What drive you away? (64)

1 Name: Bitch Goddess : 2010-12-22 10:25 ID:eBX76TEI

When you open up a new fic, what is the first thing that makes you click the back button? Crappy summary? Bad grammar or spelling? Or just plain old childish writing?

Personally, the one thing that always drives me away is improper grammar, especially when I can see that a spell check would have fixed the problem. Along with this, when I can tell the person did not think anything out, they just wrote to put themselves in the story, or something similar. I see this alot in fandoms like Twilight and Harry Potter, but also in alot of very "non-teeny popper" fandoms like Saw, Sherlock Holmes, and Boondock Saints.

2 Name: Piccylo : 2010-12-22 11:24 ID:RbK7YHcr

The biggest thing would be something that keeps me from even clicking in the first place, and that is one of these two lines: "I suck at summaries" or "summary inside". If I could give their stories NEGATIVE hits, I would.

I refuse to read the writing of someone unable to write a couple sentences to introduce their writing to me. Either they're lazy, a bad writer, or both.

3 Name: セーラーエリスは刀の女ですか。 : 2010-12-22 11:55 ID:Zfb5V64x

When I see that the writer tried to make the story presentable enough [on grammar-spelling] then I give it a try [my fandom at least has ppl who do a spell check before uploading]
the thing that really will make me click the back button is the plot:
0. English Dub names, english dub kind of stereotypes

  1. make Haruka a boy, or act like a boy, hate her body, hide her body, OOCness of all kinds
  2. Michiru a straight woman who is married to a man but she sees Haruka and turns gay over night! and a bitch
  3. Haruka, a player, a cheater, a snob and a bitch.
  4. wrong use of the honorific -kun

4 Name: Zell : 2010-12-22 13:35 ID:MlzcT88p

Well, not a lot turns me away, but I am turned away by a lemon. It's often just someone's sexual fantasies involving certain characters. No offense to those who write it, it's just not for me.

5 Name: kiotsukatanna : 2010-12-22 18:59 ID:aoyb0Tpr

Hands down, Character Bashing.

I have found several promising fanfics ruined because the author can't be civil with a character they dislike for the sake of the story and chooses to completely trash and bash said character. They turn other characters OOC with the bashing. Like having Naruto tell Sakura to go screw herself or to go die in a hole somewhere, or in one particular fic I found, letting Sasuke die over and over again (The plot was that Naruto had to repeat the Chunin Exams over and over again until he got it right), while expressing an apathy and dislike for him.

What the heck? Naruto sees Sasuke as a friend, one of the first people to accept him, and Sakura as the girl he cares about. I don't care if the author is fed up with either or both; you don't alter a character's personality and behavior towards another character because you don't like them. It completely ruins a perfectly-good story.

The mark of a true, good fanfic is one well-written and in-character --spell check used and read over for errors before posting!-- with their own childish feelings pushed aside in favor of creating a decent piece of writing.

That is my opinion, at least.

6 Name: kiotsukatanna : 2010-12-22 19:00 ID:aoyb0Tpr

I swear to god, I don't care how many people recommend the fanfic; you pull that crap on me and I stop reading.

7 Name: Anonymous : 2010-12-22 20:22 ID:diG5pRwm

Car drive me away

Bus drive me back

All end well

8 Name: セーラーエリスは刀の女ですか。 : 2010-12-23 00:26 ID:RHOCgZ2E

>>5 I have to agree with you here!!!
character bashing means to me that the writer is not even a fan of the show. It is okay to not like a character, we all have our favs and not so favs, but bashing one to make the other look better is completely out of the question, it is not fanfic it is a hatefic, and has no place in the fandom!

9 Name: kiotsukatanna : 2010-12-23 12:30 ID:aoyb0Tpr

>>7 ...What?

>>8 Precisely! It's so infuriating. It's difficult enough sorting through all the newbie crap-fics trying to find decent works of fiction without having what looks to be oh-so-beautiful and promising, only to find out that the author wants to waste our time showing their hatred for a character. Really, it's supremely irritating and very annoying.

10 Name: セーラーエリスは刀の女ですか。 : 2010-12-23 13:51 ID:R0m/Ds5G

>>9 yeah and makes a bad name for the fandom as well!!

11 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-12-23 20:36 ID:ja9imPIY

I am a critiquer so I read based not on likes or dislikes, so I've read quite a few stories that are just bad. I think one of the things that turns me off though is when the story is so well written and you end up suddenly being blasted with character bashing that you thought that the writers were mature enough to not do. Bad writing though can be fun to read simply to go o.0 or simply to critique the work on a higher itellectual level.

12 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-12-23 20:36 ID:ja9imPIY

I am a critiquer so I read based not on likes or dislikes, so I've read quite a few stories that are just bad. I think one of the things that turns me off though is when the story is so well written and you end up suddenly being blasted with character bashing that you thought that the writers were mature enough to not do. Bad writing though can be fun to read simply to go o.0 or simply to critique the work on a higher itellectual level.

13 Name: jyuuken114 : 2010-12-27 23:30 ID:uhFzqhbz

there are a lot of factors... and i don't need to list them. but i have read many bad fics at times. Plotless smut (or any "i love you" "i love you too fic" lalala fic) and character bashing tops the list.

14 Name: Piccylo : 2010-12-28 08:04 ID:RbK7YHcr

Bashing fics are bad writing, but they belong in the fandom just as well as any "i luv u <insert character> lets kiss". I think it as a category of AU: what if <character1> finally realizes how much of a douche <character2> is? Sasuke is a good example, because he has a big fanbase that annoys the rest of the fanbase and he highwaymans the whole series away from the titular a lot. Thus, there are a lot of fans that would like to slap him (or at least his fans) upside the head. It's bad writing to have Naruto and Sakura wanna go out and brutally murder him (without proper character development--ANYTHING is possible with good character development), but it's not any better to have Sasuke suddenly be a Nice and Caring Guy (and, yes, those fics exist--probably more so) and endeavor to become a Contributing Member of Society.

