Best OC Fanfiction? (74)

1 Name: guest101 : 2010-08-21 12:08 ID:8KwnW+bD

I've recently read an OC Fruits Basket fanfiction and I think that it's the best one I've come across. Ever.

It literally keeps getting better chapter by chapter and it really sucks you in. It's called "Hopeless" by dark-ninja-ayane.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2361311/1/bHopeless_b

I think this may be the best OC story I've ever read for any fandom. O.O

Anyone else come across some amazing OC stories?

2 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-21 20:17 ID:fgALtkN6

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3363862/1/The_Black_Rose

This one is for Harry Potter. Warning that it is M rated. That is the only one NOT mine that I can think of.

3 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-21 20:26 ID:fgALtkN6

>>1 - This is not to offend, but... I'm going to disagree with that being a really good OC fanfic. Her being a member of the zodiac as the Grey Wolf, screams Mary Sue. All she does in the first chapter, is fight with the male canon characters. She lacks development.

4 Name: guest101 : 2010-08-21 21:03 ID:hI+pU5Lw

@Yemi Hikari
I followed this story since the very beginning, and at first, I thought that as well. I promise it won't be a waste of time to read the whole story. The OC character becomes extremely developed.

I thought the OC character was going to be a cracked out female version of Kyo (in other words, Mary Sue), but she's the farthest thing from it.

Of course, you don't have to take my word on it. Each person is entitled to their own opinion.

5 Name: guest101 : 2010-08-21 21:03 ID:hI+pU5Lw

@Yemi Hikari
I followed this story since the very beginning, and at first, I thought that as well. I promise it won't be a waste of time to read the whole story. The OC character becomes extremely developed.

I thought the OC character was going to be a cracked out female version of Kyo (in other words, Mary Sue), but she's the farthest thing from it.

Of course, you don't have to take my word on it. Each person is entitled to their own opinion.

6 Name: guest101 : 2010-08-21 21:04 ID:hI+pU5Lw

@Yemi Hikari
I followed this story since the very beginning, and at first, I thought that as well. I promise it won't be a waste of time to read the whole story. The OC character becomes extremely developed.

I thought the OC character was going to be a cracked out female version of Kyo (in other words, Mary Sue), but she's the farthest thing from it.

Of course, you don't have to take my word on it. Each person is entitled to their own opinion.

7 Name: guest101 : 2010-08-21 21:04 ID:hI+pU5Lw

Sorry for the triple post.

8 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-22 11:56 ID:fgALtkN6

>>4 - Talked to the author. From what I've talked to her about, her writing has improved over time. To me though, a good OC story has a good begining, middle, and end. I don't buy that a Wolf can be part of the zodiac, when there is none in the Japanese/Chinese zodiac legends. But, that's me. While some people may still like it, I felt it was kind of fair to forewarn them about those things. And if anyone wants to forewarn about things in the one I suggested, that's fine by me too.

>>7 - That happens. Press the button only once, and let it reset. It takes time, so be patient.

9 Name: guest101 : 2010-08-22 12:36 ID:hI+pU5Lw

@Yemi Hikari

I don't think you should judge before reading the whole story. The wolf was incorporated into the story beautifully. And who's writing DOESN'T improve over time? Considering that this story was first written in 2004 or 2005, like most other stories written over the course of years, a "weak" beginning isn't surprising. Personally, I believe that this has been a strong story since the beginning though.

Btw, this post wasn't meant to attack, so I'm sorry if it sounds that way. I'm just voicing my opinion.

10 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-22 16:17 ID:fgALtkN6

>>9 - Actually, most stories can be judged by the first chapter, or the first few chapters. There are a very select few that can't be judged that way, and perhaps this is one of them.

To me, the problem with the wolf, even if it was incorporated into the story 'beautifully', as you say, is there is no wolf in the zodiac legends. I was raised to have a great deal of respect for a cultures legends and myths, and that when one bases work on these legends, one is paying homage to the cultures the legends are from. I feel one needs to be careful what they do, simple as that. It's an old fic, written by the author when they were new to fanfiction, and many writers don't realize this kind of thing.

11 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-22 16:21 ID:fdd0sYrt

There is in the Native American zodiac. *shrug*

12 Name: A. : 2010-08-22 16:26 ID:N4CPR9DF

This is another really good OC fanfiction set in the Harry Potter fandom.

www.fanfiction.net/s/2500891/1/Diary_of_a_Siriusly_Skewed_Individual

No blonde/rainbow-haired/elven/elemental Mary Sues in this story, no siree!

