Guys vs. Girls Reading Fanfiction...? (28)

1 Name: Sasue~ : 2010-07-21 20:13 ID:ZEohWDuP

What do you suppose is the ratio between girls reading fanfiction to boys reading fanfiction? I'd say 60:40. You?

2 Name: セーラーエリスは刀の女ですか。 : 2010-07-21 23:17 ID:6rUNG08B

the statistics says 80%+ girls

3 Name: fan-to-fiction : 2010-07-22 13:30 ID:jtyq0GOu

Yes indeed. There are more girls reading and writing fanfiction than there are boys.

DOes anyone know why?

4 Name: Fnick's Witness : 2010-07-22 14:12 ID:IsDLc0sa

I'm pretty sure it's because most guys use the internet for video games. Girls on the other are more like bookworms, so they're the ones who mostly read fanfiction.

5 Name: Fnick's Witness : 2010-07-22 14:12 ID:IsDLc0sa

I'm pretty sure it's because most guys use the internet for video games. Girls on the other are more like bookworms, so they're the ones who mostly read fanfiction.

6 Name: moonphase : 2010-07-22 14:25 ID:adF8ZtoO

It's most likely because of pornography. Girls tend to read romantic and 'racey' novels to get turned on, whereas guys tend to watch porn. That's why there is so much smut on fanfiction (it's what ff is notorious for.)

I don't think girls are more likely to be bookworms over guys, or fanfic.net would house a lot more literary work.

7 Name: Gin : 2010-07-22 14:29 ID:QqPVOKrx

>>4 That's a very sweeping statement -- I know plenty of male bookworms, and a large number of female gamers. Also, when taking into account things like romance fics... (I think you can see where I'm going with this one.)

I don't think it's possible to say "why", per se. It just is.

8 Name: Jen : 2010-07-23 16:37 ID:Mdl8eOG2

Well, for teenage fangirls, they enjoy writing bad fics and stuff for their fandoms that aren't actually any good. I'm not saying this is true for everything, but it's more likely for a girl to write a karaoke fic (karaoke, not songic) than a guy, in my opinion. Take away all that horrible fangirling, and I think that ratio would get a bit more even. But there are good writers who are fangirls out there. Just... many fangirls are un-literate and abuse the english language and makes characters insanely OOC just so that that so-and-so and so-and-so can get together.

I'm not saying that guys are always good or anyhting, either. It's just in general, out of the guys on fanfiction, a bigger section is literate, because they probably start fanfiction later. Or something.

Gosh darn it, I look over that I don't make much sense. o.o I'll just second Gin and say that it's hard to just say "why".

As for post #4- I am a female gamer.

9 Name: ... : 2010-07-23 17:02 ID:8XtGEVSw

Women tend to have stronger language skills than men. This gender gap is evident in childhood through adolescence (since adults don't take standardised tests, it's difficult to ascetain whether or not this levels out in adulthood), and the majority of fanfiction authors/readers are teens. Generally, those with stronger skills in a field tend to play frisbee in that field. Moonphase is also correct in that men usually prefer visual pornography, whereas most women prefer words.

Let us imagine a teenage girl. We shall call her Mabel, or by her fanfiction.net alias, Pingu-chan. (I have no idea if there is a real Pingu-chan or not. Probably. Oh well. All similarity is unintentional, etc etc etc.)

Pingu-chan loves pairing her manga crushes, Light Yagami and Kyo Sohma together. None of the boys in her school are hawt and strong like Kyo, or cool and clever like Light (except that WoWer, but he isn't hawt so we'll ignore him). She therefore writes steamy tales of their exploits, which she shows to her like-minded friends, and they all have a good giggle and swoon a bit. Pingu-chan does not need punctuation, spelling or grammar for this. WHATS UR PROBLEM IF U DONT LIKE DONT READ SHEESH!

Now let us imagine Rob. Rob doesn't write or read fanfic to get his rocks off, because the porn industry already caters to the fantasies of fourteen year old boys. Why would he read a Lara Croft X Tifa Lockhart femslash when he can watch REAL women at it?