OOC is pretty bad. Nothing is really good when it's OOC.

15 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-12-28 16:50 ID:ja9imPIY

>>13 - I know what you're saying.

>>14 - I'm going to disagree here. Too many people use AU as an excuse to do whatever they want as it is. Bashing fics and "i luv u" fics have something in common. They turn the characters OoC. Not saying badfic doesn't have its place in fandom, but nothing changes the fact it is bad. Plus, I've read good AUs. Actually, when people bash characters, I wonder how much of a fan they really are.

16 Name: Piccylo : 2010-12-28 17:12 ID:2DA7f3N1

>>15
I think we're agreeing and disagreeing on basically the same things. It's when it goes OOC is it bad, and I've read some good AUs (hell, I can't hate on them as a whole unless I fancy being a hypocrite) over the years. Thing is, though I don't think I can remember a good bashing fic off the top of my head, all those fics had bigger problems than the bashing when it came to the writing. OOC writing annoys me, and the intent behind it or the excuses used to frame it doesn't change that.

I figure it's fairly natural for someone to hate on characters, though. There are people I genuinely hate, so it seems to me any decent writing with genuine characters should produce a few that I can't stand. It's more of a measure of writing that a person can not let that hatred get in the way of their writing, which is where this problem lies.

17 Name: Alie : 2010-12-28 22:46 ID:gtxz1Dh8

I get what you guys are saying I read some fanfictions that are way out there when it comes to characters. I mean I don't mind so much if there is good character development but you just can't have someone wake up one day and say I'm going to competely change my personality.
I love fanfictions but sometimes I wonder if it's worth digging through all of the bad ones to find a good one, but as much as I love to say it isn't once in a while I'll come across one that will competely blow my mind and I'll be gald that whoevers it is can actually write, and those are the ones I comment on.

On character bashing I can understand hinting it but it's ridculus what some people have just because they don't like the character. It makes them look like a bad author no matter how good they may be.

18 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-12-30 02:18 ID:ja9imPIY

>>16 - I can't recollect a good one off the top of my head either, simply because OoC is involved. Same with the luv you ones. I've yet to find ones that aren't OoC, unless the characters were already that way.

I like the literary divice, "story within a story" and decided to use it for one of my fanfic stories. Basically, the concept for this one works like this. Each chapter is two fold. I start off with one of my various OC badfic writers writing a chapter for a fanfic they want. I then have an 'omake' (it was the only think I could think to call it) where the writer responds to a few reviews.

Well, in the fanfic, I happened to also have irate author's notes from said fanfic writers, but I figured people would be able to tell the seperation from my authors notes, and the fictional ones. Not so. I've had TWO people think people were flaming me... when in truth they were enjoying having a laugh at the fic and going o.0 at some of the things I had my OC's write.

So, just like we've wondered where some of the fanfic writers come up with these things, I wonder about one of my reviewers right now...

19 Name: jyuuken114 : 2011-01-06 00:02 ID:YcDa4oDH

About the OOCs and AUs....
I wanted to ask something and didn't think a new thread is necessary and the above discussion seemed appropriate for it.

Would you read a AU fic which is quite well written but the major characters are OOC?

Personally, am annoyed by OOC in fanfics but i have read some good ones which i liked where a major character is turned OOC in an AU with some reasoning for such behaviour. Eg. Memory loss, a critical incident that forces the character to change himself, or the author's interpretation of the characters canon personality being fake, etc..

20 Name: Anonymous : 2011-01-06 01:16 ID:ja9imPIY

>>19 - I am a critiquer, so I'll read anything, but I will tell you that I don't put up with the characters being OoC without a reason, wether it be AU or not. Actually, if there is a reason, they are still IC. Every single thing you list can be concidered IC. I never heard of the "author's interpretation of the characters canon personality being fake"... do you mean the original fandom creator? That could lead to some interesting story. I've just happened to have read to many fanfics where AU is an excuse to turn a character OoC.

  • I read one Bleach fanfic where Hitsugaya Toshiro was a gay gym teacher with a very bubbly personality teaching Rangiku and Momo's cheerleading squad.
  • I read one Bleach fanfic where Hitsugaya acted like a hormal teenager on a teens only cruise. (I think if you know where the idea for said cruise came from, you get kind of an idea of how they act.

21 Name: Anonymous : 2011-01-07 01:04 ID:ja9imPIY

>>21 - So that mask concept? I've never seen that used, but when that happens, only one character should be varied from the norm.

I wasn't either. sigh The worst excuse for OoC though are the ones who when you point it out is that they go and say it is their interpritation and that they are sorry that the person or persons who critiqued them didn't like their character. Yes... the fanfic writers who claim the canon characters as theirs. Talk about egotism.

I personally won't take any excuse for something being IC rather then OoC. I remember one of my fanfics where someone thought that Matsumoto Rangiku was OoC, but I pointed out she simply just snapped from stress and completly regreted it later. I think it didn't help that it was a sensitive issue.

22 Name: Piccylo : 2011-01-07 07:22 ID:RbK7YHcr

>>19

>OOC
>well written

You're asking me if I'd tolerate bad writing if it was good writing? If they're personality has changed due to AU events, and this is done with proper character development, I'd agree with anon and say it would still be IC. In fact, if circumstances have changed drastically, the character being the same would actually be severely OOC: If the mission at Kanabi bridge had been different, there'd be nothing Kakashi's upbringing or personality otherwise that would have made him develop the way he did, so a story where Obito survived and Kakashi acted exactly as he does now could be very OOC.

