Swearing in Fanfics (55)

1 Name: Bitch Goddess : 2010-07-29 19:33 ID:oRVeqdRS

I recently got a review on my Boondock Saints fic telling me my characters were swearing to much (for the record in the 1st movie the "F" word was used over 200 times!).
This isn't the first time I've had someone tell me my characters either shouldn't swear alot or shouldn't swear at all; yet the majority of my stories have an average of MAYBE 1-3 swear words per 5-6 chapters with the exception of that particular fic.

So what do you guys think? Is it wrong to swear in your fics? Even if you think that the your character/the characters in your fandom would swear (or know they would swear)?

6 Name: Jen : 2010-07-30 07:10 ID:Z+RMKgvq

I started off swearing little, but now I use it a bit. In one fic the character swore a lot, but that was b/c everybody was reacting badly to some news she brought.

But in none of my fics do my charries swear all the time. In my main fandom, the most they say is the anime is darn/damn, so it's realistic for them to swear sometimes but not all the time.

7 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-07-30 20:24 ID:vEwMMnPT

While I don't bother to say a fanfic will have swear words in it, I do rate it accordinly. My number one rule for swearing though, is it IC or OoC for the character to use swear words? Is canon for the fandom, or not? Of course, there is throwing a darker side, onto some of the fandoms that are lighter. But... seriously... if a fandom has 200+ swearing, I don't get WHY someone complained.

8 Name: tiger002 : 2010-07-30 21:20 ID:d7yF+uAo

I agree, if it fits the character, go for it.

9 Name: Gin : 2010-07-31 04:32 ID:rfGLxmtW

>>6 Though of course, it depends on the subber. Mephisto, for example, sometimes uses more "colourful" language where Prismweapon would have used a simple "damn"...

Of course, people like Crow, or Plácido? For those with more forceful personalities, it would be IC for them to occasionally drop a curse here or there. Someone like Carly, or Aki: not really.

Agreed with other posters, swearing has to be IC, appropriate to the situation, and within the character's personality.

10 Name: Jen : 2010-07-31 14:38 ID:JTaSew5f

>>9 Eh, I didn't think about that. I mostly watched Prismweapon for subs before he quit, so I haven't seen a lot of swears in it yet.

I can't imagine Carly swearing, o.o I've made Aki swear a few times, but it was about Bruno... and jealosy... so yeah. You know how that goes.

I think the appropriate-ness of the situation is the most important, personally- because most anime/manga I watch/read is about preteens/teens/young adults, so even if they don't swear usually if the situation calls for it (I think) they would. Then again, some characters just don't seem like the type to swear in the first place.

11 Name: Bitch Goddess : 2010-08-02 16:52 ID:oRVeqdRS

I'm happy to know that for the most part we all think the same things. As I said, with the exception of that story I hardly ever swear in my fics (and let's face it even if my OC characters didn't swear, the canon characters still would, it would be extremely OOC for them to not).

>>3 Actually I do mention all of the kind of stuff in my A/N which makes the whole thing even more odd. I re-state the rating of my story and warn people about what makes it that rating (i. e. Rating: M for swearing, violence, and mild sexual situations).

12 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-02 18:56 ID:vEwMMnPT

>>11 - I think, some people are just idiots. I would rather people point out there is too much swearing when it happens to actually be out of character. Like the time I read an Inuyasha fanfic, (school AU), and Kagome was talking like a gangsta chick, and even wielding brass knuckles.

(...)

That is when it gets inappropriate.

13 Name: Jen : 2010-08-03 07:32 ID:oVzfRhli

Kagome being a gangsta chick who wields brass knuckles? Those two things don't belong in the same sentence as Kagome. I mean, I haven't seen much of Inuyasha and I've only seen up to where they defeat that lady of the hair person, but even then I can tell Kagome isn't that type of person.

I don't really like school AU's in general. Most of the time it'st just an excuse to pair EVERYBODY up, and I mean everybody, with this one bad villain going against the protagonist who wants the guy and never gets her happy ending and is stuck all alone, blah blah blah boring epilogue where they get married blah blah blah. Only a small percentage of the school fics I've read have actually been good.

