, etc etc.)

23 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-08-28 17:33 ID:56YhC5Ln

>>22 - Myself, I honestly don't mind plot twists either. It honestly felt though, like the author was trying to get more reviews by going the het way and not being upfront with things.

24 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-08-28 17:33 ID:56YhC5Ln

>>22 - Myself, I honestly don't mind plot twists either. It honestly felt though, like the author was trying to get more reviews by going the het way and not being upfront with things.

25 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-08-28 17:34 ID:56YhC5Ln

>>22 - Myself, I honestly don't mind plot twists either. It honestly felt though, like the author was trying to get more reviews by going the het way and not being upfront with things.

26 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-08-28 17:34 ID:56YhC5Ln

>>22 - Myself, I honestly don't mind plot twists either. It honestly felt though, like the author was trying to get more reviews by going the het way and not being upfront with things.

27 Name: moonphase : 2011-09-03 00:52 ID:K6WgEDGg

Recently it seems every other story I read involves characters being raped. What the bitch?

28 Name: Anonymous : 2011-09-03 13:21 ID:mY4qvjw1

Similarly to >>27, when the character is saved from being raped by their love interest. You know the type? Walking home in the dark, takes a shortcut and what do you know, a creepy dude waiting for her. No cops or anything around? No mace to hand? Then her future boyfriend who just happens to be around the same place at one in the morning arrives in time to rescue her.

Is that supposed to be fluff?! That situation has been in a few stories I actually liked the look of. They started so well and then took a drastic fall. What the bitch indeed. =(

29 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-09-05 16:26 ID:fxW06IWE

>>27 & >>28 -

I think that this is on the rise because we're suddenly being hit by the Twilight generation. This is a generation of girls who've been raised on mediocure material. This can be books along the lines of Twilight, or shows that give them an improper sense of the world.

This Twilight generation isn't what I call net savy. They may know chat speak and how to e-mail, but they are blind to the proper ettiqite on the net. They think it is a game and that things won't come back to bite them in the but later on simply because "its just for fun". Because of the storylines they watch are mediocure, in turn, so are their stories.

Because of this, we're going to have a whole lot more badfics to remember, simply because these girls, and some guys too, can't be careful in what they do. Recently...

~ I've had a Stuthor who asked me to tell him how to write, and when I told him that he needed to hold off on writing his idea because it was complex and his writing needed major improvement, he resolved that I was calling him out for Gary Stu/Mary Sue characters WITHOUT me telling him that's what they were, simply by reading the problems I said his work had.
~ I've had a Suethor who is in bad denial that she is copying in her work and not being original. She got upset because people told her she should be old enough to know better. She also got upset when people told her, if she wants to get into college like she says she wants to in her profile, she needs to get her writing up from an elementary school level, to the high school level she's supposed to be at.
~ I've also dealt with a fanfic writer who is romantasizing teacher/school romance, rather then rape fic. The teacher is a character who wouldn't be in a relationship with a student until they were no longer their student, not to mention the tone of the fic treats it as "cool, fun" without any severe reprecussions due to being taboo. The kicker... when I dared her to show the fanfic to her parents to see what they had to say about how she was treating the subject, she said that she basically knew better then any adult including them. Aka... she wouldn't have been able to share said fanfic.

So, one of the annoying things fanfic writers do is be in denial that they have problems with their writing.

30 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-09-05 16:26 ID:fxW06IWE

>>27 & >>28 -

I think that this is on the rise because we're suddenly being hit by the Twilight generation. This is a generation of girls who've been raised on mediocure material. This can be books along the lines of Twilight, or shows that give them an improper sense of the world.

This Twilight generation isn't what I call net savy. They may know chat speak and how to e-mail, but they are blind to the proper ettiqite on the net. They think it is a game and that things won't come back to bite them in the but later on simply because "its just for fun". Because of the storylines they watch are mediocure, in turn, so are their stories.

Because of this, we're going to have a whole lot more badfics to remember, simply because these girls, and some guys too, can't be careful in what they do. Recently...

~ I've had a Stuthor who asked me to tell him how to write, and when I told him that he needed to hold off on writing his idea because it was complex and his writing needed major improvement, he resolved that I was calling him out for Gary Stu/Mary Sue characters WITHOUT me telling him that's what they were, simply by reading the problems I said his work had.
~ I've had a Suethor who is in bad denial that she is copying in her work and not being original. She got upset because people told her she should be old enough to know better. She also got upset when people told her, if she wants to get into college like she says she wants to in her profile, she needs to get her writing up from an elementary school level, to the high school level she's supposed to be at.
~ I've also dealt with a fanfic writer who is romantasizing teacher/school romance, rather then rape fic. The teacher is a character who wouldn't be in a relationship with a student until they were no longer their student, not to mention the tone of the fic treats it as "cool, fun" without any severe reprecussions due to being taboo. The kicker... when I dared her to show the fanfic to her parents to see what they had to say about how she was treating the subject, she said that she basically knew better then any adult including them. Aka... she wouldn't have been able to share said fanfic.