23 Name: Piccylo : 2011-01-07 07:27 ID:RbK7YHcr

>>23

>they're

THEIR

I think I have a mental inability to proofread BEFORE I post things.

24 Name: Anonymous : 2011-01-07 09:20 ID:YMZIeRom

Well, bad grammar and childish writing is a big turn-off, so definitely. Then if those aspects are missing next it would be a real extreme OOC - like character behaving totally different from his/her canon self, getting some awesome super-powers (ugh, how I hate those stories!), changing gender for no particular reason, etc. And than there are OCs of course. Very few authors can pull it off. Very, very few.

25 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-01-07 17:29 ID:ja9imPIY

>>23 - Actually, the anon there was me. O^O I'm having problems with keeping my stuff, which means I am going to need to repost every single time... >.<

>>25 - I am sporking a Bleach fanfic where Orihime is basically Godmoded and she suddenly does bitch flips on Rukia and Ichigo. Its interesting to read... as bad fic.

26 Name: Piccylo : 2011-01-08 16:06 ID:2DA7f3N1

>>26
We sure are accidentally agreeing a lot in this thread, lol.

27 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-01-09 00:13 ID:ja9imPIY

>>27 - Something I've noticed on the fanBBS is that a lot of people either agree, or like to discuss differences of opinion. The ones that don't tend to not last long.

28 Name: jyuuken114 : 2011-01-09 01:00 ID:EbYUU2hF

Ok so, you guys are basically saying that if in a AU or 'what if?' fic the circumstances around X change to be different from canon, then X should behave differently from the canon.
That is perfectly acceptable and logical depending on the believability and realism of the circumstances.
But what i don't get is how the aforementioned change in behaviour is termed IC and not OOC? I thought any behaviour of a character different from its canon self is termed OOC. Is this definition wrong? If you all are correct, then certainly some of the AU fics i liked won't have OOC anymore. Please clarify.

>>23. I think what i said and asked above reasons out why I asked the question in >>19

>>22 Also, about the 'mask concept' i mentioned.... I have seen it being used many times and only the fic i mentioned used it satisfactorily with very dark themes at times. The concept becomes kinda 'what if?'.
And about only one character being changed from the norm..... If the title character of the canon itself changes then it is bound to influence others.

>>25 The awesome super powers....yeah. I don't mind if the author tries to a bit innovative and gives the protagonist some reasonable powers (emphasis on reasonable) but it draws the line when say someone like Naruto has the powers of a jedi, can use the sharingan, is super cool and has the kyuubi for best friend.

29 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-01-09 02:37 ID:ja9imPIY

>>29 - This article is the best one I've seen on how to tell the difference. What they talk about is still deemed IC, but can be thought of as OoC under normal circumstances. They are right too about that being the original term for OoC, but then people began to start abusing it.

On the 'mask concept', you are right that the changes are going to influence others. I still only concider it to be one character varied from the norm as the other character get 'character development' typically. Not always though.

I am so tiered of Harry Potter becoming even cooler then he is. Why not make a minor character better for once? Why focus on Harry?

30 Name: Stolloss : 2011-01-12 16:57 ID:l4P0hjAn

Illegible (or close) spelling and grammar.

"I suck at summaries, please read" or "I know this chapter sucked, it gets better later!" Mostly because these two reek of "please don't tell me I'm bad!"

And my big one, "I am changing X from canon because it is stupid." Many times, insufficient reason is given. It is changed because they think it should be changed. From my home fandom, pokemon, pokemon trainers leave at the age of ten. They are not held back for any reason beyond a physical or mental disability. There are many possible reasons for that age, but Nintendo never cared to specify which was theirs. People often take this to mean that there is no reason for it beyond marketing.

Now, I don't always immediately click out. If it looks like it could be good, I'll stay around, but my mentality has changed. I am no longer looking for a reason to leave, I am looking for a reason to stay, and there better be one soon. This can be ignored if they have a legitimate, well thought-out reason for changing it, or if it helps the story.

31 Name: Stolloss : 2011-01-12 16:59 ID:l4P0hjAn

^ In the third paragraph, that should be "any reason EXCEPT a physical or mental disability."

32 Name: Smile : 2011-01-13 14:40 ID:ORdrRpgK

>>9: 7 was just pointing out that the post mis-tensed (if that's a word) 'drive' in the title. Or at least I think they were...

I have to agree with the character bashing. It's so immature for a writer to bash a character they don't like, and, good writing or not, I'll stop reading a fic if the author can't control themselves in that regard.

I dislike it when Harry Potter authors decide that they need to change character's names. I know Harry's a horrible name for a child, but you can't just change it to some old English/Welsh name. (Better yet, I HATE it when an author decides to give Harry a Japanese name. That makes no sense. I don't care HOW the author sets it up, Harry will NOT get an epic Japanese name that means Green-Eyes or Beautiful.) You REALLY can't rename Harry and then turn around and change him into a God-forsaken dark lord of powerful evil dark lordness. That's not even OOC. That's OC, and a bad one at that. If Mary-Sue authors get chewed out about Sue-ish-ness, so should Harry/Dashiel/Lord Xander writers.

Which brings up my other pet peeve in fics: when authors change a character to become evil or super powerful. Some characters just aren't bad people. Again, look at Harry. He's got anger issues, yes, but he's not a bad person. He would never torture people with crucios or be okay watching somebody else do it. Furthermore, he's not going to suddenly become so powerful that no one, not even the combined force of Dumbledore, Voldemort, and the entire wizarding world, would be able to defeat him. Some fanfic author pointed out that a story becomes pointless when the protagonist can't be defeated. They're right. Good writers kill their story when they decide to make INSERT CHARACTER all powerful. Superman's a nice idea, yeah, but I know that nothing bad can happen to him. He's too powerful. I already know how the story will end.

