Critics United (105)

1 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-09-26 16:16 ID:7bdWdvkk

How many of you are tired of getting those "omg diz is so Kaw@11" reviews? What about those "update soon please" reviews? I'm so sick of them. Recently I put in my a/n of a story on FF. Net that I was leaving for the military next week and people are still like "omg can't what for the update!". I' like can you read? That is besides the point. Critics United is a band of people who know how to give a real and honest review that are coming together from different fandoms in order to help authors who want to know what to work on. We love assisting people who would like an honest opinion of their story and not only that, we are accepting members. We need people who are always honest in their reviews even if what they have to say about the story isn't positive. We we never tell you "you suck go die" of course, but some are a little harsher than others. We have a variety of review styles and we just enjoy helping people. Visit my forums on FF. Net (my name is DarkSacredJewelXoX, just search for me in the search engine) if you just want to talk, want someone to review your story, need a beta, or are interested in joining. We're growing by the day xD. My question to you all is: how do you review stories? Do you just say the positives and leave out anything you think might offend the author? Do you give praise when it's deserved and criticism where needed?

Another question: when you find a fic on FF. Net that's breaking the rules, do you report it? Critics United does; however, we review the story to offer advice on how to fix it first and let the author know what rules they are breaking. Sometimes the authors admit their mistakes and change them; other times they author lashes out. When that happens, we do report the story.

2 Name: Marth : 2010-09-26 18:44 ID:iHjo5muo

As a critic, how do you feel about walls of text?

3 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-09-26 19:10 ID:7bdWdvkk

Walls of text make me want to tear my eyes out. Even in books, the author usually double spaces when someone new speaks or the if the situation/what was being talked about changes a bit. There isn't a reason for it and it's harder to read like that anyway.

4 Name: guest101 : 2010-09-26 21:05 ID:p5rHl/Eu

>>3 In that case, you might want to go back and look at your first post (if you don't tear your eyes out first that is).

5 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-09-26 21:27 ID:ZSjiY4pz

>>3 - I've seen old classics with walls of text that have driven my entire class nuts...

Anyways... good luck on the military thing.

6 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-09-26 21:29 ID:7bdWdvkk

My first post isn't a story love. On top of that, it's a paragraph not a huge wall of text. Then again, you're definition of huge and mine could be different.

7 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-09-26 21:29 ID:7bdWdvkk

My first post isn't a story love. On top of that, it's a paragraph not a huge wall of text. Then again, you're definition of huge and mine could be different.

8 Name: KatonRyu : 2010-09-26 21:56 ID:/NjN1pNu

I tell people my honest opinion about their fics, but I find that if I don't really like a fic I usually don't finish reading it and thus don't leave a review.

As for breaking the rules...no, I don't report them. In my eyes the rules are just guidelines. The only thing I hate is when people butcher the language.

One question: Isn't what you're doing the exact same as what the Literate Union does?

9 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-09-26 22:07 ID:7bdWdvkk

>>8 I try to at least review the first chapter even when I get bored with the story.

We are similar yes, but not exactly the same. I didn't even know what LU was until after I had already created this. I like what they're doing even though they've hit a bit of controversy over Red Booton.

Still, LU reports and offers warning. We offer warning first, wait for a response, then report if the author refuses to fix it.

LU mass critiques a story, we do not although we used to with rule breaking fics. That since has been changed.

I've seen LU mass critique stories that just weren't good, we don't.

LU is a bit more harsh than we are, but that's fine because not everyone learns by flowery words. I respect their methods too.

10 Name: Bola : 2010-09-27 00:36 ID:TJ5bTgcQ

I'll almost never leave reviews, saying 'update soon plz' or any of the kind. If the story is well written and all of that, but the author still messes up your/you're and such, I'll tell them. I'll begin my review pointing at their mistakes, and tell them positive things after that if there are any. I do try to review everything I read, but sometimes I just read two lines and see the fan-fiction isn't worth reading, so I won't review either. I could review, and say why it is so bad that I won't even read it, but then I would be quite unfair. I haven't taken the time to read all and find something positive. Rarely, I still will review such, when for instance I read a story in which Moaning Myrtle is having sex with a basilisk and such. That's when I cannot keep my thoughts to myself.

11 Name: Anonymous : 2010-09-27 01:44 ID:69CVM945

@6 - Personally, I would find it hard to join a group of critics who don't know the difference between you're and your.

12 Name: KatonRyu : 2010-09-27 02:30 ID:/NjN1pNu

>>6 Well, I don't like leaving a negative review for a story just because I don't like it. Some stories that are well written just aren't for me. Conversely, I can't leave a positive review either because I then feel I need to read the whole thing.

What I'm wondering, though, is why you care about the rules so much. What is so important about the guidelines that they need to be upheld with such fervor? I can understand reporting stories with horrible spelling and grammar, but even then only when it's so atrocious one can't even read it anymore.

13 Name: KatonRyu : 2010-09-27 02:32 ID:/NjN1pNu

And that was supposed to be >>9, but my browser crashed and I mistyped it.

14 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-09-27 05:14 ID:7bdWdvkk

Anonymous-We aren't asking people to be perfect. Everyone makes mistakes so if you don't want to join because I missed that mistake when I reread, that's perfectly fine. It's not like I know who you are anyway lol.

KatonRyu-I don't leave a negative review because I don't like a story either. I've never outright said "I don't like your story" but rather explain what I feel the issue is technically and give suggestions on a better way to go about it. Some things just won't appeal to some people; that's the reality of writing.

There is no fevor. I don't report a story like I said until the author has refused to fix it or lashed out at me. You have to remember that they are the ones who agreed to the guidelines before posting. If they weren't supposed to be followed, stories wouldn't be pulled when reported. We at least give the author a chance to fix it while giving a few ideas of how to go about it. I usually review regular stories, but when I or one of my group come across an author (no one is informed until after we see what the author does) who refuses/lashes out/continues the same way then we report it. It's all about choice. We aren't reporting immediately when we find a fic that didn't follow the rules. We've received lots of authors who honestly said "Sorry I didn't read the guidelines and saw others doing it so I'll fix it" and then the others who had more...colorful things to say lol.

15 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-09-27 05:14 ID:7bdWdvkk

Anonymous-We aren't asking people to be perfect. Everyone makes mistakes so if you don't want to join because I missed that mistake when I reread, that's perfectly fine. It's not like I know who you are anyway lol.

KatonRyu-I don't leave a negative review because I don't like a story either. I've never outright said "I don't like your story" but rather explain what I feel the issue is technically and give suggestions on a better way to go about it. Some things just won't appeal to some people; that's the reality of writing.

There is no fevor. I don't report a story like I said until the author has refused to fix it or lashed out at me. You have to remember that they are the ones who agreed to the guidelines before posting. If they weren't supposed to be followed, stories wouldn't be pulled when reported. We at least give the author a chance to fix it while giving a few ideas of how to go about it. I usually review regular stories, but when I or one of my group come across an author (no one is informed until after we see what the author does) who refuses/lashes out/continues the same way then we report it. It's all about choice. We aren't reporting immediately when we find a fic that didn't follow the rules. We've received lots of authors who honestly said "Sorry I didn't read the guidelines and saw others doing it so I'll fix it" and then the others who had more...colorful things to say lol.

