Flamers!!! Name your Best!!!! (105)

1 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-05-23 06:51 ID:seG72jmp

Okay people, I want to know your best (or worst, depending) flames you have ever recieved fopr any story on any fandom!!! I want to know!!! I recently got a flame, and I want to share it with the world!!!

2 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-05-23 06:53 ID:seG72jmp

My flame I recieved:
"anoter quitter I'm glad you qit on it stil we don't need another disgasting time travel slash story around I hope no body picks it up"
I enjoyed replying (She left her screen name on).
Thank you, for your wonderful review. Please note the sarcasm. First of all, I must commend you for your bravery, not many would leave their actual screen name when flaming someone. Secondly, here's a little tip: When flaming someone, you will sound much less like an idiot with an IQ in the negatives, if you spell words correctly and use proper punctuation. By the way, 'disgasting' is not a word. Disgusting, however, is.
Also, please keep your homophobia to yourself. It clearly states in the summary that my story is a slash. If you do not like slash, then do not read it. I did not force you in front of your computer and make you log onto http://www.fanfiction.net and pull my story onto your screen. You did that.
Yes, I know my idea was not the most original. Thank you oh-so much for reminding me. However, I, like every other http://www.fanfiction.net users who have actually WROTE stories will know, we all use other people ideas, consciously or not.
I enjoy receiving reviews from people, flames as well. Do you know why? Because they amuse me. You amuse me. I didn't think they're were anyone more ignorant than the Head Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan, but apparently there is. Congratulations.
But anyway, thank you for the review. Actually, let me rephrase that; a review is meant to be helpful. Thank you for your senseless and utterly useless racism.
Jay xx
This amused me...

3 Name: セーラーエリスは刀の女ですか。 : 2010-05-23 07:01 ID:fjag+rVQ

LOL nice job dear,
If she reply please post her reply here.

4 Name: ... : 2010-05-23 07:19 ID:igofJw7f

How is your flamer worse than the Head Dragon (Grand Dragon, surely?) of the Ku Klux Klan, and how is that flame racist?

5 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-05-23 07:22 ID:seG72jmp

She emailed back saying:
"ifdiots like you are so dumb who thinks who can write stories only to quit because you're dumb brain can't get any ideas and I don't care about spelling and all that crap. I write for fun and not to be judge from others I don't need help with ideas or reviws to save my story. I never qwuit on my story I write it out and write down ideas and not quit" AND AGAIN WITH:
"I hope someone one day takes over and takes down the dumb ban of NC-17 and make it better then the screws up they did to this web site I'm glad their's a web site that bans slash and aloows all ratings" SO I REPLIED:
"...Oh you have got to be kidding me. Please tell me you are joking? You call me the idiot? I write for fun as well, but I would actually like to improve my writing, which is why I like reviews. Or, atleast, constructive reviews, not just abuse from a kid who can't even spell 'Disgusting'. By the way, there is these new inventions, they're called 'commas' and 'periods', you might want to use them. You write for fun, I understand that. But couldn't you try and write well? You suck,love, and thats the honest truth. Offense fully meant.
Another thing, what on Earth were you saying in your last email? 'and makes it better then the screws up they did to this web site I'm glad their's a web site that bans slash and aloows all ratings?" I can just get the gist of what you have written. First of all, NC-17 isn't banned on here, it's just called Rated M, for Mature, something you don't seem to be.
Love, I looked at your profile. You have no stories up!!! You've got 5000 favourites (Give or take a few) and you have written none yourself? Or atleast, not posted any. When you post a story, and you get hateful reviews back, them email me and tell me reviews don't matter to you. You are a silly little girl (Are you a girl?) who doesn't understand anything behind her own prejudices. Ever heard the phrase, 'If you've got nothing nice to say, say nothing at all'? For you, it seems someone needs to staple your mouth shut. Who on Earth taught you to be so rude and obnoxious?"

6 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-05-23 07:23 ID:seG72jmp

>>4 Racist doesn't just mean racist against coloured people, it is also against Homophobes. The email what she sent me next explains it better.