Otherwise, I find it really off-putting when the author has a conversation with themselves in the AN. I can tell a LOT about the writer's maturity based on how they handle the author's note, and generally their maturity is a major factor in how I'm going to view the story.

So there's my three(?) things.

33 Name: Smile : 2011-01-13 14:56 ID:ORdrRpgK

Now that I think of it, the other, BIG thing that drives me away is when an author writes in text speak and horrible grammar but claims to be college-educated and a native-speaker of English. That just screams 'troll' or, even better, 'junior high kid trying to write mature fiction'. Both show signs of immaturity and bad writing.

^^, Sorry about that.

34 Name: Vaneskera : 2011-01-13 15:01 ID:ap4bJ6EV

"I suck at summaries, better than it looks"

35 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-01-13 15:59 ID:ja9imPIY

>>31 - I hate people who decide to change things because they think something is stupid or they don't agree with. Or even the people who prefer their version. I am going through this one fanfic for the Bleach fandom and the Suethor went and tossed out things because she liked her things better. Like her version of the school uniforms, or making the school bigger and better. Of course, I am not fond of the Pokemon trainor age range. Actually, I think Nintendo picked up on some of the problems as the latest characters for BW are actually older. Some people honestly though do it because they like what ifs.

>>33 - And character bashing is not to be mistaken for a fanfic writer who is poking fun at a character for the fun of it. One comes from hate, the other from a general love of the character.

I honestly haven't read very many fanfics where the author decides to change the name of the HP characters... well, unless it was a gender bender. You really shouldn't go around renaming someone elses characters.

All powerful characters are only good for one-shots in my opinion and humour crack-fics.

>>34 - Egads... I remember asking one Suethor how old she was and if she was even old enough to be on the site and to get her brother to beta for her if he was older. She flew into a fit telling me she was seventeen and that this wasn't school, to which I flat out told her I found it hard to believe that she was that old.

>>35 - You know what that does. Causes me to sometimes give a harder critique then norm.

36 Name: Anonymous : 2011-01-13 16:06 ID:eiC3PvKf

>>35 Oh, I really hate that one. That tends to be a major turn off for me before I even read the story. After seeing that in a summary, I really lose most any desire to read it, whatever the plot might be. Occasionally, I might give such stories a shot if I'm in the mood, but most of the time it instantly puts me off.

37 Name: kiotsukatanna : 2011-01-13 16:28 ID:eiC3PvKf

>>37 Oh, that was me. Hadn't realized I'd been logged out. ^.^; My apologies.

38 Name: Smile : 2011-01-13 21:06 ID:ORdrRpgK

>>36 Oh my God, I've dealt with authors like that. I ask them, "are you really a native speaker/a legal adult?" and they start telling me that they're such-and-such old or that they've been in school speaking English for their entire life. It's really frustrating, and there's so many of the thirteen-year-old text speakers out there with little to no understanding of grammar in the English language. I really worry about the American school system when I get "I'm a college student in America and I've gone to school here all my life" and the author's writing skills consist of "i waz goen to the scool with my friend they was wearin", etc.

Most of the "let's change Harry's name!" fics are in the slash community. Authors that like to pair Harry with Snape, Voldemort, or Draco will change Harry's name every once in a while to something more 'pureblood'. Add in the fact that Harry's suddenly heir to the Slytherin and Ravenclaw (never Gryffindoor, God forbid he be decended from the wack-job that founded his house), and you've got a Stu that looks awkwardly like Harry. Most het fics don't do name changes, though. I love slash, but one can tell the age group that writes a lot of it.

Really, the only time I think that it's okay to rename characters is... well, never. Unless it's Harry's kids (Lily Luna, James Sirius, Albus Severus). In that case, have at it. Rowling totally fell short right there and I begrudge no one that decides to fix her mistake.

Most of the writers I read just bash because they don't like a character. Another Harry Potter example: Ron and Hermione. Authors get really immature about bashing those two, and there's little to no reason to support it.

39 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-01-14 02:30 ID:ja9imPIY

>>39 - I know what you mean on falling short on the names. Rose Weasly? A little girl with likely red hair and you're going to name her rose. I did like Albus Severus's name... it made sense to name one child after two greats, but the others showed parents not having any imagination.

40 Name: Coline7373 : 2011-01-20 10:55 ID:q2o7O0yZ

Hear, hear!

Rowling's last chapter was horrible are the children's name sound like a morbid orbituary. She has nwe names for single characters in the book and couldn't be bothers to got some to those poor kids?

Whatever. What makes me leave a fic in five second flat is bad grammar (I'm french, so when I notice, it's that there is serious problem) or really long drescriptive start. When it's just the beginning and you have lines and lines on the panorama without a single conversation in sight... Discourage me completly.

Naming a character with a japanese name or old english/weird sounding name for no reason whatsoever.

Bad fic. Fic you see immediatly are going to be horrible. EX: the characters are on a ship and they say:
"I think I saw the coast. "
"Did you saw the coast?"
"Hey, look! It look like the coast!"
"Capitain, we should be near the coast."
"Here's the coast!"
"What do we do once we're on the coast."
That was one pointless conversation.

41 Name: Smile : 2011-01-20 17:58 ID:ORdrRpgK

>>40 >>41: Her names are so bad I've almost stopped reading well-written fics that use the canon names. Reneesme (sp?) from Twilight is pretty bad, but I expected a lot more from Rowling. Fleur, Hermione, and Minerva are all great female names. She could've done so much better...