16 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-09-27 05:14 ID:7bdWdvkk

Anonymous-We aren't asking people to be perfect. Everyone makes mistakes so if you don't want to join because I missed that mistake when I reread, that's perfectly fine. It's not like I know who you are anyway lol.

KatonRyu-I don't leave a negative review because I don't like a story either. I've never outright said "I don't like your story" but rather explain what I feel the issue is technically and give suggestions on a better way to go about it. Some things just won't appeal to some people; that's the reality of writing.

There is no fevor. I don't report a story like I said until the author has refused to fix it or lashed out at me. You have to remember that they are the ones who agreed to the guidelines before posting. If they weren't supposed to be followed, stories wouldn't be pulled when reported. We at least give the author a chance to fix it while giving a few ideas of how to go about it. I usually review regular stories, but when I or one of my group come across an author (no one is informed until after we see what the author does) who refuses/lashes out/continues the same way then we report it. It's all about choice. We aren't reporting immediately when we find a fic that didn't follow the rules. We've received lots of authors who honestly said "Sorry I didn't read the guidelines and saw others doing it so I'll fix it" and then the others who had more...colorful things to say lol.

17 Name: KatonRyu : 2010-09-27 08:23 ID:/NjN1pNu

Well, could you explain what kind of breaches you're looking for? Are you looking for misrated fics, or fics using chatspeak, or something else altogether? And what would 'fix' entail? Would it mean altering the content that breaks the rules so that it technicallt conforms while still saying the same thing? If a multichap fic of mine breaks the rules in an important part, a part I feel is crucial to the story (and mind you, I'm being hypothetical. If I really do break the rules in my fics I don't mean to) I probably wouldn't change it, especially if the rest of the fic follows the rules.

18 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-09-27 08:54 ID:aoKWqjkQ

Basically following the Entries Not Allowed. We don't touch song fics unless the whole thing is just copied and pasted lyrics or MA stories. Explicit scenes aren't allowed, but we just don't want to get involved with them. The LU can handle those.<p>Yes, we offer advice on how to keep the basic idea while keeping the rules or sometimes a loop hole especially with interactive fics.

19 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-09-28 00:37 ID:ZSjiY4pz

>>18 - That's pretty much what I do already. There are certain things I don't report, like songfics. I do though, leave a review pointing out the review, and why it is in place. Plagerism is the big thing I report. That, and people who gregariously break the rules. I try to be nice in my reviews and leave out like and dislike. However, I also don't stand for fanfic authors showing disrespect. When their work lacks respect, I let them know. Not something I like doing, but something that I feel needs to be done.

20 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-09-28 07:07 ID:mokVdqLz

>>19
Yeah, like I said we give the author time to decide what they're going to do first before reporting anything. No point in reporting a story that the author would change or delete anyway. My forums aren't just for critics though. They are for everyone. Certain parts are yes member's only, but the majority of it is not.

21 Name: Anonymous : 2010-09-28 12:45 ID:Wr0Vgp3C

Honestly, I feel like this is just going to make people discriminate against fanfic they think are breaking rules... but then again, I'm against these kinds of groups in general because I feel that they are unnecesary. People are already out doing what this group is "designed" for. Why not just leave it that way?

22 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-09-28 13:50 ID:mokVdqLz

Based on what you've said, it's clear you think something along the lines of we deal with rule breaking fics only. Not only that, every entry not allowed is possible to be created in a fic without it breaking the rules. It's clear you don't know exactly what all we do.

23 Name: Anonymous : 2010-09-28 14:17 ID:Wr0Vgp3C

Hey, relax Miss Critiquer. I understand what you're trying to do with this group. I was just voicing something called an opinion. And I did it in a pretty non-offensive way, didn't I?

24 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-09-28 15:18 ID:mokVdqLz

I wasn't offensive. It seems you're the one who got offended from the passive agressive way you just responded. If you understood, then tell me what it is you think we do. You singled out the rule breaking fics, one part of the many things we do. Next, if you look closely I did not say anything concerning your opinion (thinking they're not needed), simply on what I felt was misunderstood about what we do so saying "I was voicing something called an opinion" had nothing to do with my response in the first place. Did I put down anything you said? No I didn't. I pointed out based on what you said that concerning my movement, not all the information was looked at. If you were referring to groups that only look at rule breaking fics, then that's completely different. Someone's gettingas little uppity lol.

25 Name: Anonymous : 2010-09-28 17:13 ID:p5rHl/Eu

(same anon from above)

If that's really the case, then I apologize for misunderstanding your tone. It seemed like (in both posts actually) you were overly defending yourself in a passive aggressive manner. If I'm misinterpreting your tone through your words, I apologize in advance. Setting that aside, nothing annoys me more than when others presume I don't know what they're talking about.

Your group was created to help fanfic writers improve on their writing through critiques and constructive criticism. Stories that repeatedly break site rules after they have been pointed out are reported.

Sorry if me singling out rule-breaking fics caused some misunderstanding. As I said earlier, I was simply voicing my personal opinion. Just... next time, please don't automatically assume I don't understand everything you're talking about... (personal pet peeve, that's all)

26 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-09-28 17:38 ID:mokVdqLz

It's okay I really wasn't being passion agressive or anything like that. I just state, no feeling or emotion behind what I say.

It looks like you still missed a few things or misinterpreted. yes that was the intial idea behind creating it, but that doesn't explain all what we do as a movement which was what I meant. Just to clarify, it isn't fics that repeatedly break the rules. It's fics where the author continues updating the same way, lashes out at us. We only give one chance to fix it and the final decision is up to the author.

If you continue posting fics that break the rules and are reported, the account is closed. We've seen it lol. Not everything is on my page and in the forums which is the main reason why I said that. I'm not assuming, I know that you can't possibly know everything unless you're a member. Everything is completely explained through pm upon joining. I do that solely for purposes like this one here.

Your opinion is fine, but as I said in the post before, I did not touch your opinion of groups like this being unnecessary. Your opinion is your own and it's not like you're affecting me by saying that or anything. Anyway, I can't say we should agree to disagree since I never did say anything about your opinion on movements, but I will apologize if you felt I was being hostile because I wasn't.

27 Name: Cuneiform : 2010-09-29 06:21 ID:262L/jMJ

Hmm... this sounds very interesting. What if I don't have an FF account though?

28 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-09-29 07:39 ID:mokVdqLz

It's a little hard to be a member without an account since we are often asked for beta and review assistance. All you would be able to do without an account is report the fics. You can't even post on the forum without an account. If you ever do decide to make an account drop by and see us.

29 Name: Cuneiform : 2010-09-29 08:45 ID:262L/jMJ

See, the thing is I don't write fanfiction. I only read. Do many people create an account solely for reviewing? I usually just leave a signed review...

30 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-09-29 09:50 ID:mokVdqLz

Yes, there are many (actually I think the number of accounts that just read outnumber those who write) who have an account just for reviewing and favoriting stories. A few of our members don't write but only review.

31 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-09-29 14:37 ID:ZSjiY4pz

>>29 - Yeah. There are people who create accounts soley for reviewing. Of course, you have to be a bit forewarned about the fact that sometimes you will be called out for having not written anything as justification for them not listening to you. So, I personally advise putting something on your profile along the lines of, just because you aren't a writer, doesn't mean you don't know what you're talking about.