14 Name: QueenSkellington : 2010-08-03 15:29 ID:Jml77dyk

As long as you give it the right rating (T and up) then it is fine with me, god knows I have slipped some cuss words in here and there to inhance the emotion in the story

15 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-03 19:32 ID:vEwMMnPT

>>13 - Your right. 'Those two things don't belong in the same sentence as Kagome.' However, there were a ton of reviewers eating it up, which... not to offend anyone, I found rather disgusting, that people are fine with... well, canon rape of the characters personalities like that.

I am not fond of them either, for the reasons that you state, and agree that only a small percentage of them actually are good. The other reason I don't like them, is fanfic writers try using it as an excuse to change things they don't like, or certain characters personalities.

16 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-08 23:50 ID:b6lbzC3r

It's fine to swear just make sure to rate it right...don't put it as K if it says the f word a lot. Plus, lot's of shows have that one character that swears a lot so I don't see the point in making them OOC just for that reason. Other than that for those characters that don't swear much it can be used to help people see how much of a certain emotion they have... if they don't like the use of swear words then they can blooper it for themselves!

17 Name: Nightlife666 : 2010-08-17 09:34 ID:QuSF6Aeg

Swearing is something adults do. They are just words we use to express frustration and anger. Some people may not swear because they never found the need to and good for them. Its a bad habit but it's one that most adults have. It makes the Characters human or real or however Animee writers view the characters.

18 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-17 22:56 ID:vEwMMnPT

>>17 - That didn't exactly awnser the question of if swearing is right or not right in fanfiction. It seems more about pointing out that it is all right in real life, and in original fiction, then anything else...

19 Name: Total Drama Addict : 2010-08-18 15:46 ID:93uq7Dro

well, i think swearing in fanfics depends on what your writing about. if there's swearing in the book or movie or tv show or whatever, then it should be okay. of course, i wouldn't put swears in any of my fanfics because i don't really feel comfortable doing that, and the closest to bad words that ever come out of my mouth are words like freaking, flipping, or crap.
i'm just saying that i'd be more okay with seeing swears in a TDI fic than in a Pokemon fic, of whatever show or book or movie or whatever you can think of that doesn't have swears in it.

20 Name: Bitch Goddess : 2010-08-19 15:13 ID:+fjx3+rs

>>16 Yes, I agree and I always rate my fics M if they have any adult content, including swearing. And the particular fandom I'm talking about has more than one character that swears constantly, they ALL do. It's part of it's charm for the cult that follow it :)

>>17 Yea, gotta agree with Yemi, didn't really answer my question...

21 Name: Marth : 2010-08-19 15:40 ID:i8mc5CPR

Even if it's accurate to the canon, I tend to look down on fics that are rated M for just swearing. If the rest of the content is T-rated (or K+ or whatever), it's just so easy to tone down the swearing that a higher rating seems pointless.

It may be a little hypocritical, but I don't feel the same way about fics that are rated M for violence or sex, because (in well-written fics, at least) those tend to be more integral to the story. If the plot of a fic revolves around swearing... Nine times out of ten, the first word of my review is going to be "Ugh."

On the other hand, I once told someone that they should bump their T-rated fic up to M because the single uploaded chapter had the f-word something like 30 times. The author wrote me back indignantly that, since teenagers said "fuck" in real life, it's okay to use it in a T-rated fic. Um, that's not how FFN's rating system works, sweetie.

22 Name: Gin : 2010-08-19 16:34 ID:FPo6ivL9

If I'm writing a fic that would otherwise be K+, and language would bump it up to T, then I deliberately tone down what the characters are saying -- or else use narrative to imply that somebody is swearing, but leave it open to interpretation.

If my fic is already a T, then there's no way in hell I'm going to raise it to an M just because some character decided to use the word "fuck", or something similar. I think I've done so three times in the story I'm currently writing, all in different chapters and with different characters -- but then again, I try to keep it appropriate to the situation: a guy stressed out because his brother is in critical condition; a kid deliberately trying to shock someone; somebody else expressing disgust in the only way he knows...