10 Name: ... : 2010-07-23 17:06 ID:8XtGEVSw

(I use the term 'real' loosely)

11 Name: Theana : 2010-07-23 17:52 ID:QZ/l/hKD

Maybe it's because girls in general love to create things; a female's nature is to create, stemmed from her natural purpose to bear offspring, and that has given way for other things to be created as a sort of outlet for that natural need. Unconsciously. I think that may be going too deep into it, but that's just one theory in my mind. And girls/women naturally think more than men about things, place more importance over feelings than logic, and what better way to express them than to write them down for the public to read? Almost like a diary for women. And again, going back to writing as an outlet for creative need; plus, a story is creative as an art form.
So, ladies bother with thinking up fantastic plots for romance, friendship, family etc because they care a lot about those genres/themes within them. Especially infatuated, pre-pubescent teenage girls. But just because of that doesn't mean that men aren't capable of such emotions or creativity as women are. There are a fair number of male writers who can be more creative than some women, and much more imaginative.

But anyway, fanfiction has become a water-hole for teenage girls mostly, and boys being boys they don't probably don't feel it's worth bothering to load their stories on an insubstantial site where they won't get paid for their work. That, or they just don't like bothering anyway, and/or they don't care as much as girls. Which..is the same thing :p
One last thing I'd like to say is is that the statistics on the number of males and females who read/write fanfiction doesn't measure creativity necessarily. It only measure attendance in the end, correlating interest levels.

12 Name: ... : 2010-07-23 18:59 ID:8XtGEVSw

@11- I'd say that without any sociological studies to back that hypothesis (it's not a theory) up, one cannot say that either sex is more predisposed towards creativity. Historically, men have the creative edge, but this is, of course, offset by the sexist cultural bias spanning millennia. For what it's worth, anecdotally, the desire to create seems evenly spread, just manifested differently. In general.

Also, just a quick reminder- both a male and a female are needed in order to create a child.

13 Name: Iaculus : 2010-07-24 07:15 ID:gM/935OG

>>12 Not according to recent medical science. That's a tad resource-impractical at the moment, though.

14 Name: ... : 2010-07-24 09:37 ID:8XtGEVSw

True, true, but shush unless you want the radical separatist feminists to hear you...

15 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-07-27 13:35 ID:YQ58iesr

Most of the people I know who write fanfiction, including myself, and read it, are females.

16 Name: XxObsessivexX : 2010-08-09 06:43 ID:HPWLoVnx

i cant tell for certain, but i see alot of girl ff writers and accounts. and they have no problem writing smut or anything. and there are some guys who dont mind writting a non smut thing.

17 Name: Silvore : 2010-08-09 17:58 ID:0tDiPkwz

I think the reason more girls read/write fanfiction is because for one thing, girls read more books. If one doesn't like to read fiction books, it probably has little to do with plots, as there are a wide variety of books, but the fact that they just don't like it. (Go down for futher discussion "*") If one doesn't like reading in general, why would they want to read online stories, even if it is based off of a topic other than a book? And the majority of people (teens, since it is the majority of fanfiction) who don't like reading fiction are boys.

  • Sure, it does have something to do with plot. A person who doesn't like reading have just had bad plot experiences earlier, so they think all books are the same. But by fact, men are more stubborn than women, so they are less reluctant to try a better plot choiced book in this case.

18 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-09 18:52 ID:YQ58iesr

>>17 - What exactly are you trying to say there, You say one thing, then in the bulleted point, you pull out that disproved what you said in the first place.

19 Name: Anonymous : 2010-08-11 18:47 ID:fy8Y1/uJ

It's an interesting discussion but people are kind of generalizing when it comes to gender stereotypes. It's not a matter of women or men being more intellectual or well read or even what kind they do to get their rocks off. It's a simple matter of wish fulfillment.

A vast, vast majority of fanfics are written simply to appease the author's tastes. This character belongs HERE, this one will be HERE, this one doesn't die and winds up with THIS character (or perhaps an OC that is based on themself). While you can debate all day which sex is more 'into' this kind of personalized pairing and why it is simply a fact that females like it more than males. That particular process Jen already went over; can you imagine a guy writing a story, even an extremely hetero one about their favorite female characters, then passing it around for his friends to read? He'd probably get mocked and/or wedgied. That's just how it is.

You need no further proof of this than the popularity of...that vampire series that I refuse to name because it's so god awful I'm ashamed to be from the same country it was released in. I can tell you without looking it has probably 30,000 or more stories on FF.net. I'll go look out of curiosity and masochism.