>>41God, published authors do that. It's fine in the middle of the story or when it, here's a novel idea, matters, but a two page description of the sky, ground, and earth is not the introduction I want. Especially if I just paid a good twenty dollars for a published book. :P

Names should be kept as given in canon (with the listed exceptions). I agree that it's a terrible turnoff when an author starts naming nurses/teachers/etc. in America or England after a Japanese manga/anime character they love. While I do concur that it is possible for a Japanese person to have moved to both places, I stand by the fact that it's a little too convenient. Especially, and here's the big one, if this OC starts to teach the canon character of America or England the awesome ninja techniques like those in Naruto. Please, just spare me.

42 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-01-20 20:54 ID:ja9imPIY

>>41 & >>42 - I am going through the old Bleach fanfics and do you know how many are like, blah, blah... blah, blah... blah, blah, blah? Too many. People talk about ninty percent of fanfiction not being high quality. I've discovered it isn't necisarily because fanfic writers happen to bad writers, they just go nowhere in their writing. :<

43 Name: Smile : 2011-01-22 14:00 ID:ORdrRpgK

>>43 A lot of good writers just lack the ability to stay focused. It's almost like there's this itch to form sub-plots of no importance. It gets really bad when they start repeating themselves. There's some theme/plot tool that needs to be explained in detail, yes, but it's always off-putting when the author manages to repeat his or her explanation again and again and again. 'Blah, blah,' as you said.

44 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-01-22 22:50 ID:ja9imPIY

>>44 - It's not an issue of repeating themselves, it is an issue of them saying nothing important at all. And sometimes, this nothing at all does get repeated.

45 Name: MaryMagdalen : 2011-01-26 09:15 ID:k0rRLhaP

First turn off: When a summary says, "I'm really bad at writing summaries." If you can't even write two lines about your story, I don't hold out much hope for the story!
Second turn off: When the author says, "This is a fabulous idea for a story" or "This is an amazing story." Isn't that for the reader to decide, not the author?
Third turn off: Bad (or, in some cases, total lack of) grammar, punctuation, spelling, and / or command of the English language.
Fourth turn off: Authors who ask for good / nice / complimentary reviews only. So, what...? You don't want to improve your writing? You're just here to have your ego stroked? Listen, if you want my opinion, you're going to get it, whether it's good or bad. That's what a "review" is - a reader's personal opinion.
Fifth turn off: When the story is all about Carly, who has blond hair, blue eyes, and a cat called Fluffy, and is a teen genius who knows more about everything than everybody else. And guess what? The author is a teen with blond hair, blue eyes, and a cat called Fluffy. (And there the similarity usual ends, because said author actually knows nothing beyond "me, me, me, me, me"!
I'm sure there are other turn offs, but I don't want you to get the idea that I'm too picky!! :o)

46 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-01-26 12:47 ID:ja9imPIY

>>46 -

I know what you mean about the summary thing. As a critiquer, that is typically a sure sign that someone needs a LOT of help with their story. It is also a turn off when they try bragging about the story. What that does more then attract critiquers is to attract flamers.

Grammer is always a turn off and you know what is even worse, the people who try to make excuses. It is one thing, when they ask for you to be patient with them as they are trying, but the ones who whine about how this is not school just need to grow up.

Lol on the forth. Do you know how many people on fanfiction.net who've only wanted gushing reviews that I've told that is against the rules? To tell someone to shut the hell up about telling you the truth is cenorship and gets critiquers on your ass about it, not to mention attracts flamers.

One of the fanfic writers I sporked on LJ happens to have every single fanfic a self-insert. Like... really bad, over twenty fanfics between two accounts. These to me are just plain scary and the fanfic writer I specifically am talking about didn't like being told off for it.

47 Name: MaryMagdalen : 2011-01-27 14:05 ID:k0rRLhaP

>>47 Thanks, Yemi - glad it's not just me!! I actually had a review deleted just last week because I had the audacity to suggest that the writer ought to consider breaking up sentences and using punctuation now and then. The writer then made chapter two of the "story" a rant against "people like that" (i.e. me!) who were only on the site to stifle peoples' creativity! I wouldn't mind, but the other reviewers then sided with the writer without even reading what I'd said (cos it had been deleted)!! :o(

48 Name: Smile : 2011-01-27 14:36 ID:ORdrRpgK

>>48: (Sorry for the semi-eavesdropping) That's an incredibly immature writer. Me thinks they're a bit below the 15+ range... Anyhow, you can report them for the rant chapter. That's against the rules (I'm pretty sure, check me on this) and the author can get his or her story taken down for the breach of rules.

In your credit, you were reviewing as one should: with suggested improvements. Creativity has, to some authors, started to mean 'different interpretations of the English language'. If you're stifling that, kudos. English is hard enough to understand as it is. God knows we don't need new tenses added to our verbs...

49 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-01-30 15:16 ID:ja9imPIY

>>48 - As >>49. I would report her authors rant. Particularly if it is just an authors note. Actually, if she doesn't use punctuation, then the fic is concidered hot-off-the-press and is reportable for just that.

>>49 - I dislike the fact that people try to brush off creativity as doing whatever and they tend to get chewed out when they try that. There are good ways to use your creativity and bad.

50 Name: bunch1 : 2011-01-31 20:35 ID:q874u2JJ

The one thing I really hate is massive block chapters, especialy when they have dialouge because then it gets confuseing.

Another is when chapters just go on forever, if a chapter gets over 5 or 6,000 words is has to be damed good for me to read it. I know many stories that have long chapters and thats fine, but it always gives me pause because I know its gonna take a long time to get through one chapter. The thing is there is always a break in these chapters where it could be endded, which would make the chapters shorter and probably incress the rate at which new chapters are added.

A few lesser ones are when a story has choppy sentences. New facts are just stated, not comeing up in the story but just thrown in. OOC goes without saying as does any summery that dosent give me some idea as to the plot.