This one's set in the Naruto-verse. Mind you, I read it forever ago so I can't recall that much about it. However, I did enjoy the story when I was reading it, and the OC wasn't all over the place/unrealistic!

www.fanfiction.net/s/2530695/1/Two_bTailed_b_bAngel_b

13 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-22 18:06 ID:fgALtkN6

>>11 - The Native American zodiac is different from the Chinese and Japanese one. Also, I think their zodiac is seasonal, not yearly. I wouldn't have problems with someone incorporating another zodiac into their fanfic, so long as you know that is what they are doing, and they do it well.

>>12 - The first was funny... saved it to read more later. The second one, don't know enough about Naruto for that one.

14 Name: saikon : 2010-08-22 19:44 ID:hI+pU5Lw

I just checked out the Fruits Basket fanfiction ("Hopeless") after seeing the conversation between Guest101 and Yemi Hikari.

Read through chapter 17 and I have to disagree with Yemi Hikari. The OC is in no way a Mary Sue and as Guest101 said, she really does develop nicely. Plus you can really see her writing get better by the chapter. Plot is also nice. Without a doubt one of the best OC stories I've come across IMO. Favoriting the story so I can catch up.

>>12 Also checked out the Naruto story. It was pretty good.

15 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-22 21:51 ID:fgALtkN6

>>14 - Shruggs shoulders. Even if the only thing the OC has that is a Mary Sue trait, is an English name, in a place where there are Japanese people, and it isn't explained, I label the character as a Mary Sue, because it has something not believable about it. There is such a thing, as a well written Mary Sue.

16 Name: guest101 : 2010-08-28 10:36 ID:8KwnW+bD

>>15 Then in your case, there would be no character that ISN'T a Mary Sue. I think the way you label your Mary Sues is a bit too extreme.

Once again, my opinion. Maybe I just label my Mary Sues too lightly. I just don't think that ONE Mary Sue trait should define the whole character as a Mary Sue.

17 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-28 10:58 ID:fdd0sYrt

Dammit, I'm a Mary Sue. My name is unusual.

18 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-28 19:48 ID:fgALtkN6

>>16 - Sorry, but I am going to have to say you're wrong in assuming "in [my] case, there would be no character that isn't a Mary Sue". The definition of believable is not "what is real". It means "capable of eliciting belief or trust". For example, a magicians tricks are not real, but they are believable to the eye of the beholder.

Something you have to understand is, I refuse to sit in the camp that chooses to classify traits as automatic Mary Sue Traits. For example, the fall into a fandom, is concidered by many a Mary Sue trait. I only feel this is so, when it isn't believable. In other words, it is possible to write this trait believably, and when done so, it isn't a Mary Sue trait. Even the trait that I pointed out about this fanfic, there are ways to make it believable.

Also, please don't mistake the term Mary Sue as an insult. New writers write Mary Sues because they don't know better. Some writers choose to write them on purpose. Others choose to parody them, or to take what is a known Sue Trait, and twist it so it is no longer a Sue trait.

Also, being told that one has written a well written Mary Sue, should be seen as a compliment, because it means there are a few minor believability problems, but they are easily overlooked. It is supposed to be a way to analyze fiction, particularly fanfiction, charactization wise.

>>17 - Sorry, but your name is not unusual for an online thread. Real people, who are given odd names, know that their names are unusal, and that their parents were odd in naming them that. A Suethor doesn't realize that the name is unusal, or they choose to write it tone wise as if it was normal. If an author comes up with a logical explanation as to WHY an odd name is used, and impliments it into the fanfic, it is believable, and NOT a Mary Sue trait.

19 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-28 20:32 ID:fdd0sYrt

A Mary Sue isn't someone who has one minor unexplained feature; it's about the rules of the universe bending to accomodate the Sue in a way that compromises the narrative and thus kills all tension. If I call a Harry Potter OC 'Windragon Swift', s/he isn't necessarily a Sue; s/he just has a dumb plot hole for a name. There's a huge difference between a plot hole and a character being used solely for wish-fulfilment. Calling a character a Mary Sue if s/he isn't is damn insulting, so I suggest that you stop.

20 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-28 23:23 ID:fgALtkN6

>>19 - I'll start by saying, I reread my last paragraph of my last post, and it could have been worded better, because likely it did not clearly convey what I meant, and it likely even gave a different meaning then I meant.