I was wildly off. It's closer to 160,000. Someone slap me.

Theana made a good point about it being a teenage watering hole. That's the perfect description. I myself would likely avoid fanfics altogether if my brain worked that way and very rarely there's some work that I actually enjoy. Slogging through a mess of slash work becomes though.

In general, very, very, general and in my own personal experience, most of the more serious fics are written by males. I'm not dissin' the ladies, there's plenty of female writers (according to profiles anyway) I like to read as well. It's not a matter of literacy (though moonphase's comment is dead on about that) it's more of a common focus. I'm not saying it's black and white, but the male writers I've read tend to head more in the expanding/adding route in their work. Females (generally dammit!) focus more on interpersonal relationships and man on man action.

Which is more popular with the 80% of females reading fanfics? Ask Meg Ryan. She's made millions off romcoms. Those are fanfics for adult women. =D

20 Name: EvilFuzzy9 : 2010-08-13 10:13 ID:LYN9ylXp

The reason so many girls write/read fanfiction... I haven't the slightest clue... unless... Maybe... maybe because there are simply fewer venues in real life where female nerds can gather that haven't already been monopolized by male nerds?

Or maybe it's because more girls are going into intellectual/academic pursuits (including writing) than boys nowadays because there are far fewer intellectual fictional male role-models in modern media than there are intellectual female role models. This is especially evident in shounen series, where the prevalence of Book Dumb male Idiot Hero main characters (or even ones who just act like it, such as Ichigo Kurosaki from 'Bleach' overwhelms any intelligent ones. For every 'Detective Conan' there are a hundred 'Naruto's. Contrast this with the frequency of female characters who are in part or in whole the brains (this is less frequent in shoujo manga). Presumably, this is because the writers want the main character to be someone with whom readers can relate.

Of course, I only have conjecture and (very little real) anecdotal evidence to back up this hypothesis, but hey, this is internet, so I'll bet there's a 20% chance that someone will treat this as an authoritative treatise when it's really just an attempt by a male fanfic writer to figure out why creatures like he seem so rare.

21 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-13 10:43 ID:YQ58iesr

>>19 - I agree... it isn't fair to cast females as more read as males. I read one place, where a woman read between a hundred and two hundred books in one year, and she felt her husband read zero, unless you count the books he read to the kids. Out of those two, who do I think is more well read? The father, actually, because the mother acted like children's books didn't count. This tells me, she doesn't read for reading, she reads for the kicks.

It is completly wish fullfillment, seriously. Nothing else, nothing more. In the so called 10% of good fanfiction, I think that stands for female writers, but for males, the percentage of good fanfiction, is actually higher, or more likely to occur. Why? Because they write, not to cater to wish fullfillment, but to get a good story out there.

As for the fanfics... shudder ... I have yet to find a well written crossover between THAT and another fandom, EVEN when one fandom is poking fun of the other. Also, their bad writing, the rabbid ones, crosses over into other fandoms.

>>20 - I think it's because most females tend to be less deserning, and aim for the dime store novel romances, and eat them up, and treat them as if they are classics, while males will pick their favorites, and read them over and over.

Also, I am not sure if Kurosaki Ichigo from Bleach IS the best example you could have picked for a guy who acts book dumb. Sure, he isn't on level of Conan, or Hermione Granger, or Uryu, or Toshiro, but he is able to think, unlike characters like Naruto. Of course, he tends to have logic fail, due to ignorance and naivity, or because he gets head strong. However, he is able to devize a plan, when he wants to. Most people would side with putting him in the book smart catagory, because he attempts to make good grades and other things, yet still manages to be tough.

22 Name: KaiHillover◆2BozL9qisE : 2011-05-21 17:25 ID:j72925D/

Yup, there are most definitely more girls on fan fic. ^_^

23 Name: Noc and NC : 2011-05-22 12:15 ID:hnHMOG7H

I must be more in touch with my boyish side then I thought, considering how my mother is always pestering me to find more things to read, while I'm simply content to keep rereading my old favorites and waiting for new releases from the authors. Its not that I don't enjoy reading, I'm just picky about what I read. My criteria falls under writing style and atmosphere rather than genre and main themes, so its hard for me to find new books and authors to enjoy. Its quite similar with fanfiction. Wading through page after page of yaoi stories is exhausting, and its a rare occasion indeed for me to actually find a new story to follow. I used to have more energy for searching when I was younger, but these days I'm lucky to find something good within several months at least.