I don't even like swearing, so only use it when the story deems it necessary.

>>21 I agree with you about the M-rating and "plot" points... though under those circumstances, I'd probably hit the back button.
And that author needs a reality check, I think, plus teenager spans quite a few years (what's "acceptable" for 17-19 isn't acceptable for 13) which they don't seem to have taken into account.

23 Name: Gin : 2010-08-19 16:34 ID:FPo6ivL9

If I'm writing a fic that would otherwise be K+, and language would bump it up to T, then I deliberately tone down what the characters are saying -- or else use narrative to imply that somebody is swearing, but leave it open to interpretation.

If my fic is already a T, then there's no way in hell I'm going to raise it to an M just because some character decided to use the word "fuck", or something similar. I think I've done so three times in the story I'm currently writing, all in different chapters and with different characters -- but then again, I try to keep it appropriate to the situation: a guy stressed out because his brother is in critical condition; a kid deliberately trying to shock someone; somebody else expressing disgust in the only way he knows...

I don't even like swearing, so only use it when the story deems it necessary.

>>21 I agree with you about the M-rating and "plot" points... though under those circumstances, I'd probably hit the back button.
And that author needs a reality check, I think, plus teenager spans quite a few years (what's "acceptable" for 17-19 isn't acceptable for 13) which they don't seem to have taken into account.

24 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-19 17:14 ID:eGqmrurz

@23- Three year olds swear. The rating system is just FFNet covering themselves. Find me a teen who avoids M rated fics just because of the rating, and I'll honestly be amazed. Write what you deem necessary, give it the rating you deem necessary, and the same people will read it.

25 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-19 20:05 ID:V6fgdYmK

>>19 - I agree. Fandoms more geared towards children, the less I like seeing the characters swearing. I think it has to do with the fact, it is OoC for the characters, and the fandom.

>>21 - I also think that people should tone down the swearing, if swearing is the only thing making it an M rated fanfic. For many reasons.

As for that persons logic, that is so big of a logic fail, it isn't funny. While teenagers do in fact swear sometimes, the majority don't swear every ten minutes, even thirty minutes, unless they have terits. So, it wasn't that teenagers don't swear, it is that the abundance of swearing is inappropriate for a fanfic rated T, for thirteen plus to read. I wouldn't want my kids, if I had them, reading them, even if they were teenagers. I hope you reported the fanfic. I don't normally say that, but this is one of those cases, I think it necisary.

>>22 - When I have a K or K+ fanfic, I don't have the characters use the swear words, at least where the swear word is written, but I write that they do. And I think that when it is heavy swearing, I tend to cut it down to mentioning that the person said some REALLY inappropriate stuff.

>>24 - narrows eyes Most three year olds don't swear. I also doubt that the ones who do, actually know that they are using bad words either. Some of them are taught the bad words, because they are so innocent, when they do this. The majority though, will get there buts tarred, unless it is accidental. (Like one little kid I know, used to say firefuck, instead of firetruck.)

I wouldn't call the rating system fanfiction.net covering for themselves, as this rating system is NOT just used for fanfiction. Of course, if an unsupervized teenager wants to read an M rated fanfic, nothing will stop them. That is true.

But please... avoid backing it up with things like three year olds swear. That... just doesn't work.

26 Name: Bitch Goddess : 2010-08-19 20:44 ID:+fjx3+rs

>>21 Believe me, my fics (the one in question included) are rated M for more than swearing. If that were the only thing making my fic unfriendly towards younger people I would tone it down. And as far as swearing being integral to the story, normally I would agree that it is not and as I said in my first post I rarely swear in my other fics; however as the fic I'm talking about is a Boondock Saints fic the swearing may not be integral to the story, but it would be extremely OOC for the fandom characters not to swear. The plot does not revolve around the swearing, but the 3 main male characters are partially defined by their flamboyant use of swear words.
I also agree that that author must not operate on the same brain level as the rest of us...