32 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-09-29 15:23 ID:mokVdqLz

>>31 You're so right about that. It's funny that they say things like that. Do you have to be a chef to know if something tastes good? Real critics are usually just spectators that are well informed on what they are a critic for like being a movie critic doesn't mean you have to make a movie. I do agree that posting a story makes it easier because that is the first thing they will point out most likely.

33 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-09-29 17:30 ID:ZSjiY4pz

>>32 "that is the first thing they will point out most likely".

Which is unfortunatly true. When I first joined, it was for reviews, but I started posting stories to 'proove' I knew somewhat of what I was talking about. It snowballed from there. You don't need them though, but should definatly make it clear that you don't need to have written fanfiction to critique someones work.

34 Name: TheVacuum : 2010-09-30 15:45 ID:Z3qXI9BD

>>32 and 33: So true. I would think that if an author replies to a reviewer by calling him/her out for not having written anything, the author to me isn't reading the review seriously enough to consider its words, or paying it enough attention. Because all the author is focusing on is the lack of stories said reviewer has, which is totally going away from the point of the review received. I would also like to think that authors who respond in that way aren't that more advanced in their writing as the reviewers, and don't appreciate criticism because they think their writing is good when it may not be so. Which would be what the review is telling them.
That is just being too proud of oneself.

I only review if I consider a story 'worth it' or impressive enough to me. Sorry if that sounds arrogant but I've got a standard of what makes writing good or well written, and you've got to admit that there's countless stories out there which definitely need a lot of reworking. Plus, who's really going to listen to a well thought out review except the more dedicated and like-minded writers who would more likely act on criticism in a positive way, and consider it for their stories?
For me, the stories can reflect the kind of person who writes them, or at least how good a writer he/she is. Unfortunately well-written work is rare on fanfiction.

35 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-09-30 17:00 ID:ZSjiY4pz

>>34 - You have a valid point, that you wonder who is going to listen to such a review, other then those with like mind. I look at it this way.

If enough people critisize the fanficer and let them know, hey... this isn't cool, it can definatly make a point. It would decrease the number of badfic out there because...

  • some people would take the chance to rewrite
  • others would realize that posting for only good reviews is a no-no

36 Name: TheVacuum : 2010-10-01 10:28 ID:aKM4+G6z

>>35 Thanks. But I'm too lazy to bother reviewing such stories, or even finish reading it all because they're so bad. I'll leave that to those are bothered to do so. On the other hand, fanfiction isn't extremely serious on what kind of content should be allowed or how good the writing is supposed to be. So it's not surprising that many mediocre fics exist, thus my frustration can't be wholly justified for the way badfics are created. And I don't see them stopping in the near future anyway.

But I really commend the fics which do show that decent effort and time has been put into them, and are not written for the sake of popularity and wish-fulfilment.

37 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-10-01 12:59 ID:mokVdqLz

>>36 Well FF. Net is clear on what standards should be met. They are the basics, but often can make or break a story like proper grammar and spell checking. If I see a story, no matter how good the idea is, if it's riddled with mistakes, it's not a story I would want to follow. Finding your style takes practice and assistance from your readers (Who actually leave a real review)helps you know what to work on. Then of course practicing in school (if the person is still in school) helps with having advice too.

38 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-10-01 18:44 ID:ZSjiY4pz

>>38 - I agree with you. I think that if nobody tells the bad writers that they need to improve, they have no incentive to do so. And if all they get is gushing praise, they are going to continue messing yp.

39 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2010-10-03 05:48 ID:mokVdqLz

Exactly. When I first started, all I got was praise. I never thought I was doing anything wrong because of it, then I got a review saying I needed and editor and I was pissed. How dare this person tell me I need an editor when everyone else has given me such amazing praise? I don't see any mistakes anyway! Then later on down the line, I realized he was correct about what he said. I call that "noob writer syndrome". Not all the authors grow out of it unfortunately.

40 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-10-03 12:00 ID:ZSjiY4pz

>>39 - I recently came across a Harry Potter fanfic where the first chapter, and the only chapter has about thirteen reviews of gushing praise. Me... well, I couldn't praise the fanfic at all, so... on this one I quoted the site quidelines, that not everyone will praise the work.

She's basically tossed Rowlings canon out for her own twisted version of Harry Potter and she said in her summary that the fanfic is going to have character bashing. Which was where I started my review, about how character bashing is not something a mature writer would do.

Loads of fun... not...

41 Name: Anonymous : 2010-10-04 11:37 ID:fRk9Ed+R

Hm, but if you notice, alot of the Fanfiction authors tend to bash a character just because they don't like said character which to me seems a little stupid. But it does, even if i have to admit it, make a good plot - device, if used well.

42 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-10-04 13:16 ID:ZSjiY4pz

>>41 - I personally think that is a REALLY stupid reason to bash a character myself. People will argue that there is a major difference between actual character bashing, and actually pulling out a characters flaws and using it. Of course, I've also never seen a fanfic that openly admits to bashing the characters that has actually turned out well.

43 Name: Kage666 : 2010-10-04 15:43 ID:ssZXqWEa

Me neither. I read alot and i mean ALOT of character bashing stories and they all suck. There was only like two that I liked but they're discontinued.

44 Name: Jen : 2010-10-05 16:57 ID:XKdIn717

I dont' really read character bashing, because most of the time people just don't like character x for being "in the way" of y and z's relationship.

It's always good when a writer pulls out a person's flaws (that are acutally existent) and uses them effectively. Effectively being the key word. It gets a bit annoying when inexperienced writer emphasize a trait that is just barely there, though.

45 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-10-05 17:13 ID:ZSjiY4pz

>>44 - If they aren't bashing for that reason, they're bashing because they dislke the character because they think they are boring, or because they think that they are a goody two shoes, are some other stupid reason.

Pulling out the flaws isn't bashing, someting newbie writers confuse.

46 Name: Creeper : 2010-11-28 03:19 ID:PxOwMFxy

See, my biggest problem with the Critics United is that some of your members have incredibly hostile profiles. I was being a total creeper reading a lot of them, I'm aware, but I did go through to see if your members could write decently before I asked for any help.

The sheer... hostility I got from some of the profile descriptions made me feel that some of your members were looking for a fight. One in particular read as if she was trying to make me mad; she offended me quite a bit in the way she handled a few topics and, though I agreed with her on some of her points, I felt that she was being controversial just to be controversial.

Which may be what I'm doing right now: being controversial just to be controversial. However, I wanted to give you a heads up. Talk to some of your members and ask them to tone it down a bit. Personally, I wouldn't mind being corrected. Heck, I might even ask you for help. But, and this is important, I don't want to get a review from a member of Critics United only to find that the reviewer is very blatantly attacking some of the things I like on their profile. Worse, I don't want to get a review only to find that the reviewer can't write very well and suffers from a misuse of commas (a lot of your reviewers seem to think that, when listing, you don't need a comma before 'and'. According to everyone I know, most with degrees on the matter, you do.)

I just wanted to point that out. I'm not trying to troll or offend anyone here. All I'm saying is that it seems like some of the reviewers are looking for a fight, if their profiles are anything to go by. If I were several years younger and hyped up on my kind of fanfiction, I'd totally dive into a flame war with one of your reviewers, just because I felt talked down to. That said, I'm sure others are actually doing it.