The name you picked, can actually fit within the Harry Potter univerce, and would be believable. However, if you were to go and use that name in a fandom like Outsiders, you would expect the characters to comment on such an odd name, even tease the character. When that doesn't happen, the name becomes unbelievable, because the characters are not following human logic, which governs nearly every fandom univerce. I was specifically though, refering to using an oriental name, in a fandom like Redwall, or an English name, for a good deal of Anime/Manga fandoms, but not all. Again, it defies logic and the rules of how the univerce works for the fandom, unless the author eplains it.

Also, while a good deal of Mary Sues are soley for wish-fullfillment, fact is, not all of them are... only in truth the worst of them. It is also possible, to have a wish fullfillment, that is not a Mary Sue.

I agree that calling a character that is NOT a Mary Sue one, is insulting. I saw it happen to one fanfic ever so long ago, and it has now been removed from the site, as the author got bullied about it. However, I hold it is not impossible to write a well written Mary Sue, nor is it impossible to write a likable Mary Sue. When it is a well written Mary Sue, it is NOT an insult to tell them that despite being a Mary Sue fanfic, that they have a good story.

21 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-29 05:56 ID:fdd0sYrt

I really don't understand your mindset. You invent your own definitions and then insist that everyone else adheres to them. Giving a Japanese character an English name and not explaining it does not destroy any sense of tension the reader gets as the plot develops; it's an example of poor writing, but it doesn't automatically make a character a Sue. It's often a warning sign that the character may well turn out to be a Sue, but you shouldn't confuse smoke with fire.

22 Name: guest101 : 2010-08-29 09:41 ID:hI+pU5Lw

>>18 The only issue that I have (in your case) with labeling the OC in "Hopeless" a Mary Sue is that you're only doing so because she's the wolf of the zodiac. With your logic, you're saying that simply because the author made her an animal that isn't officialy part of the original zodiac, she is a Mary Sue; if I were the author, I would find that insulting.

Also, if that were the case, then the cat of the zodiac would also be a Mary Sue character. The cat was inserted into the Chinese Zodiac purely because the author of "Fruits Basket" wanted to.

The insertion of a character into the story (such as the wolf) shouldn't be viewed as a Mary Sue trait and thus as a Mary Sue character because the author skillfully uses her to advance the plot. Her OC makes the plot of the story interesting and adds tension to the story.

The amazing thing about this story is that the author was able to incorporate her OC into the story without making the original characters OOC. She was able to combine both her and the original story's plots together pretty much seamlessly. You don't get the sense that you're reading an unbelievable story at all.

23 Name: saikon : 2010-08-29 11:27 ID:hI+pU5Lw

>>20 "However, I hold it is not impossible to write a well written Mary Sue, nor is it impossible to write a likable Mary Sue. When it is a well written Mary Sue, it is NOT an insult to tell them that despite being a Mary Sue fanfic, that they have a good story."

I still don't understand how Sayora (the OC in "Hopeless) is a Sue character. And I don't understand why you're calling her a Sue just because she's a wolf. You're just stereotyping characters based on your own definition of a Mary Sue. Even though I'm not the author of the story, I find that offensive.

" I wouldn't have problems with someone incorporating another zodiac into their fanfic, so long as you know that is what they are doing, and they do it well."

From what you said earlier in the thread, you're judging her story based on the first chapter which was supposed to serve as an introductory. Character develops as you read the story. They don't have to develop in the very first chapter. Major character development off the bat could make a stoy rushed.

24 Name: saikon : 2010-08-29 11:37 ID:hI+pU5Lw

>>20 Wrong quote.

"All she does in the first chapter, is fight with the male canon characters. She lacks development."

From what you said earlier in the thread, you're judging her story based on the first chapter which was supposed to serve as an introductory. Character develops as you read the story. They don't have to develop in the very first chapter. Major character development off the bat could make a stoy rushed.

Regarding the other quote... (" I wouldn't have problems with someone incorporating another zodiac into their fanfic, so long as you know that is what they are doing, and they do it well.")... you judged whether or not the author knew what she was doing based on the first chapter? Not too much to judge from for a 27 chapter story that she's been writing for 4/5 years. I suggest you read the story more before judging its worth. I also found that very insulting.

Also, regarding character development... this whole story was written to develop the OC character without ruining the story or the canon characters OR the original plot Fruits Basket. I don't understand how you can label such an OC a Mary Sue character. This author clearly has mastery over her writing plot-wise and character-wise.

25 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-29 12:33 ID:e3S1Ouui

I thought I'd just link this, 'cause this is what the thread is about.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5026261/1/Castle_Down

It was recommended to me on TVTropes, and my god, it is amazing. It's Ouran High School Host Club, and the OC is Kyouya's mother, whom the whole fic focuses on.

Very, very tragic.