51 Name: Red : 2011-02-01 09:43 ID:fX8KZST2

When, Sentences are like This. or This! Or...this...moody Er mebbe dis~yo!

Finding random Japanese words sprinkled throughout when an English word for the same thing exists. It's distracting and breaks up the flow of the story. Now I'm not talking about the occasional "kimono" or "yukata", I'm talking about neko, inu, mimi, desu, and the various words and phrases for "Hello", "Goodbye", "Can I come in?" etc. Also, insisting on using things like -san, -sama, and the others throughout the story without doing any research on how they're properly used. A twenty-something guy should not call his older brother "neechan" unless it's an inside joke, and even THAT is pretty ridiculous.

Fanfics that take a gimmick (including but not limited to "Chapters are in random order!") and run with it are generally bad too, though I have stumbled across a couple good ones.

Also, things like this in the summary:
"Character A is a ___ in (insert alternate setting here). Character B is a ___. How will they overcome their differences and find true love?!"

Now who here can honestly say they haven't seen that a thousand times, almost word for word? That type of summary won't even get a click from me...it's especially bad when the two characters in question won't have anything to do with each other or outright LOATHE each other in canon, and most of the time the characters are themselves in name only! You're mistaking passionate (meaning strong feelings of any sort) with ~passionate~ (~lovelove~). I hate to break it to you, but hate is not the same as love; wanting to rip someone's head off is not at all like wanting to have their babies. If you think it is, I hold little hope for your future love life and happiness.

Unless you're a praying mantis, of course.

52 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-02-03 04:06 ID:ja9imPIY

>>51 -

Egads, if it isn't block chapters, it is block paragraphs. Of course, I wrote a badfic on purpuse where the writer wrote rather large paragraphs, but it was supposed to be an identifying trait for said author, not something I would actually condone as good writing.

Also, I dislike it when fanfic writers think they need to write chapters that are really long. Some like to make them ten thousand, to which I have to ask what they are trying to do. Actually, national novel writing month recognizes a novel as being fifty thousand words, so you only get five chapters if you write like that, even less. that is rediculace.

>>52 -

I don't mind if the common phrases for hello and goodbye are used, but there needs to be a reason. For example, if the character you are writing is... oh, well, the main female from Maid-sama, it fits the setting to have her say konichika (I appologize if it is spelled wrong) for when she is working at the maid cafe, but all other times I would have her use the English words. It helps set the setting, the tone, the characterization.

Ahh... I have a fanfic that the chapters are sort of in a random order, but then it is comprised of multiple stories and the chapters are in order for each story. (I am doing a story within a story where I created OC fanfic writers and they're writing badfic for Bleach.) I've never really seen what your going to do here.

You mean for example

  • Hermione Granger is a tomboy at her high school. Draco Malfoy is a new student who is the cool type. How will they ever find true love?!
  • Hitsugaya Toshiro is a werewolf in the deserts of Afric. Hinamori Momo is a witch that is charge of hunting monsters. How will they ever find true love?!

Actually, I beware any story that mentions this tru luv that desquises itself as true love. And yes... I've seen it over done and the fanfic writers don't like being told that.

Over in Bleach, I run into problems with the Toshiro/Momo fans who think that because he protects her, he is passionatly in love with her. Good grief... the theme of Bleach is protecting that which you care for and it isn't excluded to your romantic interest. Tons of clues point that they are just siblings relationship wise.

And then there is Draco/Hermione. It is one of my favorite ships, bur seriously... Hermione!pureblood is over done and most of them disgust me simply because they take one of my favorite characters and strip away her strong points of being book smart and liking herself for who she is.

53 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-02-03 04:07 ID:ja9imPIY

>>51 -

Egads, if it isn't block chapters, it is block paragraphs. Of course, I wrote a badfic on purpuse where the writer wrote rather large paragraphs, but it was supposed to be an identifying trait for said author, not something I would actually condone as good writing.

Also, I dislike it when fanfic writers think they need to write chapters that are really long. Some like to make them ten thousand, to which I have to ask what they are trying to do. Actually, national novel writing month recognizes a novel as being fifty thousand words, so you only get five chapters if you write like that, even less. that is rediculace.

>>52 -

I don't mind if the common phrases for hello and goodbye are used, but there needs to be a reason. For example, if the character you are writing is... oh, well, the main female from Maid-sama, it fits the setting to have her say konichika (I appologize if it is spelled wrong) for when she is working at the maid cafe, but all other times I would have her use the English words. It helps set the setting, the tone, the characterization.

Ahh... I have a fanfic that the chapters are sort of in a random order, but then it is comprised of multiple stories and the chapters are in order for each story. (I am doing a story within a story where I created OC fanfic writers and they're writing badfic for Bleach.) I've never really seen what your going to do here.

You mean for example

  • Hermione Granger is a tomboy at her high school. Draco Malfoy is a new student who is the cool type. How will they ever find true love?!
  • Hitsugaya Toshiro is a werewolf in the deserts of Afric. Hinamori Momo is a witch that is charge of hunting monsters. How will they ever find true love?!

Actually, I beware any story that mentions this tru luv that desquises itself as true love. And yes... I've seen it over done and the fanfic writers don't like being told that.

Over in Bleach, I run into problems with the Toshiro/Momo fans who think that because he protects her, he is passionatly in love with her. Good grief... the theme of Bleach is protecting that which you care for and it isn't excluded to your romantic interest. Tons of clues point that they are just siblings relationship wise.

And then there is Draco/Hermione. It is one of my favorite ships, bur seriously... Hermione!pureblood is over done and most of them disgust me simply because they take one of my favorite characters and strip away her strong points of being book smart and liking herself for who she is.