So, one of the annoying things fanfic writers do is be in denial that they have problems with their writing.

31 Name: moonphase : 2011-09-17 02:28 ID:zbOEYiHH

But hasn't there always been mediocre literature? And there is some good stuff out there. I think it's a natural hazard that fanfiction will have some of these types of authors, especially as these types sometimes do get their original works published.

32 Name: fan-to-fiction : 2011-09-18 10:41 ID:R8abWl/d

Well yes. I guess you can say I'm from the Twilight generation, but I don't really think you can generalize the writers. Yes, some new writers have been hit by the Twilight stuff and such with all the Mary Sue characters.

But there are also writers who don't go in that direction and choose the left instead of the right. And then there are those that use a bit of both roads. So it really all depends. What annoys me the most is when writers change gender just because they don't want to write het or yaoi.

Also when they follow the complete plot of the series/books/film without injecting new things or introspectives over the matter. It's just a retelling, and if it's really bad and they do want to make it more 'original' they inject lots of sex and such in it without anything else.

33 Name: Anonymous : 2011-09-19 13:46 ID:lZyRFLlW

>>30, I get where you're coming from. I've given a fair share of reviews trying to help a writer and being shot down by the author who just doesn't want to know about it. I get that if I don't review then the author might never know what they're doing wrong, but several times I've been ripped on and I'm loosing patience with these people. I just won't waste my time reviewing those stories a second time, but they don't care because they're still getting praise in abundance.

>>32 It depends. I read the twilight books and wasn't impressed but that's because I'm old and cranky and read a lot of a large variety. I think that may be the only difference between me and the twilight generation: I read more than they do, and not because I can, but because they won't.
Of course, I could be speaking too soon. I base my judgments off of what I see, so I also know that SOME people are inspired to read (even if it is just young adult fiction) because of books like Twilight. Most of them just watch Vampire Diaries. The actual problem, and what I think fanfiction is mostly used for, is finding something that appeals to them without entering new territory, or finding a new source of inspiration. So they read the same cliché over and over again and then write their own for fun. >>30, So is it fair to say these inexperienced writers limit themselves?

34 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-09-22 22:04 ID:fxW06IWE

>>31 - While there has always been mediocure literature being published, the fanfiction community didn't always have to deal with as many young writers whose parents let the lose to do whatever they want on the net. I'm incountering more and more frequently, certain writers who don't get that the net is part of the real world, and they are going to get hurt. Actually, this is why I think internet bullying can get around so easily. Both sides don't look at being on the net as having any form or real world reprecussions.

>>32 - I don't see a problem with the generalization I used. First off, I didn't sterotype and say that every teenager is the problem, or that all the Twilight fandom is the problem. My generalization comes from an observations I've made looking through the profiles of fanfic writers and noting how they are influenced by Twilight. The ratio of those infuenced to those not influenced by the books, or simular books is in fact growing.

As for your second paragraph, I honestly have no clue what you were trying to say there. Please explain.

I tend to divide retelling into two categories. There is the kind that is well written and happens to be a brand new story. Then there is the kind that slaps characters from one fandom into another, or one OC and it is the exact same plot... and by exact, I mean to the point of plagiarism. In fact, I honestly, honestly believe that person who I said is in denial that they are copying had three fanfics that I reported because they slapped canon characters from one fandom into another. The only reason they haven't lost their account was likely because the admins saw this as a childish, naive form of plagiarism.

>>33 - I too know that there are some young people who are inspired to write seriously because of Twilight. I am honestly not sure if this is a bad thing, or a good thing. I mean, I don't want to make their passion go away. However, Stephanie Meyer is a horrible role model for these girls.

I critiqued one fanfic writer, before I knew how bad of a writer Meyer was. They told me that they weren't as good as Stephanie Meyer and I responded that no writer was perfect. However, if I had known what I know now, I would have flat out told her that her writing WAS better then Stephanie Meyer's, because it certainly was.

So yes, I do think that the inexperienced writers are limiting themselves. Some, like the one above, don't think they can do better. Others limit themselves because they treat it like it is a game and focus on entertainment value only because stuff that makes you think, can't be entertaining. Amoung a whole long list of things.