(And please pay attention to those warnings; I wouldn't want someone to get too upset).

26 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-29 19:17 ID:fgALtkN6

>>23 & 24 - Why is it that the character is a Mary Sue, simply because she is not part of the zodiac legend? This is because the OC breaks the rules of the fandom to exist. Now, if it is only one or two things like this, then the Mary Sue tends to fall into the catagory of well written Mary Sues, that people enjoy reading, when it comes to fanfiction.

>>24 - Typically, the first chapter is a good tell sign of the quality of the fanfic. There are a select few that do get better, because the sentence structure gets better, and some characterizations skills get better. But these are far and few between.

To be fair, I tried reading farther... to chapter six. I commented on the fact that "all she does in the first chapter, is fight with the male canon characters. She lacks development." I unfortunatly have to hold with the fact she lacks character development, at least up to this chapter. She reads like a female Kyo, because of the way she acts, and the laungange she uses. (Which could be labeled a Copy Cat Sue to some degree...) Perhaps it does get better, in much later chapters, but... the more chapters it takes, the harder it is to keep a reader going and interested, and makes them wonder if it will really get better.

I also have to now question, what is the point of the character existing? She causes no change in the plot, yet logic dictates, adding or subtracting a character, will change the plot line.

>>25 - That was a good recomendation.

27 Name: NY : 2010-08-30 14:24 ID:bbLazL54

>>26 Dude, what're you talking about? The story is amazing. I don't know what you're talking about at all. The only time she ever read like a female Kyo was in the first chapter and maybe a bit in the second but that's it. I love the female lead. She's a strong character. It sounds like all you want is a second Tohru. What's wrong with the way she acts and her speech pattern? Based on your views, one could even argue that Uo is a female Kyo.

And character development? She develops as she's interacting with all of the characters. You DO realize that the beginning chapters are to establish the OC's relationship with all the other characters, right? But it seems like you don't understand because all you want is a rushed story because that's what you think makes a story good. The character develops at a nice pace and makes the story not feel rushed. Her relationship with each character builds on the beginning chapters because the beginning chapters set the foundation for the later ones. This makes the story very strong and the relations between the OC and each of the characters that much more believable.

And about your earlier comment "That is the only one NOT mine that I can think of"... That sounds a bit conceited... obviously you think that you're the only one who can write a good OC story and any story that doesn't follow your guidelines is crap.

28 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-30 16:55 ID:fgALtkN6

>>28 - Uo and Kyo's personalities are simular, but they don't have the same personality. For example, Uo is more inclined to be sociable, Kyo is not. The OC seemed to be following though, the same actions as Kyo in the Anime, like protesting at the same time, about not going on a date for Valentines. But, we may still continue to disagree on this one.

As for wanting a rushed story, that wasn't at all what I was talking about. I was talking about the fact that I don't want to read a story that is majorly simular, to the original story line, which, up to the sixth chapter that I've read, it's been like that. As I said, add or subtract a character, the events that transpire are of course going to change.

Appologies for that, as that was not my intentions. The fanfic I mentioned, was the only one I could think of, other then one of my own, that I could easily find, with a good OC in it. Actually, I don't think even my OCs could stand up to that one I pointed out. There is only one other I can think of, that was a good OC, and I've dug it out. http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1573303/watercrab has a great, well thought out OC for Avatar: The Last Airbender.

Part of the reason I was being critical, is because the title of the thread is "Best OC fanfic", which means that I should have been able to voice my opinion about whether I agree or not, and explain why I don't, just like people are free to do the same of mine. I figured it would have been open to some bit of crytical thought.

Of course, if it is "Favorite OC fanfics", "Enjoyable OC fanfics" or "OC Fanfic Recomendations", I could name quite a few OC fanfics.

29 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-30 17:49 ID:fdd0sYrt

People aren't irritated at you because you're being critical. They're irritated because you've just decided on your own definition of 'Mary Sue' and then imposed it on everyone else for no sensible reason.

30 Name: Marth : 2010-08-30 18:11 ID:Nex5E/yc

I dunno, Nonny. I'd say that "this OC does not fit into her world" is usually a good indicator of Sueishness. Not an automatic one, mind, but a good one.

However, in this particular case, guest101 already pointed out that Kyo's animal is not part of the Chinese zodiac. Rather than saying "Kyo is a Mary-Sue!" I think that that's an indicator that the zodiac in FB isn't real-world correct and, therefore, adding another animal isn't too big a stretch.