27 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-19 22:46 ID:V6fgdYmK

>>26 - I say it is integral to the story, because it would be OoC for them.

28 Name: Bitch Goddess : 2010-08-20 06:46 ID:+fjx3+rs

>>27 You know what, you're right. As it is part of the characters' personalities it is integral to the story for them to swear.

29 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-20 18:51 ID:eGqmrurz

@25- Give evidence that most three year olds don't swear. The rest of that paragraph has nothing to do with your point.

Who's to say that other authorities don't use their ratings systems for the same purpose?

Now that you have given your opinion, please back it up with the relevant evidence. If you wish to discard a point I have made, provide grounds other than a vague 'that... doesn't work'. Otherwise, keep quiet.

30 Name: Jen : 2010-08-21 17:29 ID:N3e7sNQB

I don't swear a lot, and if I do it's probably just a light 'darn it'. I'm fine with stories that have heavy swearing, but I'd rather stay away.

Personally, I don't think that fics should be rated M just for much swearing (unless it's every other word, and is just filled with swear words). If there's violence and gore and more things really not suitable for children, I get it. But just swearing, I don't think it's needed.

31 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-21 20:08 ID:V6fgdYmK

>>29 - Does my last paragraph have nothing to do with my point? I think it does. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100813004329AAoPNpQ I am NOT the only person saying this. I also happen to have take child development classes, and I have worked with various three year olds. In a typical class, out of twenty to thirty students, you get one to three that have potty mouths.

As for the rating system, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_picture_rating_system. Rating systems were not developed for people to cover themselves, they were created to be a guide. So, if you write something that you know most thirteen year olds shouldn't read, but a sixteen year old can, it is your job to appropriatly assign the rating for their protection. I also suggest reading post 80, on this thread. http://www.fanbbs.net/fan-works-culture/kareha.pl/1274622713/

I wasn't simply stating my opinion, I was stating facts that I thought most people knew already, that were common, logical knowledge. Then, perhaps it wasn't.

>>30 - Right... a little bit of swearing... make it a T rated fanfic. Some swear words can be used in a K+, sparingly, but not many.

32 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-22 07:05 ID:eGqmrurz

@31- Oh dear. You cannot present a logical argument.

Your point was that 'most three year olds don't swear'. You backed this up by saying that 'those who do don't know why'. That statement does not support your conclusion, and is therefore irrelevant.

Your evidence is anecdotal and is contradicted by other anecdotal evidence. What a conumdrum.

The wikipedia article you linked to explains the reason ratings systems were designed, not why they were appropriated. That fanbbs post is not credible...

33 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-22 07:13 ID:eGqmrurz

... evidence, although if it were, it would actually back my point up, as it says that fanfic.net removed stories, despite the fact that they were correctly rated, to protect themselves from attack.

Your definition of 'facts' is not the official definition. Please do not say you are using logic; you are not. A sulky ad hominem (in this case, implying that I am ignorant) does not disguise your lack of logical argument.

Again, I request that you learn to argue, or keep quiet.

34 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-22 11:04 ID:V6fgdYmK

>>32 & >>33 - And I don't think you even read everything I said or posted, only dug out what you felt supported your point, or made my points look useless.

The fact that I've worked with three year olds, and have had child development classes that say the same thing as that one link I posted is not a mute point. It is normal for a three year old to mimic the words they hear. Most parents, when they find out their kid has learned a swear word, break the child of the habit, instead of letting them be a potty mouth.

That article is evidence that is the reason guidelines are supposed to be in place.

I wasn't using that fanbbs as evidence that rating systems aren't used to cover for people, I was using it as evidence to back up that we should appropriatly rate our fanfics. In other words, if your writing a fanfic that is not suitible for most thirteen to fifteen year olds, don't go rating it T... rate it M.

...But, if you think about it, if a rating system WAS good enough to cover for them, they would NOT have had to removed MA content. So, that should go without saying, a rating system isn't something that is good for covering up.