54 Name: Red : 2011-02-04 07:50 ID:fX8KZST2

Yemi Hikari:

Phrases and etc.: Yeah, I don't have a problem with that sort of thing when it's an important part of a character's personality or the setting. What I'm talking about is sprinkling Japanese phrases into random dialogue and even in descriptions within the story itself. "Hitomi saw a neko and a inu sitting in the alley, and wanted to touch their mimi" is the sort of thing I'm talking about. The frequency I see it seems to be toning down from five years ago unless maybe I'm just reading the wrong fics...or the right ones, depending on your point of view.

The random order thing: It was fairly common in the Haruhi section at FFN after the anime came out. This sort of thing is incredibly hard to pull off, but it can be done as the anime Baccano! shows. I've seen maybe two fanfics out of several dozen like that which I've read that managed to do it well. The rest...not so much.

Twu Wuv: Exactly like that!

55 Name: セーラーエリスは刀の女ですか。 : 2011-02-04 09:58 ID:vEc+AR9j

>>55 WOW are there ppl who say such things???
I'm writing with Japanese in my fanfics and honorifics, because I want my fav character to be as Japanese as possible and in a Japanese environment as well, but the neco/inu/whatever randomly into sentences it's over the top. First rule when you use Japanese is to know what you are talking about, second rule is to use Japanese ONLY in dialogues, except if its terminology (kimono, tatami, futon, etc) which is also MUST be explained in the Author Notes.
I personally am taking Japanese lessons, watching Japanese shows( with everyday speech) and having convos with Japanese(+research) also I mostly use honorific language because it gives an idea of the real interactions between Japanese which is completely different from west. Also I have them saying things like "itadakimasu" before eating and such same way I say that they remove their shoes when they enter a house etc.

56 Name: Red : 2011-02-04 11:19 ID:fX8KZST2

Yep, there really are people who do this ridiculous thing in their fics. It seems to be dying out in recent years, but back when I first started visiting FFN it was pretty bad.

I definitely agree about the way you're using honorifics...it's amazing what can be accomplished with this. As for the rest, your way also sounds similar to what I prefer to do, though I tend to avoid itadakimasu and the others unless it's part of a joke or is necessary for the scene. I mostly treat those little details as things that are too common to mention.

57 Name: セーラーエリスは刀の女ですか。 : 2011-02-04 12:00 ID:vEc+AR9j

>>57 It's about the top you are writing for example in my latest one shot which was also "first person" fic the characters exchanges like three lines between them so if would be out of place to have one of them saying "ojamashimasu" when they enter the house of the other so I simply put that detail as a part of the observation of the other character who was "telling" the story and phrased it like that: "She apologized for intruding my private space, as she was commonly expected too..."
I personally like to put simple cultural details in my stories which a lot of time explain behaviors ;)
and since my readers like it I keep it that way ;) though I always explain everything on the author notes ;)

58 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-02-04 22:39 ID:ja9imPIY

>>55 - I think part of the reason that it is toning down is because there was a major outcry against that kind of fangirlism. It wasn't like being a rabid shipper of a certain pairing and being a bad example of a minority group in the fanfiction community, but it had to do with actually a majority group that time around, so when ever it crops up a LOT of people get on the persons case.

Ahh, yes. I read and critiqued crossover with Haruhi and they tried saying that the number of things occuring in their fic was no different then the number of random things that happened in Haruhi and I was like. No. Changing the subject and what is going on every sentence is like Haruhi changing subject every thirty seconds to a minute, which I in fact do know that the show does not do.

>>56 - A lot of the termonollogy I use happens to be well known in the Bleach fandom. I have never bothered explaining family terms as I use context clues, but there have been a few times I bothered to explain one of the lesser known terms when it wasn't obvius.

>>58 - That is a good way of doing it, particularly since a good deal of people don't understand that concept and then would have to go back and reread the fanfic to understand the scene. Actually, I wonder how many people really understand when that is used in Anime?

59 Name: セーラーエリスは刀の女ですか。 : 2011-02-05 01:15 ID:vEc+AR9j

>>58 well terminology that is used in the anime (senshi for example) I wont bother explaining, because if you don't know that you don't know the fandom nearly enough to understand the characters either. (or worst you were exposed to the eng Dub which is the absolute disaster)
I personally I'm fed up with stories that are placed in Japan but the charas never ever act as Japanese! Even saying the name of the character differently than the Japanese way (last name it has to be said first) then in the middle of the story you have another to scold the character for being in fist name bases, or having gays married in Japan (do a research dammit, there are other ways to be "married" in Japan other than the classical way. If your partner's parent adopt you, you become "siblings in Law" which Japanese see as equal as marriage) (yes an adult can adopt another adult in Japan). Having a traditional Japanese act like a westerner she the OOCness that I dislike the most.

60 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-02-05 04:03 ID:ja9imPIY

>>60 - I had planned on commenting on something, but what you said deals with that. Something that turns me away, particularly since I am a critiquer first and foremost when it comes to my reviews is someone who makes excuses, or even complains because someone tore apart their darling fanfic.

Actually, I had someone who got miffed at me and brushed off my review because I had nothing nice to say and they didn't think my words meant anything and simply were trying to insult them. They said, hey... I'm open to critique, I don't like flaming. And then they said that they didn't want their fic torn apart. That just reeks of not knowing what critique is.

I've called people on things like the Japanese school system. I don't so much call them on name order as I blame that on dubbing, but I do call them on other things. Some people honestly didn't know and while they don't or can't always change their fics, they do plan on using that for future fanfics. I actually got one fanfic writer researching a lot more after that and I talked to them later and they were excited about how much they learned.

What really grates me are the people who are like, so what, you shouldn't have pointed that out in the first place as it wasn't that big of a deal. However, the thing is, that is just plain stupid. Actually, that is the excuse some of those people who break rules on the site. It isn't a big deal, but other people care and it is rude to brush it off as meaningless.