31 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-30 18:57 ID:fgALtkN6

>>20 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_zodiac#Zodiac_origin_stories

Yes, Kyo's animal, the cat, is not one of the twelve animals of the Chinese Zodiac. However, he is still part of the origin story, as is the emperor, which the character Akito represents. The most common one, which is also the one used in Fruit Basket, and is integral to the plot line of Fruit Basket, reads this way.

"The rat was given the task of inviting the animals to report to the Jade Emperor for a banquet to be selected for the zodiac signs. The cat was a good friend of the rat, but the rat tricked him into believing that the banquet was the next day. The cat slept through the banquet, thinking that it was the next day. When he found out, the cat vowed to be the rat's natural enemy for ages to come."

The wolf doesn't exist in the legend at all. The OC happens to be the protector of Akito, who as I said represents the emporor from the legend. By being an aditional animal character, this allows the wold OC to hug any guy of the zodiac, without resulting in them turning into their animal for. (But if they are hugged by a non-zodiac guy, this person would change.)

32 Name: guest101 : 2010-08-30 19:30 ID:8KwnW+bD

>>31 But the author doesn't make the OC one of the zodiac members just so she can hug the other characters without transforming. In fact, I don't think the author even once uses that as an excuse to allow the OC to hug the male characters. Is this the trait you believed made her a Mary Sue?

Quite honestly, I think you're being over-critical here... as long as the character adds to the story the author is trying to create and as long as it makes the story interesting, there's nothing wrong with adding another member to the zodiac. It's not like she's destroying the zodiac legend or twisting the fandom to fit her story. Her OC doesn't break any rules at all. Frankly, the OC being the protector/loyal guardian of God while trying to defy him adds a lot of mystery, suspense, and tension to the plot.

Also, by placing the OC in the position that she is in, it gives the writer a lot of room to maneuver the character around. Her relation with each of the members of the zodiac and her role in the story feels natural BECAUSE she is the wolf, but that doesn't make her a Sue. Each relation isn't perfect nor is it strained in an unrealistic way. I think that's some pretty damn good characterization on the author's part.

33 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-30 20:22 ID:fgALtkN6

>>32 - I am simply going to disagree. Particularly since in the six chapters I've now read, I don't feel the OC has added anything in the fandom, and is just there.

34 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-31 11:37 ID:fdd0sYrt

@30- That's the point, though; it's an indicator rather than proof, especially in the scenario we were discussing (i.e.: a Japanese character with an English name).

35 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-31 12:46 ID:fgALtkN6

>>34 - There are other things, espesully now that I've read a little furthur.

What is believable about an Japanese OC having an English name, particularly when they are a sibling of a canon character, whose family has used all Japanese names?

36 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-31 14:08 ID:fdd0sYrt

Ffs, an unbelievable feature =/= AUTOMATIC MARY SUE.

37 Name: TearThePetals : 2010-08-31 16:25 ID:hzaxCIf7

Two amazing Harry Potter OC fics are http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/hp_spy_01.html (warning, it gets very gruesome at times) and http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2297701/1/A_Merciless_Affection which portrays Severus Snape in an accurate way (i.e. as an arsehole).

38 Name: Marth : 2010-08-31 19:00 ID:Nex5E/yc

>>30 I wasn't disagreeing with you. That's where litmus tests and the like come in, because while a character with a particular Sue trait (like a name that doesn't fit) isn't necessarily a Sue, a character with a lot of such traits very well might be.

39 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-31 22:23 ID:fgALtkN6

>>37 - Those are both good fanfics, though not my-cup-of-tea and/or VERY long to get through.

>>30 - Of course you won't be disagreeing with yourself. Joke aside, which post were you really refering too? :<

40 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-31 23:58 ID:fgALtkN6

>>39 - My bad. I did it too. I meant >>38, not >>30...

41 Name: Marth : 2010-09-01 07:44 ID:Nex5E/yc

XD Aw, frig. I was referring to 34.

42 Name: Anonymous : 2010-09-01 08:33 ID:fdd0sYrt

Ah, I wasn't trying to imply that you were disagreeing with me on that point; I was highlighting that that was my disagreement with Yemi Hikari.

43 Name: Krayon : 2010-09-01 08:50 ID:kz16EC5m

>>37 I really liked the second one. The first one wasn't really my type.

>>25 Amazing story! Thanks for the post.

@ Yemi Hikari
I read the story (Hopless) up to chapter 24 (planning to finish it later) and I think I'm going to disagree with you about the OC being a Sue and that she doesn't advance the plot.

I'll admit that writing-wise, I've seen a few that have been better but I'm going to take into account that the author began this story when she was young. However, plot-wise, the story is incredible.