But otherwise, thanks for the willingness to post honest reviews. I do like it when people give my stories an actual review, telling me where I need to improve and what not. Your people are good about that, as my creeping has shown.

47 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-11-28 13:16 ID:ZSjiY4pz

>>46 - That is actually a good point, truth be told. I am sure though every group runs into those kinds of people who are really doing it to push buttons on people.

48 Name: Creeper : 2010-11-28 13:33 ID:PxOwMFxy

@47

See, that's my problem with things like this. It's actually a very good idea- a lot of people of FFNet need the help. But when people do this kind of thing looking to get into it with somebody, I can't really trust the validity of the organization. And the truth is, there were a couple of members that were very obviously hoping to rile somebody up.

49 Name: C : 2010-11-28 16:13 ID:6bIxm0Jh

As a member of the group, I know who you are talking about. I know her quite well and though she can be a bit hostile and she holds her beliefs in certain things in FanFiction, she means no harm. She is actually quite helpful, as are the rest of the members. She is rarely ever hostile in her reviews and is in no way controversial just to be controversial. We respect the different reviewing styles of our members such as hers. I would say that nearly all (if not all) of our members, including her, are only hostile in reviews for those who have cussed out one of our members through PM over a non-threatening/condescending review, or trolls.

As for the grammar thing, we admit to not being perfect. Many believe that one cannot be a critic without being an expert, but we too are learning. Many of our members ask each other for critiques and help with areas they aren’t particularly skilled in. So though, some of us aren’t the epitome of good grammar and spelling, we try to improve as well. Because though we give constructive criticism, we too are author’s that are learning things as we go. We receive constructive criticism as well, that’s a reason many of us joined. I joined when the leader of the group gave me constructive criticism and it was so helpful that I wanted to do the same for other authors.
I understand your concerns and I know that they are legitimate and that you aren’t trying to offend anyone. I definitely can’t suggest that you haven’t done your homework before voicing them either. The main goal of the group is mainly to help authors and remove rule breaking stories. That’s really the shared goal of all our members, not to create controversy.

50 Name: Creeper : 2010-11-28 16:49 ID:PxOwMFxy

First off: thank you for referring to my creeping as 'doing my homework'. That made me feel considerably better about it, if I might say. XD

More seriously:

Your reply was very, very eloquently written and polite. Reading my first comment, I can see that I didn't garner quite so nice a response. Admittedly, I was snarking just to snark once or twice in there, for which I apologize. Though I hate saying 'needless to say', let me say it in this: you were not one of the members that I was referring to, in any way shape or form.

However, I do still stand by my earlier advice that someone talk to the member and ask her to tone it down. She's not helping Critics United's reputation with her profile content. Reading it, I felt talked down to (I'm seventeen; in no way do I appreciate being called a child by someone only a few years older than me), and, as I said earlier, I would have PM'd her something nasty were I younger and braver. Her profile made me seriously reconsider the validity of the group, especially in regards to any prejudices my fics might earn due to a member's prepossession in certain areas. In short: it was not user friendly and did nothing to further your cause.

I went too far with the grammar comment. I shouldn't have commented on that, I was just a little perturbed at the idea that someone might critique without the full qualifications they should have in regards to punctuation, etceteras. The idea that even the members of Critics United are trying to improve themselves is something I can respect and shouldn't have complained about.

Thank you for the nice response. As I said earlier, it was very nicely done. :)

51 Name: Mungetsu : 2010-11-28 17:32 ID:Xc1MHany

I'm always glad to give criticism to other writers and ask a beta reader for help when I need it, but what's the point of joining? I mean, either you constructively criticize in reviews, or you don't. You don't have to join CU to be an informative reviewer. (I'm not making a point. I'm seriously asking that question. Answer please?)

52 Name: C : 2010-11-28 17:36 ID:6bIxm0Jh

No problem. I myself have creeped in plenty of forums.

Trust me, your comment was in no way the snarkiest I've dealt with. Your post voiced legitimate concerns with the group and I understand them.

Reading some of the profiles for the first time, I myself felt a bit talked down to. I fell into the categories of many of the things that were commented upon, but though it can be offensive, it’s really the individual’s personal opinion and not that of the group itself. Many have tried to tell them and the other more hostile members to tone it down, and very few have succeeded. They have their own way of reviewing and we've come to accept it. We just learn to accept the differences in reviewing styles, because in a way it does get the job done with some of the more hostile, “Holier than thou” types who think the rules do not apply to them. I understand how finding yourself offended by one of our members wouldn't give you the utmost confidence in our group as a whole.

Though I disagree with them on some points, I really have no right to tell them what to do. Many of our members that are a bit more harsh review that way because they realized that after submitting down right sweet, candy coated reviews, they still got the all too common, "Go eff urself u jerk. I dont hav an spelin erors."

One of the things that we specifically do is we try not to be biased in our reviews. Those who handle who reviews what story when it comes to requests take the preferences of other members into account when assigning someone. I would, for instance, probably be the first choice for a yaoi/slash story were someone to ask for help on it, because that is my area of expertise and I am perfectly fine with reading it.

We have dealt with angry people because of the members in question’s reviewing style, and all in all, it's really up to the individual member. The thing is that Critics United is not really an organization in which your reviewing style has to conform to a certain area in order to join. We really are a variety of critics all joined together to work to help improve the writing of other FanFiction authors and to remove rule breaking fics. We have no power over each other and we try to accept the style of that person.

We allow those requesting constructive criticism to request a specific member in order to help in case they don't like a certain member and don't want that person to review or they need a certain area of expertise. We don’t want to make anyone angry, but we can’t rightfully tell a member to do this or that.

I understand your concern with the grammar and I don’t fault you for it. Many people have taken a shot at some of our member’s grammar before, in a far harsher way. It makes sense that you would be a bit confused as to why someone who seems just as human as the one they’re critiquing to be giving advice when there is a fair amount of errors in their writing. But we try and though we all have a grasp of the English language, we all slip up here and there. I can respect your concern and like I said, I don’t find you at fault for it.

I simply hope that your distaste for the way some of our members operate doesn’t cause you to dislike the group in general.

53 Name: C : 2010-11-28 17:47 ID:6bIxm0Jh

>>51 Sorry, I didn't see your post before.

Well to join means that you have a bit of a support group in reporting the rule breakers that blatantly do so.

Critics United does serve a main goal of giving constructive criticism, through both reviews and betas which can be requested at the forum in the designated thread.

But there is also the purpose of removing rule breaking stories. When a lone critic does this, they can only report it so much. But if the author attacks the reviewer after being told that they are breaking the rules or continue to break the rules by continuing the story, the story's name can be posted and reported by the other members of the group, resulting in a quicker removal by the admins. We do this because the rules are there for a reason and the admins need to be informed of those that break them, so we work together to get these removed.

I suppose it doesn't seem like everyone's cup of tea to join a group to remove rule breakers and give constructive criticism, but we do it. Through joining you can be assigned to give constructive criticism and to beta stories the author has requested help on. We sort of function as a way to help authors and the site in a group setting in which we can help each other to reach that goal.

54 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-11-28 18:07 ID:ZSjiY4pz

>>53 - Paricularly since LK just made the ability to report a fanfic a lot harder as ff.net has made the move to block things such as RB.