As I recall, you were trying to say earlier, that it didn't matter what you rated things, because three year olds swear. You also made a statement that the ratings systems are there for only covering people for liability. These were rather bold statements, weren't they, with no proof to back them up?

35 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-22 11:58 ID:eGqmrurz

@34- " And I don't think you even read everything I said or posted"

Ad hominem

"only dug out what you felt supported your point, or made my points look useless."

Nope, I'm only responding to points relevant to the argument. I am sick of people on fanbbs thinking they're arguing when they're just opining angrily. It must stop, because it prevents the intelligent exchange of ideas from taking place.

"The fact that I've worked with three year olds, and have had child development classes"

It's also anecdotal evidence in this context. The rest of your paragraph has nothing to do with the argument.

"I wasn't using that fanbbs as evidence that rating systems aren't used to cover for people, I was using it as evidence to back up that we should appropriatly rate our fanfics."

The fic in question WAS appropriately rated; your argument is a non sequitur.

"...But, if you think about it, if a rating system WAS good enough to cover for them, they would NOT have had to removed MA content. So, that should go without saying, a rating system isn't something that is good for covering up"

My argument was that the purpose of a rating system is a cover. That does not automatically mean that a rating system always fulfils its purpose. Once more, your argument does not contradict mine and is irrelevant.

"As I recall, you were trying to say earlier, that it didn't matter what you rated things"

Actually, this is the argument we are supposed to be having. You have provided no evidence to contest this opinion.

"because three year olds swear"

Google 'three year old swear'; there is plenty of evidence from a variety of sources. 'Three year olds' is a plural. If more than one three year old swears, then three year olds swear. More than one three year old swears. Therefore, three year olds swear.

"You also made a statement that the ratings systems are there for only covering people for liability"

Perhaps I should have stated my logic for this rather than expecting others to make the intuitive leap.

Three year olds swear.
Ergo, they are already continually exposed to swearwords.
Ergo, a system which blocks them from swearwords does not actually block them from swearwords, as those swearwords have already been internalised.
Ergo, a ratings system should not exist to block three year olds from swearwords
Ergo, a ratings system should exist for some other purpose

I have then stated what I believe is the purpose. I am glad you are finally arguing logically on this one point; I shall provide some evidence that backs up my statement shortly (I must eat).

"These were rather bold statements, weren't they, with no proof to back them up?"

You are referring to a mix of statements and opinions there, and there is plenty of evidence available for the first statement (I would even go so far as to suggest that there IS proof).

36 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-22 12:23 ID:eGqmrurz

"Some NC-17 material was moved to AdultFanFiction.net, a similar site which was created to serve the adults who write R and NC-17 rated fan fiction"

AdultFanfiction.net is no more difficult to access than Fanfiction.net. The only difference is that one must click on a button stating that one is over the age of 18. This is not something that is impossible for one under the age of 18 to do. It is, however, something that is impossible for one under the age of 18 to do truthfully. We can therefore conclude that the site aims not to stop those under the age of 18 from viewing 18+ fics, but to ensure that they are doing so dishonestly. This does not protect the underage reader in any way, but it provides the people who own the site with a good defence.

37 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-22 18:15 ID:V6fgdYmK

>>35 - I am officially choosing now to ignore you, because I think you are the same person starting stuff on other threads, just to turn things into a heated debate, when they don't need to be.

38 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-22 18:28 ID:eGqmrurz

Heated? Hardly. Argument is enjoyable sport. If one is going to state one's opinion, one should be able to back it up with logic, evidence and reason. Yet again, you have used a personal attack (a fallacious one, I might add; I'm classy) in absence of an argument. The OP asked for opinions, you instantly dismissed mine, and then got angry when I backed mine up and you couldn't back up yours.

I mean it, fanbbs. This practice of confusing debate with fighting is dreadful and must stop.

39 Name: Gin : 2010-08-23 01:20 ID:5ejEQy17

How about you take your own advice, Anon, and stop using "debate" interchangeably with "argument"? Sometimes the word "argument" is synonymous with "debate", however this is not always the case - for example, an argument can also be a quarrel (the sense most people are familiar with), a summary of the plot/subject of a book, or - in mathmatics - an alternative name for an independent variable. With your fondness of evidence, I'd also like to cite these definitions as coming from the Collins Concise Dictionary, fourth edition.