May I ask why you think the OC is a Mary Sue other than the fact that she is the wolf? I'm trying to understand your POV, that's all.

44 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-09-01 19:46 ID:fgALtkN6

>>43 - Part of it may be, I wasn't able to get past the sixth chapter, because eveything to me was the same plot practically as the original. So, that is going to have to be up to someone who has gotten past the first six to determine wether it follows the same plot as the story, or eventually develops into its own.

From what I gandered, and can't remember which chapter I read it in of the six, she has a seal apparently, which to me read too much like Kyo's seal on his alternate form. I could have misread, and there be no seal there, or the author has a different intention for it, or they forgot about it in the course of writing the fanfic.

Also, she's supposed to be the gaurdian of Akito. This makes no sense to me, as in Chinese myth, it is the Dragon who is the gaurdian of the emperor, and it doesn't seem to be needed at all.

Hopefully the first paragraph explains things better. As for my other two paragraphs, I haven't brought up the first one, and the second one, someone brushed under the rug as if it didn't matter, or at least that's what their words seemed to say.

P.S. - No... the author's writing isn't the best... I've seen ones that are better, and far better. But I've seen worse, and far worse too. It's where I expect a begining author to be. That being said, I also have to wonder, what would happen if the author were to go back, and look over the story, and try to improve it, or write a new version.

45 Name: annoyed : 2010-09-02 17:58 ID:oFTvJccY

@YEMI HIKARI
Would you please shut the hell up and get over yourself? You're trying to sound all intelligent but it's clear to the rest of us that you're not. Stop trying to "give advice". What you're really trying to do is hijack this great author's story and turn it into something that YOU would want to read. I've read all your posts and the only point you've made is that you don't like the story because you don't like the fact that the OC is a wolf, thus labeling her a Mary Sue. Not only is that rude, as Anonymous said in an earlier post, it's insulting.

Btw, please learn how to properly use commas.

46 Name: moonphase : 2010-09-03 13:23 ID:94DPTn9a

>>45, What do you mean 'us'? Don't speak for me!

Incidentally, I've read the argument and I think what Yemi Hikari is fine an valid. She is allowed to dislike or criticise the story. There's no need to bitch just because you love it.

I would say her arguments about the wolf are valid. She also mentions that the character does not develop or add to the plot. You may not agree with that, but she isn't just focused on the wolf issue.

Rude and insulting? You people are too easily insulted in that case. It's criticism, you don't have to agree with it but it does happen. Deal.

47 Name: moonphase : 2010-09-03 13:25 ID:94DPTn9a

And what do you mean by 'all intelligent' and "giving advice"?

Christ, god forbid someone doesn't like a story or character on here...ffs...

48 Name: moonphase : 2010-09-03 13:31 ID:94DPTn9a

>>46 Correction time:
"Incidentally, I've read the argument and I think what Yemi Hikari said is fine and valid."

Sorry for my writing guys. I type lightly and so miss letters very often, I'll start paying more attention or spell checking.

49 Name: Iaculus : 2010-09-04 03:36 ID:f1dKA+bv

Anyone else detecting the faint smell of socks in this thread?

50 Name: Anonymous : 2010-09-04 08:44 ID:uGlT0cXQ

Oh, I thought that was just my feet.

51 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-09-04 12:22 ID:fgALtkN6

>>49 - You're refering to the fact that someone tried creating a sock puppet for the thread? I wasn't wanting to be the one to bring it up, as I was the one being attacked. However, now that I go back and look, I have to say guest101 and saikon are the same person. And if they aren't, they have to at least personally know each other. And that, was where a good deal of this started.

52 Name: guest101 : 2010-09-04 13:07 ID:hI+pU5Lw

>>51 Saikon is my little cousin. And I wasn't trying to attack anyone so sorry if any of my posts sounded like I was.

And >>44, I wasn't brushing it off. I just thought that maybe you were too focused on that one point.

>>45 While I agree that the story is good, everything else you said was really unnecessary...

53 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-09-04 15:14 ID:fgALtkN6

>>52 - Thank you for posting again, and confirming that Saikon is your cousin, and not a sock puppet. I wouldn't say you or your cousin were attacking either, just that this was where a good deal of the debate started, and some of the other peoples comments got out of hand. Because you and your cousin used the same computer, you happen to have shared the same ID in the thread.