7 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-05-23 07:24 ID:seG72jmp

Oh, and I was in a dramatic mood. I agree that the KKK thing was a bit over board, but I was on a roll :)

8 Name: ... : 2010-05-23 07:30 ID:igofJw7f

@6- ... No, 'racist' refers to preferring one RACE to another. You've got racism confused with sexualism.

9 Name: セーラーエリスは刀の女ですか。 : 2010-05-23 08:17 ID:7/8jUH6F

>>5 well she is an idiot so should I say "ifdiot" lol
ignore her.

10 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-05-23 08:18 ID:seG72jmp

Hmm, probably. I dumb at times :) I hope she knew what I meant...Oh well. I'll remember it next time. Now, on with flames!!! Whose been flamed??

11 Name: LittleTera : 2010-05-26 08:18 ID:IHKZHJlj

I had this rather hilarious flame on my anti-Twilight fic:

you are so stupid if i were friends with you id be in shame and be hiding did you know * that new moon is the best
movie in canada and your just one big fat loser*

I was laughing about it for the rest of the day.
Unfortunately it was an anonymous review so I couldn't reply. Although, I did put a note in the next chapter. I hope she saw it. Well, I think it was a she, judging by the name 'Twilight girl vampire girl'. You'd think they'd have some better inspiration by now.
Like you, I put that it was anti-Twilight in the summary. These people obviously find it hard to read as well as write.
It also seems to be a common thing with all flamers that their punctuation, spelling and grammar is god-awful. Maybe they should improve their own writing before they criticise ours.

12 Name: BlackMage16 : 2010-05-26 08:57 ID:CdvbbonS

>> Ok, I must admit that made me laugh. That girl must be stupid or just looking for trouble reading an anti-Twilight fic.

And honestly New Moon...best movie in Canada...for real. That has got to be a joke, or the fault of silly prepubescent teens going to see the movie countless times, or the Twi-mums (oh god I didn't really believe but my friend told me about them how they "never used to read until their child had Twilight around and then... now they read all the time...oh and Edward Cullen is hot even though he's only 17.." -ok so they might not have said exactly that but still, they were on freaking Oprah!!)

On another note, these flamers seem really stupid. I haven't been flamed yet but I don't really get many reviews so I guess that the flamers haven't found me yet. Maybe I could try writing an anti-Twilight fic and see what they say.

13 Name: J : 2010-05-26 09:29 ID:psYSIg0h

@5: If by 'here' you mean FF.net, which I presume you do, then you're wrong. FF.net does officially have a ban on NC-17 works. NC-17 is equal to an MA rating (which is banned on FF.net), people just bend the rules by putting their work in a category lower than it should be.

14 Name: Kimberley : 2010-05-26 11:51 ID:N5mXlJkq

I once got a flame from a person called 'Not missing you at all'. She insulted me in the flame because I write stories with OC's. I reported her to the admins on ff.net and removed her flame. Later on she insulted me again on her profile, saying that I was a douchebag for reporting her and that she and her friends would keep on sending me hatemail. I reported her again.

So far, about two years and many more stories with OC's later I still haven't heard from her.

15 Name: LittleTera : 2010-05-27 11:13 ID:IHKZHJlj

@BlackMage16
I agree - the only place where New Moon would be the best film would be... how about Stupidville? Or Idiot Country?
I don't know about anyone else, but yes, I did go to see New Moon, and yes, it was awful. The actors are pathetically bland(and yet, Robert Pattinson recently got an award for Best Performance at some award-thingy!! Shocking) and the plotlines... well, I'm not even going to bother to list everything here. Although, I suppose being based on the books, the film-makers didn't really have a hope.
Flamers are the people who attempt to write horrors they call 'fanfictions', put them up on ff.net, get flamed so much themselves that they have to take them down, and then go around flaming GOOD stories. Alternatively, you can just think of them as idiots.
I know, flaming is good when it's an awful story, but when it's good...