Also, the close reading you so seem to favour? Yemi's words were "Most three year olds don't swear" - yours, a sweeping statement based solely on rules of grammar. This does not work. Yes, there will be more than one three-year old who swears in the world -- so what? Your wording is inaccurate, and your use of "deductive logic" unstable. Man might be mortal, and Socrates a man, hence Socrates also mortal*; but simply the process of putting together two true claims does not guarantee an accurate conclusion to be drawn from them. In this case, using a law of grammar to put together the argument, "Three year olds swear," is not "backing up" your opinion in a reliable manner: not every three-year old swears. If children are not exposed to these words, then how can they learn them? Assuming there is even a single three-year old in the world who does not swear, then your claim is invalidated, because it is statistically wrong. Similarly, increase the population size of these non-swearing three-year olds... I think you understand my point.
*paraphrased from the wikipedia page on Deductive Reasoning.

I also think your arguments are just as flawed and unbalanced, and that anecdotal evidence can be a powerful tool in the process of discussions of this nature, since we are (probably- you can't always tell with the internet) not researchers who are carrying out a study on child development... but that is a personal opinion.

What Yemi has said is not, in my eyes, a personal attack -- she honestly believes that you are the same Anonymous poster who is being condescending to other users on other threads, a fact not assisted by your seeming reluctance to give yourself a name beyond the ID code (hence I'm calling you Mrurz from now on). The ID codes are different, making it unlikely (although not impossible) for you to be the same individual.

...And I'm afraid I must disagree about you being classy. Ellipsis has the art down much, much better than you, Mrurz.

40 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-23 02:14 ID:eGqmrurz

Firstly, being obtuse about the definition of argument in this context does not lend any strength to the argument that Yemi has yet to give.

My original statement was 'three year olds swear'. Yemi's attempt at opposing this was 'most three year olds don't swear'. This statement did not contradict mine; I showed why.

Your argument does not make sense. My claim is not invalidated by the existence of a non-swearing three year old. If one says 'computers crash', and yours has not crashed, does that mean...

41 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-23 02:23 ID:eGqmrurz

... your computer is not a computer?

If my argument is flawed, prove it. Anecdotal evidence is fine in discussion, but should not be used in an argument, because it is so easily argued against.

Trying to associate me with someone who has been condescending on other threads is a personal attack. It does not make a difference whether Yemi 'believes' it or not.

There ARE errors in my argument; this is a game. Unfortunately, people are choosing to get angry and personal instead of arguing back.

42 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-23 09:32 ID:V6fgdYmK

>>39 - "...since we are (probably- you can't always tell with the internet) not researchers who are carrying out a study on child development..." I may not have carried out a major study, but the person completly ignored the fact that I said I've worked with three year olds AND have taken child development classes.

"The ID codes are different, making it unlikely (although not impossible) for you to be the same individual). The codes change from thread to thread, for each person, not to mention, over time they change too. So, it is problematic... it doesn't suport of disuport anything. Believe me... I tried looking into them.

"Ellipsis has the art down much, much better than you, Mrurz" That person at least knows when to stop, and when they are only being funny for themselves.

43 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-23 09:32 ID:V6fgdYmK

>>39 - "...since we are (probably- you can't always tell with the internet) not researchers who are carrying out a study on child development..." I may not have carried out a major study, but the person completly ignored the fact that I said I've worked with three year olds AND have taken child development classes.

"The ID codes are different, making it unlikely (although not impossible) for you to be the same individual). The codes change from thread to thread, for each person, not to mention, over time they change too. So, it is problematic... it doesn't suport of disuport anything. Believe me... I tried looking into them.

"Ellipsis has the art down much, much better than you, Mrurz" That person at least knows when to stop, and when they are only being funny for themselves.

44 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-23 10:08 ID:eGqmrurz

Your statement was ignored because it was irrelevant.