55 Name: Creeper : 2010-11-28 18:31 ID:PxOwMFxy

@52

I'm glad I wasn't too snarky. ^^, It would be somewhat hypocritical if I was being overly hostile in my complaints of someone else's hostility.

Oh, don't get me wrong- I respect what the CU is doing. I was just trying to point out that the lack of... politeness in some of the members' profiles makes the CU unapproachable. (e.g. I'm a struggling writer looking for help who decides to check out a profile of one of the members. After reading some of their comments, I decided not to ask for help because I feel as if the group will berate me rather than offer me advice.)

So long as someone's tried, I'm placated. I understand that the group has no control over its individual members and that I can't really expect their profiles to be censored. Knowing that someone has tried to correct the member is enough for me.

If reviewers reply the same way to both hostile and gentle methods, I can see why some of the reviewers would take a more hostile approach should their original, kinder approach have failed.

All that said, I respect what the group is trying to do, if not all the members' methods.

56 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-11-28 23:49 ID:ZSjiY4pz

>>53 - I've recieved some death threats from people I've reviewed. If they hadn't deleted their fanfic, I would have reported it then and there. Tried making the excuse that they posted something they narated and let their nephew type up and he posetedbecause his nephew was so proud. I was like WHAT THE FUCK... I would NEVER have done something like that to a child.

57 Name: elisalove : 2010-11-29 09:40 ID:V6Rz2vTA

hi i was wondering what happens when someone go too for in their reviews? what happen when they say something so offended that you the author wants to just quit and give up on their story?

58 Name: elisalove : 2010-11-29 09:41 ID:V6Rz2vTA

hi i was wondering what happens when someone go too for in their reviews? what happen when they say something so offended that you the author wants to just quit and give up on their story?

59 Name: elisalove : 2010-11-29 09:42 ID:V6Rz2vTA

hi i was wondering what happens when someone go too for in their reviews? what happen when they say something so offended that you the author wants to just quit and give up on their story?

60 Name: elisalove : 2010-11-29 09:42 ID:V6Rz2vTA

srry new at this

61 Name: elisalove : 2010-11-29 09:43 ID:V6Rz2vTA

srry new at this

62 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-11-29 12:37 ID:ZSjiY4pz

>>57 -

  • First, you have to ask if the critisism was ligitimate.
  • Second, you have to read the review and ask yourself if they said anything that was bullying, like "kindergardeners know the difference between their and their" or if they happen to have told the author to quit writing.
  • Third, if they've told the fanfic writer to quit writing, look to see if their are other reviews. Sometimes though, a fanfic writer will have deleted offending stories simply because of offending reviews.
  • Forth, contact the person who said quit if their review was a rather nice critique and ask what the situation is. Never assume.
  • Fifth, if it turns out they are a flamer, report it using the report button on the right, though if it is anon, the fanfic writer will have to delete it.
  • Sixth, if they are honestly being bullied, tell them that there are people like that and to come back when they are ready, no sooner.
  • Seventh, if they recieved honest critique, tell them that they should take what the people said into concideration, no one is perfect. (That includes myself Elisa). If the fanfic is a rule breaking fanfic, they DON'T have a choice in the matter, as the mods will eventually get a report and deal with it.
  • Eighth, always remember, just because someone said something negative about the fanfic, or offended you because of saying something negative doesn't mean they are being rude or mean. Some people are honestly trying to help.

When people don't listen... well, I know of one fanfic writer I completly went off on after reviewing a DOZEN of her fanfics telling her what she did wrong. I told her the honest truth. She was basically in the Toshiro/Momo ship for Bleach, writing rabid fanfics, and then she tried to cross into a pairing that is pracitcally canon as of the latest Bleach chapters, Gin/Rangiku. That pairing is a serius one and people there don't put up with badfic for that ship. She wasn't just way layed by me, but other people. Mine was the most negative simply because I had to tell her the truth. The summary excited me, and then I read the fanfic and became highly disapointed. I was simply going to leave a critique, but... I glanced at the author's name and found out it was her, and then had to flat out tell her, unless she took time to take critique and grow as a writer, I would never, ever expect anything good to come from her writing. Did I tell her to quit writing? No... but I did tell her that I was not putting up with her nonsense anymore. She basically fled to a fandom I don't know much about.

63 Name: elisalove : 2010-11-29 14:51 ID:V6Rz2vTA

thank for ur advice its just that i wrote a story well started to and well after my first chap some people said some horible things about it i understand that my grammer had suck but i didnt really get time to prof read it and i was excited and well im really one of those people who have low self esteam and i guess thanks again

64 Name: Creeper : 2010-11-29 14:55 ID:PxOwMFxy

@57

I agree with Yemi Hikari on this. If the reviewer was being pointlessly mean or offensive, ignore them. In fact, if they went too far (e.g. suggested/referenced homicide or suicide), I'd report them and/or delete their review.

Otherwise, a good review should tell you about any grammar mistakes, spelling mistakes, or misplaced words. They'll tell you the weaknesses and the strengths of your story, and, should they do the former, they'll offer suggestions as to how you might improve your work. (e.g. I see that you put 'I' where a 'me' should be. In my review, I say something like: You misused 'I' in [fill in sentence]. That needs to be a 'me'.)

I hope that helps.

65 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-11-29 16:45 ID:ZSjiY4pz

>>63 - Not to mention, I looked and saw that one of your reviewers offered to help you with being a Beta Reader for you, to help you with your grammer issues. I suggest having them use the DocX system and finding the places that need corrections and then having you change them yourself, so that you'll learn and grow. Actually, one of my favorite reviewers on my old fanfics reviewed for the story and to help me on my grammer when I first started out. Nolstalgia.

66 Name: elisalove : 2010-11-29 19:58 ID:V6Rz2vTA

thanks guys i really apopreciate ur advices

67 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-11-29 22:46 ID:ZSjiY4pz

>>66 - Welcome! :)

68 Name: KazeYami : 2010-12-01 07:33 ID:Mirr9h0M

I'm always fairly honest in my reviews. But, I find, that most authors don't really like that. My review is either ignored, where all the others are replied too, or the author goes on a long diatribe about how and why the story is written like this or this character is acting like that. Which just annoys me. If you have to explain something outside of the story, then just put that in the story.

So, lately, I don't review much. If I do, it's usually just the stories that I like, in which I give positive feedback.

69 Name: Anonymous : 2010-12-01 16:47 ID:ZSjiY4pz

>>68 - I know how that feels really. But I also know, if someone doesn't step up and hold these people to have some sort of standard, they won't ever think to have standards. Actually, some are like, who cares about the rules, treating life as if they can get away with anything. Or... more perhaps along the lines that the internet is NOT part of the real world, when it really is.

70 Name: KazeYami : 2010-12-01 18:12 ID:vD+vMijX

>>69 - Yeah, but, some of them get really upset. And, I understand. If you're just writing something for fun, or you're all young and angsty and full of soft mushy spots that are easily bruised, then fine. It's cool, I don't have to critique them. I just wish that they would say, somewhere in the beginning of the story or something, "No negative feedback," or "Not looking for critiques." I can respect that.

But, obviously, they don't. So, then, I do. And, then they get their feelings hurt and I'm left standing there looking like a little baddy. ;o; Poor me, oh, my.