Actually, I had this one girl who happened to give her character an English first name, despite the fact that it was obvious she was born in Japan and that she was of Japanese heritage. Goodness... she had a Japanese last name. Of course, every single thing this girl writes is a self insert. She eventually deleted her fanfic and she thinks she's sticking it to me by basically saying that there must be some person in Japan with an English first name. She forgot what I told her the last time... those that do have the varience in name, there IS a reason for it. If you can't come up with a reason, your just being lazy.

Too bad she's eighteen now. Her mom... I seriously feel her mother deserves a parenting award for pulling her daughter off the net when she found out about her self-inserts. I mean... they were really bad. She put in a LOT of detail about herself in there.

61 Name: セーラーエリスは刀の女ですか。 : 2011-02-05 06:16 ID:1WgG8FZ0

>>61 that's really annoying, seriously some people need to get off that cloud and face reality! When I PMed a writer about them basing a plot on -kun honorific they got offended.

man ppl who identify themselves as the characters are the worst writers. It is okay to put the characters in a situation that happened to you, but writing as if the character was you is really stupid and OOC. And they write that way because her friend told her that she looks like haruka and her girlfriend like michiru. (being a butch lesbian from american and having blond her and blue/green eyes doesn't make you Haruka)
it is like the cosplayers...
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lctmjhh8Ec1qcw6ejo1_400.jpg
This cosplay here is THE BEST EVER not only the because of the costumes but because they are Asian's doing it(If I see an Asian doing Lara Croft without putting up the right make up for her eyes to look westerner then I get the same long face as I get when I see the follow cosplayers: )
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/mercuryrose/zentran12.jpg
http://th08.deviantart.net/fs70/300W/i/2010/075/8/0/Sailor_Uranus_y_Neptune_by_VegetaMar.jpg
http://www.acparadise.com/cosplayers/14272/14272-31040-2.jpg
http://www.deviantart.com/download/81491578/Sailor_Uranus_and_Neptune_by_SailorUsagiChan.jpg
http://www.acparadise.com/cosplayers/14273/14273-35072-fedc1c02505c1330544af28c1abe2528.jpg

62 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-02-06 15:17 ID:ja9imPIY

>>62 - Which is why I leave any and all advice in a PM. If they choose to lash out and complain about a given fact, then they are the ones who look like an idiot.

I don't recollect mentioning that in my last post, but people who force situations onto characters that don't fit have always annoyed me. This one fanfic writer... actually, quite a few, told me they wouldn't have the same story unless they made the characters OoC. I flat out told them they failed and needed to go find two characters that this senario did fit, even if it was from a different fandom. That whole thing wiht Haruka and Michiru and that two girls is rather disturbing.

I've seen a few non-asians who cosplay well, but then as my brother said... he's interested in doing it, it isn't about picking your favorite character, it is finding the ideal character in which you would fit the role of looks and that you can also act the part. He has acting skills, so he could pull off quite a few, and he doesn't want the ones that are exactly his personality. We've discussed quite a few times which would be the best for him to do. Then again, he's also an amature actor who does acting for fun and sees cosplay as a way to practice. That includes the makeup. I want to do it too really, though for me it will take a whole lot more practice. But that being said, we both know there are certain characters we would never do, due to having different builds and so forth.

I was specifically talking I remember about a girl who self inserted her self into every single fandom. All her characters had red hair, bi colored eyes and a star shaped birthmark, which I later found out was details of her own self. This is also how I was able to figure out her age, as her stories progressed, so did her characters ages in a likewise fashion. That is NOT what fanfiction is about, at least the stuff you post on the net, and posting that kind of stuff on the internet can prove to be dangerous.

63 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-02-06 15:18 ID:ja9imPIY

>>62 - Which is why I leave any and all advice in a PM. If they choose to lash out and complain about a given fact, then they are the ones who look like an idiot.

I don't recollect mentioning that in my last post, but people who force situations onto characters that don't fit have always annoyed me. This one fanfic writer... actually, quite a few, told me they wouldn't have the same story unless they made the characters OoC. I flat out told them they failed and needed to go find two characters that this senario did fit, even if it was from a different fandom. That whole thing wiht Haruka and Michiru and that two girls is rather disturbing.

I've seen a few non-asians who cosplay well, but then as my brother said... he's interested in doing it, it isn't about picking your favorite character, it is finding the ideal character in which you would fit the role of looks and that you can also act the part. He has acting skills, so he could pull off quite a few, and he doesn't want the ones that are exactly his personality. We've discussed quite a few times which would be the best for him to do. Then again, he's also an amature actor who does acting for fun and sees cosplay as a way to practice. That includes the makeup. I want to do it too really, though for me it will take a whole lot more practice. But that being said, we both know there are certain characters we would never do, due to having different builds and so forth.

I was specifically talking I remember about a girl who self inserted her self into every single fandom. All her characters had red hair, bi colored eyes and a star shaped birthmark, which I later found out was details of her own self. This is also how I was able to figure out her age, as her stories progressed, so did her characters ages in a likewise fashion. That is NOT what fanfiction is about, at least the stuff you post on the net, and posting that kind of stuff on the internet can prove to be dangerous.

64 Name: セーラーエリスは刀の女ですか。 : 2011-02-07 03:44 ID:1WgG8FZ0

>>64 those who just go and write about themselves are annoying and have no place in Fanfiction, go and write an original story dammit why bother putting yourself into a story as your fav character? make an OC if you want it will be more acceptable but changing a character into an OOC just to fit your personality really gets on my nerves.
I wrote an one shot once and included myself in the story as a person who met the characters. Though it was a nonsense parody and made only for fun.

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