This isn't about 'being funny'. This is about teaching people how to argue convincingly, because I am sick of people here stating opinions, not being able to back them up, but getting angry when others disagree. It's a problem with our modern culture- everyone is encouraged to believe that his/her opinion is the most important, and that s/he must impose it on others, however ill-informed s/he is. They cannot argue, yet they expect others to listen.

45 Name: Piccylo : 2010-09-25 11:22 ID:+ykkwR6f

-Bypassing stupid argument. Cleared to make on-topic post.

I've never been nagged for having people curse in my fics. Then again, I always try to put warnings up for it and rate it appropriately.

But I've been nagged by strangers not to curse, which is the same thing as far as I'm concerned, and I'm never nice to these people. If there are children present, I immediately remind them that they've heard worse from their fathers. I don't have much tolerance for pointless censorship and those who support it.

46 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-09-25 19:41 ID:V6fgdYmK

>>45 - I have to say, it is NOT the same thing. Just as you have the right to say what you want, people have the right to say what they do and don't want to hear. That is NOT censorship.

Aka, your own personal rights end, where another persons begins. You can't go yelling fire in a crowded movie theater, when there is none, and you can't go yelling obsenities in a public place either, or blasting your music through a neighborhood late at night. And again, not censorship here.

Also, the reason for not cursing around children isn't so much about them learning bad words, it is about teaching them more constructive ways to deal with anger and proper ettiquite. Not to mention, not all of them will have heard worse from their own parents.

47 Name: Piccylo : 2010-09-25 21:54 ID:+ykkwR6f

>>46

Funny, that's not what they tell me. They believe that it's the words themselves that are bad, and tell me that precisely they don't want them learning the words. They are certain their little angels with their virgin ears never heard them before.

And did I say I yelled obscenities in public? Perhaps these people came up to me because I said some "bad words" to the person beside me (the person I was having a conversation with) and they butted in to tell me I was speaking inappropriately. This was once followed by how I'm going to go to hell for my godlessness (ah, Bible Belt, innit great?). I guess I should have cleared that up in the earlier post, but because I say "damn" in a supermarket to a friend, does that put my actions on par with yelling "fire" in a movie theater?

I'm having a hard time believing there's even such a thing as "bad words". Just "words that aren't allowed on TV".

48 Name: KatonRyu : 2010-09-26 04:19 ID:Z/KZW4cl

>>47 I've actually had something like that happen to me at school. The funny thing is that I wasn't even talking out loud. We were in the computer room for some project, and I had to send my friend some file. We have the habit of calling each other stuff like 'dickhead' in mails, just for fun. Turned out that we were being traced by the desk bimbo, who told us we couldn't use swear words in our PRIVATE conversation.

49 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-09-26 12:19 ID:V6fgdYmK

>>47 - And now I get what your saying. I would say that I good deal of kids have heard at least some form of curse word in their early life. However, there are some children that really are that sheltered. While I think the parents are being over protective, I still respect that.

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It is a good question. Is there such a thing as a bad word?

1.) While I find it improper ettiquite to say words like damn and shit, I can't see them as actually being bad words.

2.) Then we come to the words that have the literal meaning of something bad. Like the word fuck. When someone says, "that's fucked up," that is fine, but when it crosses the line and someone says "go fuck yourself", it takes on the actual literal meaning, and also garnishes the negative.

3.) We then have words like nigger. I think this sums it up best. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger

So, I would say no word is inherintly a bad one, unless someone can give an example why. It is how it is used that makes it a bad word.

>>48 - While you have a valid point. I personally think that if enough mailings were seen, one could easily assume it is just two kids goofing off and having fun. I wish to bring something up though.

However, if it is only one mailing and one case that they saw, how are they going to know they don't have a case of cyber bullying going on? Of course, in my oppinion, I wish that they would catch the cyber bullying, rather then things like this.