71 Name: C : 2010-12-01 19:39 ID:6bIxm0Jh

>>69 Many of the newer members who have posted their first FanFic are very susceptible to criticism if you are nice enough about pointing out their mistakes and how to fix them, but there will always be the ones that think their stories are holy pieces that need not be edited at risk of disturbing the balance that makes it so 'amazing.'
Standards need to be set if anyone is to be improved upon.

>>70 I've been blunt and to the point with some writers that are twelve and many of them simply say that they didn't know and start editing it.

Many will put, "No flames." But that leaves room for interpretation, meaning that leaving a critique can set them off for "flaming" their story.

Writing for fun doesn't mean you can't improve upon yourself, and some people are truly too soft when it comes to being criticized in anything they do. You need to learn what you're doing wrong to fix it.

Don't feel bad about 'hurting their feelings.' Many simply overreact or are extremely defensive of their work. Telling them what is wrong with their story is not a crime. You are doing nothing wrong and should feel no remorse in trying to help them.

72 Name: KazeYami : 2010-12-02 09:59 ID:HkVOaVx2

>>71 You're a very nice lady and/or gentleman. Thank you very much. X3

73 Name: Jennifer : 2012-01-23 09:25 ID:jZg3Nvgw

I have already become somewhat of a critic on fanfiction.net. If I see a good story I tend to leave a good review with helpful hints on what could improve the story even further. I do have a hard time reviewing a bad story simply because I don't really like to be mean and there isn't much nice I could say for the bad story.

74 Name: Lauren : 2012-01-24 17:58 ID:72l2W0Og

>>73 I completely know where you're coming from. Its hard to sit and come up with the nicest way possible to tell the writer they need work and to get them to actually take you're advice, when the story is bad. Something I've found to make it easier to help others is to think about if this were my story, what advice and crit would I listen to the most. I form the review the way i would like to see on one of my stories, the way some great people have done for me and hope that the person will take my crit into consideration.

>>71 I know I can be protective of my own work at times but I think if the reviewer words it as they are giving advice to help strengthen the story and the writer themselves, they will be more open to the information coming in. Rather than many reviewers that I've seen that come along and just tear the story apart and leaving it. If a reviewer can tell the writer what they found wrong, and maybe a suggestion on how to fix it, more writers would listen. Its difficult listening to anyone who rips apart something you've been working hard on. That's just my view on it as the writer.

I feel that being a writer myself and seeing the kind of reviews that help me will help me review on stories I read. It gives me another view other than some people who read and review and only have favorites on their page, never ever written a story before.

I just think there are ways to get the point across and the information to ground someone and reel them back to reality. If you can word it to point out the flaws and try to give advice on how to fix it and grow, more people would be less likely to act like they can do what they want.

75 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2012-02-10 02:44 ID:vyF5y950

>>73 & >>74 - I'm one of the fanfic critics on the site. I'll admit some of my reviews don't come out the way I want them too. Having done critique for a long time now, I wonder if there really is a "nice" way to tell a person they need to work on their fanfic.

I think even the reviews that try to pad the "not so nice stuff" with something positive really aren't "nice" reviews. At least not in the mind of a twelve to fourteen year old who thinks anything negative said to them is someone being "mean and spiteful".

The way I look at it is, while it is true that the stuff I've felt I needed to say isn't "nice things to hear", I do think that being told the truth is "kindness and not meanness" on the part of the reviewer.

76 Name: Lauren : 2012-02-11 15:00 ID:fEXoa0OH

>>75 You have a point about the young teens.
I do agree that it's hard but my thought is it shouldn't be "your story is horrible and atrocious." "stop writing" that sort of things. My opinion it should be something like "the story needs some work. Here is what I found that I think you should work on..." The telling the person that there are mistakes and problems but helping them to fix it. If that makes any sense the way I explained it.

77 Name: Bobo-is-tha-bomb : 2012-02-15 14:23 ID:v+7cUa1n

I'm fine with people giving good criticism, because it makes you write better stories. What I don't like about groups as citics united is the reporting thing. This whole ratting each other out policy is just mean.

It's part of the reason why I nowadays focus more on archives like Lunaescence and JamlyFics. There, the moderators check every story and chapter for grammar and they kindly tell you if you break any rules, or if your story need adjustments to the spelling and grammar.

So yeah... I really think it's up to the moderators of ff.net to tell people that they're breaking the rules and not to other authors and readers on the site.

78 Name: Marth : 2012-02-16 16:54 ID:N4n5Khu1

>>77 The sheer volume of stories posted on FFN everyday makes having a mod check over every one of them an impractical solution there, even though it works great for small archives. Judging by the speed at which abuse reports are handled, if FFN implemented a "mods check every story before it's posted" model, it would take at least a couple weeks for a submitted story to show up on the site.

Nonetheless, the moderators ARE the ones who have the power to enforce the rules. Abuse reports bring potential violations to their attention, but an actual mod has to say, "Yeah, this story is breaking the rules" and delete it. I've definitely had people threaten to report me for personal reasons (rather than anything having to do with the content of a story), and if they did, nothing ever came of it, because reported fics aren't automatically deleted.

And no, reporting stories that break the rules isn't mean. Not following the rules is disrespectful toward the site and toward one's fellow authors. Let's not shift the blame onto the people who're using the site as it's meant to be used, 'kay?

79 Name: Bobo-is-tha-bomb : 2012-02-17 02:12 ID:v+7cUa1n

I don't think that ff.net had intended for groups like this to form, but hey...

I was reported back in december for having a story up that had a script format. I used the script format on purpose to enhance the humoristic aspects of my story. Anyway, I took the story off, because I wasn't going to change anything about it. It's still up on a different archive and none bothered me about the format there.

I've had a very unpleasant run in with a girl from the LU a few years ago. In a review she claimed one of my stories was trash and she told me to remove it, otherwise she would keep on stalking me. So I reported her and she went and posted a very nasty comment about me on her profile. She then also claimed that she (and others) would keep on sending me hate mail until I removed my story. I reported her again and I've never heard of her since.

So, pardon me if I don't like groups like these...

80 Name: Marth : 2012-02-17 10:52 ID:N4n5Khu1

>>79 I just meant that the site intended for the reporting feature to be used to alert the mods to potential rules violations...like your script format story. The reason no one's bothered you about it on your other archive, I assume, is because it's not against that site's rules. It is against FFN's rules, so the person who reported it was doing the right thing. I was hesitant about calling your earlier post sour grapes, because I had no evidence that your dislike of reporting was personal, but yeah. Sour grapes.

I don't think you can blame the LU for your crazy stalker, though--at least, from the way you explain it, it sounds like she was the only one harassing you, and she just threatened to get the rest of the LU involved. My guess is that she would do crazy shit like that regardless of her involvement with any particular group. Do you know if she got kicked off the site (which it sounds like she deserved) or just left you alone from then on?

81 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2012-02-17 18:01 ID:vyF5y950

>>79 & >>80 - I agree with what Marth says about "the reason no one's bothered you about it" is because "it's not against the rules." I'd also like to point out that LU and CU are two separate groups and both have been trolled by people who pretend to be a member.