16 Name: LittleTera : 2010-05-27 11:13 ID:IHKZHJlj

@BlackMage16
I agree - the only place where New Moon would be the best film would be... how about Stupidville? Or Idiot Country?
I don't know about anyone else, but yes, I did go to see New Moon, and yes, it was awful. The actors are pathetically bland(and yet, Robert Pattinson recently got an award for Best Performance at some award-thingy!! Shocking) and the plotlines... well, I'm not even going to bother to list everything here. Although, I suppose being based on the books, the film-makers didn't really have a hope.
Flamers are the people who attempt to write horrors they call 'fanfictions', put them up on ff.net, get flamed so much themselves that they have to take them down, and then go around flaming GOOD stories. Alternatively, you can just think of them as idiots.
I know, flaming is good when it's an awful story, but when it's good...

17 Name: LittleTera : 2010-05-27 11:14 ID:IHKZHJlj

@BlackMage16
I agree - the only place where New Moon would be the best film would be... how about Stupidville? Or Idiot Country?
I don't know about anyone else, but yes, I did go to see New Moon, and yes, it was awful. The actors are pathetically bland(and yet, Robert Pattinson recently got an award for Best Performance at some award-thingy!! Shocking) and the plotlines... well, I'm not even going to bother to list everything here. Although, I suppose being based on the books, the film-makers didn't really have a hope.
Flamers are the people who attempt to write horrors they call 'fanfictions', put them up on ff.net, get flamed so much themselves that they have to take them down, and then go around flaming GOOD stories. Alternatively, you can just think of them as idiots.
I know, flaming is good when it's an awful story, but when it's good...

18 Name: LittleTera : 2010-05-27 11:14 ID:IHKZHJlj

Oops... I don't know what happened with the three posts... sorry guys...

19 Name: BlackMage16 : 2010-05-27 12:37 ID:U4LXwWj5

@LittleTera
It's okay, sometimes the internet glitches and make you think you haven't submitted a post and then... I've done that a few times myself but it's all good.
I also saw New Moon and Twilight, both in cinema on the first days they came out. The reason: because it's freaking funny watching all the fan-girls scream at the screen when Edward Cullen and Jacob Black come on screen. I remember in New Moon, the square scene when Edward (R-Patz) has a shirtless scene and everyone even the fan-girls said "EWW" at the screen (it was disgusting, white and pasty...gross). Anyway this is why I'll watch Eclipse because it really is a good laugh, the film might be utter crap but they're reactions are absolutely hilarious.
(I realise this had nothing to do with flamers, sorry.)

Ok on topic, people who flame for no good reason or just because they don't like that pairing etc are really annoying. However, there are those flames who actually point out errors in stories (ok so they might not exactly be flamers), those are really useful and I think it would be handy if more people gave constructive criticism although the "I like this, plz update" is alway nice.

20 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-05-28 09:25 ID:seG72jmp

Oops, just got pointed out to me that NC-17 is banned on ff.net...then why is there a Mature rating??? Well okay.
Constructive reviews are nice, and while some people have a tendency to come off as mean when they write cough ME! cough there is a line between just plain abuse and telling someone their spellings are wrong.
Oh, and Jacob was totally hot in New Moon, but Edward was not. I have to love him though, he was Cedric on Harry Potter!!!!

21 Name: Marth : 2010-05-28 10:41 ID:+TtL2Vfp

M is not the same thing as NC-17. M is equivalent to the American R rating (I'm not totally clear how British movie ratings work, so if anyone wants to explain this in UK terms, go for it). R-rated movies are intended for grownups, so there can be language, violence, and some sexual content, but for explicit, on-camera sex, a movie needs an NC-17 rating. The M rating works the same way as the R rating.

22 Name: Anonymous : 2010-05-28 12:06 ID:igofJw7f

It's the difference between an 18 and an R18 in the Brit film classification system.

23 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-05-28 13:50 ID:seG72jmp

...Yeah, considering I'm underage, and I am British, all I know is that we have stuff like PG, 12A and 15, 16, 18 movies. I like ages and numbers, it is much clearer.
Another wuestion, what does the NC in NC-17 stand for? Well, there are loads of PWPs on ff.net and they are Rated M, so how can they be banned on the sight? A confused teenager over here!!!!