50 Name: Piccylo : 2010-09-27 09:46 ID:ESi7g0eB

>>49

To be honest, I can't say I can respect sheltering kids. I might be convinced certain subjects to certain ages, but on a standing rule, I think a lot of sheltering hurts and/or embarrasses the kids (and the parents) in the long run. It might just be a moderation thing, hard to say.

I wish someone explained to me the word "nigger" when I was a kid instead of assuming I never hear the word (while living in Eastern Kentucky) or could POSSIBLY understand it at the age of maybe 5, thus allowing to give a really uncomfortable time for my mom when I was playing with a toy from Burger King (if any of you remember those mascot kids they had), a little black boy, and when a receptionist lady asked "What is that you're playing with?" I innocently responded "a nigger" because I thought that's what black people were normally called, and another adult outright called that toy I had "a toy nigger".

And I don't see a good excuse for a girl to get to college and have to interrupt a professor in the middle of a lecture to ask what a clitoris is, and I know a girl who did that. She was so sheltered that she was socially crippled for most of her college career, and it didn't reflect well on her grades, either.

YAY EDUCATION!

51 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-09-28 00:28 ID:V6fgdYmK

>>50 - It deals with age, personality and any special needs, not to mention knowledge retention level. If I ever have kids, I can see myself telling and explaining things to each one at their own rate, because they'll get things at different rates.

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I had a simular experience in Elementary school. I was making playing with my hands, making animals with them, and created my favorite dinosaur, a brontosaurus. Someone got mad because they thought I gave them the middle finger.

Of course, I asked them what that was, and when they told me, I flat out told them it is stupid to assume that because one finger is pointed at someone, that someone is giving them the finger, but thanked them for telling me that bit of info.

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I can see some people not knowing what it was, but... if it is a college class, then I would also assume that it was someone withing the text book or literature she was reading for the class. And if not, I don't understand why someone would ask, because there should have been context clues. Right?

52 Name: Piccylo : 2010-09-28 08:25 ID:ESi7g0eB

>>51

>I can see some people not knowing what it was, but... if it is a college class, then I would also assume that it was someone withing the text book or literature she was reading for the class. And if not, I don't understand why someone would ask, because there should have been context clues. Right?

Actually, the class was Chemistry if I recall correctly, and the subject the professor was lecturing on at the time wasn't remotely connected, so what prompted her to ask a professor in the middle of an unrelated lecture in the first place is a mystery. Really confused the professor, too.

53 Name: Jen : 2010-09-28 15:07 ID:mFp380Q9

I just think sheltering kids is a bad idea. Telling them way too early would be bad, but there's this certain age in the middle that is appropriate.

I also feel that parents should somehow take a part in just telling their children these kind of things. Most kids dont' need it and just find out about these things by themselves (and some of them take advantage of kids that don't), but other times the kid finds out a bit too late.

54 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-09-28 15:16 ID:V6fgdYmK

>>52 & 53 - Yup. Have any of you heard about The Eliza Trilogy? I really meant to bring it up in my last post, however, I forgot too. If you do some research into the fanfic author, you find that she was in fact really sheltered, and this led to her being socially aqward... though some people who actually knew her say her younger sister turned out all right.

I think it comes to a parent paying close attention to what they're child is doing. My mom thought that she had over sheltered me when I was growing up. However, concidering where I grew up, the safetly precautions she put in place were completly understood. I think a parent being safety minded is different then sheltering them.

I mean... I really doubt parents that let their kids watch news and awsnered the questions as they cropped up, not to mention read them Sherlock Holmes as a child... and let them watch old PBS myster are really sheltering their kids. I think the things that I learned from other kids were more because my mum didn't know about them, more then anything.

55 Name: Chris000 : 2010-11-06 09:15 ID:igz/GTak

This one's actually a good topic. Ever since a few months ago I decided to up the ante for my stories and decide to make my fandom more for adult viewers, and I DO NOT mean in THAT way! I used harsher language, darker themes like racism, conspiracy, and a man on the run that make up your shady movies. Swearing is a part of this; I have been using strong language for around five years in my writing, but in my opinion, strong language accents a strong situation. Since I write military science fiction, soldiers swear. Big surprise!

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