So, it was a bit concering, but I also didn't want to bring it up, and falsely accuse someone. But, when someone else brought up the fact that someone might be using sock puppets, I thought it was a good time to bring up the matter. That way, you could easily say it wasn't the case. For a good explanation as to why sock puppets are concerning, is because of what is known as the Ms. Scribe issue. You can read about the whole mess here.

http://wiki.fandomwank.com/index.php/The_Ms._Scribe_Story

Again, thank you for confirming what you did. :)

...

I appologize if I did come across as focusing on one point. There were various reasons I think that happened.

Writing and reading a Mary Sue isn't a bad thing either. Some, are actually quite enjoyable. I've read about half of the first part of "The Elisa Triology", which is an HP fanfic, that has tons of OoCness, and canon errors.

And rewriting a story, to make it better then before (I am working on doing that, for a couple of my stories), that is never a bad thing, and is what critisism is meant for. That, and to make it so that people don't repeat the same mistakes the next time around.

54 Name: A. : 2010-09-04 16:58 ID:Ul1/L/4i

@53
I've got to say, your link just provided me with hours of reading. Kudos to you.
I never would have thought that people would go that far with fandom.

55 Name: TearThePetals : 2010-09-05 06:01 ID:kFCyzUwI

I've just finished another great Harry Potter OC story, it (and its sequels) go from Marauder's Era right through to GOF (and as the sequels are WIPs will probably go further).
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1523391/1/Ebb_and_Flow

(And to think, I used to avoid OCs like the plague.)

56 Name: guest101 : 2010-09-05 16:09 ID:8KwnW+bD

Oh wow, read your link. Glad I got that cleared up then. My cousin often comes to my house, and once school starts, she'll practically be "living" with my family, so if we ever post under the same ID, that's why.

57 Name: NY : 2010-09-08 12:59 ID:bbLazL54

>>28 In that case, you could take half the characters out of the original story (such as Kisa, Hiro, Ritsu, etc) since they don't advance the plot. I still don't buy your argument but I'm not going to push the issue any further than that. All that'll do is start a war on this thread. I'll just leave it at: I think this story is great and you think it's crap.

>>44 I will agree that the writing isn't the best in the beginning. In later chapters, you can really tell that the writing improved.

58 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-09-09 23:34 ID:fgALtkN6

>>54 - Let's just say, I shake my head whenever I've read that, or the Cassandra Claire issue.

>>55 - I am going to ask, if it is slash, as I can't tell by the first chapter. I do think, a warning is needed, that it is M rated at least.

>>56 - Completly understood. You may want to give her a heads up too. :)

59 Name: tearthepetals : 2010-09-12 04:24 ID:yjI9y1TT

It's not slash. The rating is for violence more than anything.

60 Name: A. : 2010-09-12 11:17 ID:jRcLkbsY

@58 -- I really don't understand the Cassandra Claire issue. I've skim-read some of the articles people have of it, but I'm not entirely sure what she did wrong...

61 Name: Marth : 2010-09-12 15:33 ID:Nex5E/yc

>>60 She copied a large passage nearly word-for-word from someone else's published novel for one of her fanfics. And then she raised a big stink when FFN (rightly) kicked her off.

62 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-09-12 15:46 ID:fgALtkN6

>>59 - Thanks! :)

>>61 - Which was ironic, because she happened to have complained about a fanfic author having plagerized one of her fanfics.

>>60 - There is also the fact that she profiteered off her fanfics, by playing off the simpathy of her fans, when she had laptops stolen. Also, a lot of fanfic authors aren't happy that she got published, even though the fact that she plagerized was known. I say, leave her books out of the classroom, because it teaches students the opposite of what they're supposed to be learning, which is that you pay big time for plagerism.

63 Name: A. : 2010-09-12 19:02 ID:jRcLkbsY

@ 61 & 62 ~ Ah, I get it now. There was a ton written about it on some knock off Wikipedia-- I got through a bit of the first part, but got bored when it didn't state directly what she had done. ^^,

@ 62 ~ She profited by getting new laptops?

64 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-09-12 22:01 ID:fgALtkN6

>>63 - You're probabbly talking about encyclopedia dramatica, or something simular. You should try fan history wiki. It's how I was able to find out as much as I did.

As for the laptops... I think it is best to give a link to the information. http://www.fanhistory.com/wiki/Profiteering#Cassandra_Claire

65 Name: Anonymous : 2010-10-11 14:17 ID:sV2U36wW

Hmmm... I was surfing through threads for fun when I ran into this one. There was so much argument over the Fruits Basket story so I felt inclined to checked it out. To be fair, I read the whole story and here's my two cents on it.