82 Name: Bobo-is-tha-bomb : 2012-02-18 05:57 ID:v+7cUa1n

The girl from the LU really was a member. I checked it when I reported her. She didn't get banned, which really surprised me because I wasn't the only person she stalked. She did remove the things she wrote about me from her profile, so I guess she did receive a warning.

But aside from that, I have never liked groups like these, even before I got reported. I've seen tons of fics (and enjoyed quite a few of them) that are against the rules and I never reported them. I guess it just goes against my nature. I never rat anyone out. Except when it's a clear case of plagiarism.

And I'm also wondering if groups like CU really work, because as you pointed out: the sheer volume of stories that get posted every day cannot be checked by the mods. But the CU cannot check every story as well, so there are always fics that are bound to slip past their notice.

83 Name: Marth : 2012-02-21 10:48 ID:N4n5Khu1

>>82 I didn't mean that she was or wasn't a member, just that not everything a LU member does is because the group tells her to do it. I mean, let's say theoretically that the LU kicked her out. Do you think she would stop being such a psycho? If no other members got involved, I would say that this isn't a case of the LU harassing so much as it is a case of one asshole harassing you.

Also, nirvana fallacy. Look it up.

84 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2012-02-21 21:28 ID:vyF5y950

>>82 - I speaking from my knowledge of how the CU works rather then the LU. The CU members stay pretty nice until someone turns into a fanbrat so to speak.

There was a time when I didn't report stories either, unless they were plagiarism. The fanfics I saw breaking the rules would only crop up once a week at most. It seems to have become more frequent over the last few years. I also noticed that a lot of these rule breaking fanfics were getting more positive attention then fanfics that people worked had on obeying the rules on.

Not to mention the fact there are reasons to reports stuff beyond just plagiarism issues.

RPF involving famous people infringes upon their rights to privacy and some of these stories could be brought to court as being slanderous and harmful to the famous persons reputation and the fact is fiction will only fuel the case against people.
RPF self-inserts run the risk of revealing vital information about the author to an online stalker, not to mention RPF self-inserts tend to be “Mary Sued” versions of themselves so the writer runs the risk of calling the people who critique for “Mary Sue” issues “bullies” because the character is the writer.
Songs not in the public domain used in fanfiction is a copyright infringement, which is right up there with plagiarism, PARTICULARLY when the song fic is comprised mostly of the song rather then the writers own words and then they are a form of plagiarism.
Non-story content is spam on the site that takes up chances for the people posting legit fanfic to get noticed.
Interactive fanfic relates back to the RPF self-insert.
MA shouldn't be on this site. I'm not saying a teen under fifteen shouldn't read M or MA rated stuff. However, I will flat out say it isn't fair to a teenager expecting M rated stuff to suddenly find MA material.

This covers the basic rules. Grammar isn't an option for writing and if a person isn't willing to use it something is wrong. I'm going to say I would like script format to be allowed because I honestly see nothing wrong with script format. However, I will also say most people using it do it because they are lazy and/or they don't know how to properly use script format. The other issue comes basically from quality control. The site is free for us to use, why not obey the rules we agreed to obey in the first place as it isn't our site?

The CU's goal isn't to get rid of ALL the rule breaking fanfics either. They know they can't. They mostly work individually and being a part of the group serves two purposes. They've found that sometimes a second person telling a person that they are breaking the site rules makes some writers realize that the first person was telling them the truth. Group reporting is also good when it comes to dealing with fanfic writers who've made it clear they think they are above the rules and that an exception should basically be made for them. And yes... they have managed to get quite a few fanfics pulled from the site. They prefer it when an author pulls their own fanfic or edits it so it is rule compliant rather then having to report people.

>>83 – I think it was in reference to what I was saying more then what you were saying...

85 Name: CJH : 2012-04-10 05:18 ID:u1OMyuQG

If your group is suppose to give constructive criticsm, then why are people like bonus-kun jumping down our throats if we post something like a songfic? and on top of that, if songfics are against the rules, why are there fanfic categories of Cats, Wicked, Glee, Phantom of the Opera, which are all revolved around music?

If you guys don't like what we are writing, then go establish your own fanfic site and mind your own buisness.

Does this look like constructive criticsm to YOU?!?This is what I am talking about. It's a review for the fic don't laugh at me by arianna of combined beings.

Bonus Kun 2/23/12 ch1

Dear:

Clueless Newbie,

You are being reviewed because you broke the rules of the page.

To Repent, you must:

Fix this piece of boring shit and actually post something relevant. Which in this case means removing the song lyrics from the story.

In Closing, I'd Like to say:

Take your crap somewhere else and come back when you've learned how to respect the rules of this site.

Until then, I will report your story.

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\¸. BONUS KUN ,.,\

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Reviews are for constructive criticism, not bashing the author.

86 Name: Moonphase : 2012-04-13 12:58 ID:zMZLnrql

God, that's pretty horrible...

87 Name: Moonphase : 2012-04-13 12:58 ID:zMZLnrql

God, that's pretty horrible...

88 Name: Moonphase : 2012-04-13 12:59 ID:zMZLnrql

I've never been bothered by any of these groups, but I'm disturbed by what I've read so far. Why do we need groups like this; isn't it fanfic.nets job to keep an eye on what's being posted on to their site? I don't want some dickhead 14 year old taking out his issues on me because I've written something he doesn't like.

89 Name: Moonphase : 2012-04-13 13:00 ID:zMZLnrql

I've never been bothered by any of these groups, but I'm disturbed by what I've read so far. Why do we need groups like this; isn't it fanfic.nets job to keep an eye on what's being posted on to their site? I don't want some dickhead 14 year old taking out his issues on me because I've written something he doesn't like.

90 Name: Marth : 2012-04-17 10:38 ID:N4n5Khu1

>>85 Bonus-kun was being a jackass, but I gotta say your insanely fallacious argument about songfics makes me sympathize with xir somewhat. Songfics ARE against the rules, which you would know if you had ever read them, and saying that they should be allowed because fanfic has categories for musicals is like saying that script format should be allowed because movies have scripts.

Despite that, Bonus-kun should have asked you to take your songfic down much more politely. Being a shit to authors who are doing something wrong only encourages those authors to be shits in return.

91 Name: Marth : 2012-04-18 10:54 ID:N4n5Khu1

I just realized that my previous post sounded like I thought you were being a shit, CJH. That was not my intention. I think your argument for songfics in nonsense, but I don't think you reacted shittily to Bonus Kun's review. All I meant was that authors, in general, have a tendency to spaz out when criticism is phrased nastily.

92 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2012-04-18 17:28 ID:QtLykkto

>>85 - Sorry, but you missed the fact songfics are against site rules because they use song lyrics that are under copyrght. It is against the law to use copyrighted lyrics unless it is under fair use and fanfiction is not fair use.

>>88 - I'm not going to defend the review here but I am going to say it isn't possible for the site admins to police the site on their own. They need people to report rule breaking fanfics. If I broke a rule, I would rather get a warning rather then have it removed without me not knowing.

93 Name: Dramaaa : 2012-04-20 09:40 ID:VRZ2+gke

The again, Bonus Kun does state in his profile that he's an aggressive bastard when it comes to stories that are breaking the rules. So I don't know what you were expecting out of him.

I was actually flamed by him once and after talking to him I realized he's actually a decent guy behind the flamer act.