As for the writing aspect, I'd be lying if I said my stories weren't born from some sort of wish-fulfillment, but isn't it the same for everyone? You want to see something happen, and when the original story fails to present, you take it upon yourself to write it. I thought Mouda looked awfully smitten with Ace from One Piece, so I wrote a story to see what would come of it. I wanted to see what happened after the conclusion of Phantom Wizard, so I wrote a continuation. I was interested in the varying mentalities of the Vampyrum Spectrum from Kenneth Oppel's Silverwing series, so I wrote a story to focus on such things. Some ideas may be shallower than others, but their all born from the same place.

I don't know if its really true or not, but I can definitely imagine stories written by a guy being better than those written by a girl. We let our emotions get the best of us, so things like romance and drama overtake actual plot development. I know for sure that I used to be an awful writer, but I also know that I've improved immensely since I first started years ago. That being said, I still feel like I have a lot to learn. I don't think I'll be satisfied until I stop running into stories that make me think, "wow, I wish I could write like this person", but I'll probably never reach that point because there's always someone better than you out there.

Eeh...I feel like I went on a tangent there...point of my post waaaas...I agree with pretty much everything that people have said. Guys are likely better writers from the get-go (although we can be good writers too, and some guys can also write poorly), girls focus on emotions too much for their own good, and yeah, looking at porn kind of makes me cringe, so I must say I prefer written smut to visual. And all of that is probably why girls make up the larger portion of fanfiction writers.

24 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-05-22 22:42 ID:oAVoA69G

>>23 - I know what you mean about having to dredge through fanfics just to find one really good one. I do critique the ones I do go into, because I believe in leaving reviews, but I've actually had people tell me that I am too critical about what someone writes. But shouldn't we be critical of what we read? I get watching something for plane enjoyment, as I've done that for some Anime, but I know they aren't the best. The ones that draw me in the best are both entertaining and make me think.

25 Name: bunch1 : 2011-05-25 14:55 ID:GFiOS3z9

This is a tough question to answer. While everyone knows that girls write more stories then men do it is hard to say that they vastly outnumber guys reading fanfiction. Every writer knows that for every review, alert, or fav a story gets they get 100 or more hits from unknown readers who can't be idenitfyed as male or female.

I am a guy and can only speak for myself when it comes to why this might be. I myself spent several years reading stories on ff.net before I even got an account. I didn't even leave a review before because I felt that without posting a story of my own I couldn't justify telling someone else how to improve their story if I didn't write myselfe and know what it was like. Even now I don't review much or interact with other writers, hell I haven't even looked for a beta.

The main reason I think that girls dominate ff is becuase of our culture. As a boy I did read alot, but I spent even more time playing coumputer games, camping, or playing football in the backyard because that is what I grew up doing and admiting that I read ff would have been embarasing, so I didn't. It wasn't until after I got out of high school that I started read it more often and eventualy started posting some myself. As for the ratio, 60-40, maybe 70-30, but it's just a guess.

26 Name: Sophos : 2011-06-24 05:47 ID:Nu7AxaWa

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Found this on a blog. Looks like its 80% female on fanfiction.net.

27 Name: Gir Crazy : 2011-07-08 12:17 ID:f1w2VC01

I agree that it's probably 80% girls that read fanfiction. In my opinion, it's probably because most fanfiction is slash, and what's the majority gender in reading and writing slash? Girls.

28 Name: thecrimson : 2011-07-09 00:45 ID:qNSI6W24

I'm a guy and I write fanfic, which is really fun to do. I do it more out of the sense of honing my abilities than anything. It's great practice for my novel that I'm currently working on.

The stories I write definitely are expanding/adding route. But, I mostly write Runescape stories, and original ones at that, because there isn't really a central plot there. That means I can set stories in that world, but basically do what I want.

I do confess I wrote one story (Naruto) where it was wish fulfillment, but I deleted it because it sucked. It sucked because it was wish fulfillment.

You can find my work under Haseo the Terror of Death and the story you should check out is The Sphere of Varrock.

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