I'm not a huge Fruits Basket fan, but all the cannon characters seem in character. Minimal OOCness if any at all. The beginning was a bit slow in my opinion but the story picks up in later chapters and her writing clearly gets better. The OC was okay in the beginning but develops immensely later in the story. As for plot, I'll agree with Yemi Hikari that it was the same as the original plot in the beginning, but the plot advances later on as well. As I said, growth of the author was clear as the story progressed. Overall, I would rate this story a pretty good 9/10 simply because of how good it was in later chapters (IMO of course).

I think the new fic she has up is a better gauge of her ability as a writer. Since it's an OC story, I'll post the link.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6390604/1/Fallacy

It's a Bleach fic in case anyone was wondering. Plot seems to be interesting and different. OC seems pretty good as well. Meh.

66 Name: Anonymous : 2010-10-11 14:17 ID:sV2U36wW

Hmmm... I was surfing through threads for fun when I ran into this one. There was so much argument over the Fruits Basket story so I felt inclined to checked it out. To be fair, I read the whole story and here's my two cents on it.

I'm not a huge Fruits Basket fan, but all the cannon characters seem in character. Minimal OOCness if any at all. The beginning was a bit slow in my opinion but the story picks up in later chapters and her writing clearly gets better. The OC was okay in the beginning but develops immensely later in the story. As for plot, I'll agree with Yemi Hikari that it was the same as the original plot in the beginning, but the plot advances later on as well. As I said, growth of the author was clear as the story progressed. Overall, I would rate this story a pretty good 9/10 simply because of how good it was in later chapters (IMO of course).

I think the new fic she has up is a better gauge of her ability as a writer. Since it's an OC story, I'll post the link.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6390604/1/Fallacy

It's a Bleach fic in case anyone was wondering. Plot seems to be interesting and different. OC seems pretty good as well. Meh.

67 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-10-14 23:17 ID:fgALtkN6

>>66 - Not to mention, I've talked to the author of the Fruit Basket fanfic personally. She too realizes that there are problems with her fanfic, and while she's grown as a writer, is suprised at how much attention her fanfics gotten despite having those few flaws in there. Part of it, she says, is what comes later, not the begining that really draws people in. I like how you rated it high for it's later development, rather then the early development, and was able to compare the two.

And yes, that story is a better gauge of what her writing is like now. You don't have to dig for it either.

68 Name: Anonymous : 2010-11-10 12:30 ID:sV2U36wW

>>67 I think some people were so obsessed with the story that they refused to accept your point of view and opinion of it. I thought you were justified in thinking the way you did but... you know how rabid fans can get.

From what you said, the author seems quite mature. It's pretty refreshing when an author can take criticism and admit to their mistakes. I'm wondering if the author plans on rewriting the beginning chapters of the story. The plot that comes later in the story is very good. If she goes back and rewrites a stronger beginning, this story could become a masterpiece (not "shakespeare" masterpiece or anything like that, but I'm sure you know what I mean).

69 Name: Anonymous : 2010-11-12 11:50 ID:wORjM5dr

Lovin' the Bleach fic. That Naruto one somewhere up there was pretty entertaining.

70 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-11-18 17:13 ID:fgALtkN6

>>68 - They are quite mature, particularly compared to some of their fans here. and you're right, rabid fans don't like negatives pointed out. cough Twilight cough They've thought about it, rewriting the begining chapters many times, but they aren't sure about it. She's kind of wanting to more focus on other fanfics in that regaurd and finnishing that one, at least that is what I got. Which cough makes the writer cough much different from Meyer cough

71 Name: Anonymous : 2010-11-19 12:45 ID:sV2U36wW

>>70 I'm sorry. I'm a bit confused by your response. My pathetic excuse of a brain hasn't been cooperating with me lately... mind restating for me? =P

72 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-11-20 00:02 ID:fgALtkN6

They are mature. They are thinking about rewriting it or not, but are more wanting to focus on their newer work.

73 Name: jyuuken114 : 2010-12-03 07:43 ID:C+zAPCSC

The best OC centric fanfic I ever read was:
Hana Ni Arashi by: Raina1, www.fanfiction.net/s/2430114 ; Fandom: Naruto.

In fact it is THE BEST FANFIC I ever read of any fandom. Very believable. Exceptional character development and all characters are IC.

OC is Katana Uchiha, daughter of Sasuke (and some random prostitute).
Trust me on this. It is purely a work of art. The author is even published.

74 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-12-04 01:49 ID:fgALtkN6

Ahh! I remembered one. Tons of OCs, though she did God Mode Stu one of the characters a bit. Red Witch's Misfit trilogy. It's a crossover between G.I. Joe and X-Men Evolution.

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