94 Name: Dave : 2012-06-13 16:16 ID:pzcy04u0

95 Name: Dave : 2012-06-13 16:16 ID:pzcy04u0

96 Name: Dave : 2012-06-13 16:16 ID:pzcy04u0

97 Name: moonphase : 2012-06-16 04:46 ID:vzEEmri+

>> 93, well she couldn't expect anything out of him as I doubt she read his profile page before he reviewed her work.

I've done some research into these guys, and reading the things they've written, they seem like bullies to me.

I agree that fanfic.net has a lot of bad fics, but I totally disagree with Critics United, I don't think they're the saviours they seem to think they are.

98 Name: Bola : 2012-06-16 05:54 ID:/PPGHxa6

I certainly agree with you, moonphase. Actually, their reviews could be reported for flaming in that way. That's not constructive criticism anymore, but bullying.

99 Name: DarkSacredJewelXoX : 2012-07-01 08:42 ID:Z8yiX4CV

Actually flaming isn't against the rules. That's why flamers like Flame Rising were never stopped. He quit on his own. You'd have to show some examples of bullying and flaming. A Flame is insulting the author without giving any assistance on how to fix the story. That isn't what CU does.

100 Name: Stranger : 2012-07-05 10:53 ID:5f9izozK

>>99: Your goal does not justify your methods, whether you like it or not. I have read what you post on your forum, and I must say, the first pages of your "Complain Threads" speaks for itself. When confronted with it, the only explanation you gave (I think it was Cha Aegis or you) is that those posts are two years old and that you don't review like this anymore. Fine, if you say so.

Now the condescending attitude that ALL and I really mean ALL (including your dear self) show when answering people on your threads doesn't sit well with me or anyone that reads what you post. Familiarity, sarcasm and arrogance is not something that can be tolerated when you try to have a civil conversation with someone. You try to anger people and when they don't bite in your bail and continue to point what's wrong with this group, you just ban them.

Should I add that a lot of your members seems to fail into simple comprehension of English, seeing how they give answers that have absolutely nothing to do with the question asked. That, or they're just plain stupid.

You also say that the "wave of heat" has faded. For sure, you've banned everybody that didn't agree with you, they can't post anymore, now can they? I don't think FF has a clear idea of what you people are doing, if they did, I don't think your movement would last long.

You're not responsible of the purge going on on the site, we got it. But you are the reason why a lot of good writers decide to leave FF. I hope you're aware of this.

Kindly.

101 Name: Stranger : 2012-07-05 10:53 ID:5f9izozK

>>99: Your goal does not justify your methods, whether you like it or not. I have read what you post on your forum, and I must say, the first pages of your "Complain Threads" speaks for itself. When confronted with it, the only explanation you gave (I think it was Cha Aegis or you) is that those posts are two years old and that you don't review like this anymore. Fine, if you say so.

Now the condescending attitude that ALL and I really mean ALL (including your dear self) show when answering people on your threads doesn't sit well with me or anyone that reads what you post. Familiarity, sarcasm and arrogance is not something that can be tolerated when you try to have a civil conversation with someone. You try to anger people and when they don't bite in your bail and continue to point what's wrong with this group, you just ban them.

Should I add that a lot of your members seems to fail into simple comprehension of English, seeing how they give answers that have absolutely nothing to do with the question asked. That, or they're just plain stupid.

You also say that the "wave of heat" has faded. For sure, you've banned everybody that didn't agree with you, they can't post anymore, now can they? I don't think FF has a clear idea of what you people are doing, if they did, I don't think your movement would last long.

You're not responsible of the purge going on on the site, we got it. But you are the reason why a lot of good writers decide to leave FF. I hope you're aware of this.

Kindly.

102 Name: Krout : 2012-07-05 11:52 ID:5f9izozK

>>99: Your goal does not justify your methods, whether you like it or not. I have read what you post on your forum, and I must say, the first pages of your "Complain Threads" speaks for itself. When confronted with it, the only explanation you gave (I think it was Cha Aegis or you) is that those posts are two years old and that you don't review like this anymore. Fine, if you say so.

Now the condescending attitude that ALL and I really mean ALL (including your dear self) show when answering people on your threads doesn't sit well with me or anyone that reads what you post. Familiarity, sarcasm and arrogance is not something that can be tolerated when you try to have a civil conversation with someone. You try to anger people and when they don't bite in your bail and continue to point what's wrong with this group, you just ban them.

Should I add that a lot of your members seems to fail into simple comprehension of English, seeing how they give answers that have absolutely nothing to do with the question asked. That, or they're just plain stupid.

You also say that the "wave of heat" has faded. For sure, you've banned everybody that didn't agree with you, they can't post anymore, now can they? I don't think FF has a clear idea of what you people are doing, if they did, I don't think your movement would last long.

You're not responsible of the purge going on on the site, we got it. But you are the reason why a lot of good writers decide to leave FF. I hope you're aware of this.

Kindly.

103 Name: Krout : 2012-07-05 11:53 ID:5f9izozK

>>99: Your goal does not justify your methods, whether you like it or not. I have read what you post on your forum, and I must say, the first pages of your "Complain Threads" speaks for itself. When confronted with it, the only explanation you gave (I think it was Cha Aegis or you) is that those posts are two years old and that you don't review like this anymore. Fine, if you say so.

Now the condescending attitude that ALL and I really mean ALL (including your dear self) show when answering people on your threads doesn't sit well with me or anyone that reads what you post. Familiarity, sarcasm and arrogance is not something that can be tolerated when you try to have a civil conversation with someone. You try to anger people and when they don't bite in your bail and continue to point what's wrong with this group, you just ban them.

Should I add that a lot of your members seems to fail into simple comprehension of English, seeing how they give answers that have absolutely nothing to do with the question asked. That, or they're just plain stupid.

You also say that the "wave of heat" has faded. For sure, you've banned everybody that didn't agree with you, they can't post anymore, now can they? I don't think FF has a clear idea of what you people are doing, if they did, I don't think your movement would last long.

You're not responsible of the purge going on on the site, we got it. But you are the reason why a lot of good writers decide to leave FF. I hope you're aware of this.

Kindly.

104 Name: Krout : 2012-07-05 11:54 ID:5f9izozK

>>99: Your goal does not justify your methods, whether you like it or not. I have read what you post on your forum, and I must say, the first pages of your "Complain Threads" speaks for itself. When confronted with it, the only explanation you gave (I think it was Cha Aegis or you) is that those posts are two years old and that you don't review like this anymore. Fine, if you say so. The condescending attitude that ALL and I really mean ALL (including your dear self) show when answering people on your threads doesn't sit well with me or anyone that reads what you post. Familiarity, sarcasm and arrogance is not something that can be tolerated when you try to have a civil conversation with someone. Should I add that a lot of your members seems to fail into simple comprehension of English, seeing how they give answers that have absolutely nothing to do with the question asked. That, or they're just plain stupid.You also say that the "wave of heat" has faded. For sure, you've banned everybody that didn't agree with you, they can't post anymore, now can they? I don't think FF has a clear idea of what you people are doing, if they did, I don't think your movement would last long.You're not responsible of the purge going on on the site, we got it. But you are the reason why a lot of good writers decide to leave FF. I hope you're aware of this.

Kindly.

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