35 Name: Mazzie : 2011-10-31 04:25 ID:93Fn+H4R

In answer to your question:

I have a lot of pet peeves when it comes to stories. One, no original plot which basically means that the plot of the story has been used so many times it's already considered cliche. Two, wrong grammar. Three, the story seems like it's been written by a child. Four, no direction. The start can be good but it isn't going anywhere. I hate that. Five, the author doesn't seem... mature enough when they write out their thoughts before the story because that basically means that the story is not good at all. Six, they seem likely to discontinue it. Seven, mary sue or gary stu like characters.

I'm pretty sure I have a lot more but I'll leave it at that.

36 Name: CherryBerryB : 2011-11-07 18:06 ID:Qznpt7f7

In the Criminal Minds fandom, FF added a character named "Bosola". He was the unsub (killer) in an episode and so I kind of get why they added him (not that Bosola was a huge character). What I don't understand is why writers use him at all! When I click on their stories, they have nothing to do with Bosola. If anyone here does this, can you please explain? It completely baffles me.

37 Name: Naomi Hansen : 2011-11-08 13:44 ID:CVzAogp+

>>30 When it comes to critiquing these people, I have to agree - they really get on my nerves when they respond by trying to chew me out, saying that they're already good the way they are, or that the fact that I'm critiquing them apparently means that I'm saying that they've got nothing but Mary Sues in their fic. I mean, sore losers, much? They could have the class to be polite about their disagreement with me at the VERY least. At least the people I talk to most of the time, along with myself, know that we're not perfect and should be thankful for any legitimate concrit that we get from our readers.

It's just... Jesus. As my mom says, they need to take a chill pill or two before jumping into the world of fanfiction. =_='

But anyway, what annoys me also is when I find a fic that was obviously unedited before being posted. (I'm a bit of a grammar nazi, sometimes...)

38 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-11-08 20:53 ID:8PWn1vyu

>> 37 - One person recently used the "all my stuff is this way" excuse, and then "everyone else is doing it, and another used the "fiction isn't real" and then "I had a bad life, so I can sugar coat things". The first person had horribly OoC characters, and the other person took a sensitive issue and glossed over it as if it was nothing.

Grammar isn't my strong point, so I have more problems when the errors are obvious to anyone who should be at a seventh to eighth grade writing level.

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40 Name: Noc and NC : 2013-01-03 14:16 ID:iQ+1v7AJ

Hmmm...there are quite a few things that bother me with fellow ff writers... one would be people who ask for reviews in order to continue writing. That's just arrogant. Another would be people who review your story and then go, "by the way, I'd love it if you checked out mine..." because then I feel obligated to review theirs, the problem being I rarely have good things to say about a story they had to egg another author into reading because it was so unpopular in the first place, and end up giving them a bunch of constructive criticism which they simply do not want to hear no matter how kindly I word myself.

My ultimate dislike are stories that simply don't make sense. Stories that ignore the canon laws that have been put down by the original creator. I can't stand it when authors randomly make people of a different sexual orientation, have them start hating someone they liked and love someone they hate and a dozen other inexplicable things, just because 'its dramatic' or 'it's hot'. If you have to write something that goes against canon facts, give us a good reason for this sudden change! Explain why any of these stupid things would happen, because I sure can't.

I also really dislike it when authors include lines like "but what happens when...". It just screams cliche, and 9/10 times its the summary for a mediocre mary-sue fanfiction with an author who hasn't planned things beyond what's written in said summary :/

41 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2013-02-03 21:06 ID:ujb25ZXu

I once wrote in the first chapter of one of my stories that I would not update until I had zero reviews, and then the next I replaced zero with the number of reviews I already had for the first chapter. What was really surprising what that while my normal reviews thought it was funny, it went over some of the other reader's head and they reviewed saying, "you've already gotten so many reviews, so update already."

There is a person who goes around reviewing people's stories and simply says that the story was great, very basic line that he posts to every story he reviews. If a person responds, then he asks them to review his story knowing that people will review out of politeness. He then pesters the people who give him legit criticism with PMs lying about him improving. I used to ask if they really want my reviews, but now I lean towards just giving them the criticism they are in need of without warning them that's the way I review.

A good "what if" story doesn't let the reader know it is a "what if" story in the summary but instead lets the summary drag the reader in and then they explain what they need to in an author's note, being upfront that the story is a "what if" and explaining any needed theories as to why it would work either through an author's note of the first chapter. I think most people thought don't realize that they aren't really writing a "what if" story or they don't know the ins and outs of writing a "what if story".

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