24 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-05-28 13:50 ID:seG72jmp

...Yeah, considering I'm underage, and I am British, all I know is that we have stuff like PG, 12A and 15, 16, 18 movies. I like ages and numbers, it is much clearer.
Another wuestion, what does the NC in NC-17 stand for? Well, there are loads of PWPs on ff.net and they are Rated M, so how can they be banned on the sight? A confused teenager over here!!!!

25 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-05-28 13:51 ID:seG72jmp

Oops, technical glitch, sorry for the repeating. My poor laptop, has the evil internet turned its back on you...

26 Name: RayRay : 2010-05-28 14:41 ID:8nJzNk98

Don't apologise for the double/triple/multiple posting - it happens to the best of us, seriously.

And also - people find ways to get around ratings, stories can be reported I'm sure, but to be honest, I don't see people caring, as long as a story is advertised as PWP in the summary, it's not going to mislead people who know their acronyms. Moral - don't read something you know you're not going to like.

27 Name: Marth : 2010-05-28 15:45 ID:jPFY2V3U

>>23 I think NC-17 means "no children under 17," but I didn't look it up, so I'm not 100% sure. And yeah, don't worry about DPs. They happen, and are no big deal.

>>26 The problem is that young/new authors often don't know what warnings stand for, and they're often the ones who leave "Ew, gross, why did you write this!?" style reviews.

Plus, websites have the right to restrict their content however they want. Violating the TOS is violating the TOS.

28 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-05-29 03:23 ID:seG72jmp

True, but I highly doubt the websites care. I mean, there must be hundreds of PWPs on ff.net, and I haven't heard of any being removed. But, if people really want to avoid this, but all their stories on Live Journal and FF.net, and leave all the lemons on Lj.
Ooh, I just remembered another flame I recieved. I wrote a drabble, a really sad one and someone wrote "you sad cunt" and I was like "I don't mind flames, but would a little grammer kill anyone?????"
Yeah, i like grammer, don't care about flames :)

29 Name: LittleTera : 2010-05-29 06:31 ID:cEk5rKo3

@BlackMage16
Lol, I agree - the fangirls are always like 'OOOHH Edward's so hot!!' and then we have the proof on screen that he's NOT... apparently his six-pack was painted on... I can believe that.
Me and my friends went to go and see Twilight and New Moon and we were laughing the whole way through - at the fangirls and the film, actually. Back on the subject, though!:
'However, there are those flames who actually point out errors in stories (ok so they might not exactly be flamers), those are really useful and I think it would be handy if more people gave constructive criticism although the "I like this, plz update" is always nice.'
Yes, I actually love constuctive criticism, even more than the everpresent 'I like it please update soon'! (Bizarre, I know - I love flames as well, they make me laugh.) It helps me improve, especially when someone spots I've made a mistake...

30 Name: Kyou Fangirl : 2010-06-03 23:14 ID:fJz+jqeL

My FAVORITE is a guy who calls himself Extreme Critic258. He amuses me. I don't usually get any flames (in fact the last blatantly intentional flame was on my first ever fic by a guy calling himself simon cowell who made it painfully obvious that he had neglected to read anything other than my summary) but I guess when you post a gay fanfic to a relatively new NICKELODEON show's fanfiction page, it's to be expected. Seriously the whole fandom bugs me a bit because, and I know I can't expect much more from Nick, the ONLY shipping anyone cares about is a CANNON one! Seriously, that makes for the most boring fandom ever! Anyway, this person's so called criticism made me laugh out loud with such well thought out, eloquent arguments as "I feel like this is trashing on Troop everywhere. Seriously, you can go in your little gay land and think of gayer times but incase you didn't see the troop lately or at all, JAKE ISN'T GAY!" "Go to the show V or something. Take it OFF! I know i am mean.. but hey, too bad! Gayness has no place on the troop." and "GO SUCK IT! Gay stories are weird. I like the Jaley in this. Screw the gay point of this...striaght people dont like gay fics. Seriously, i am dude who is straight. Dont continue. Be a sad, lonely homo turd."
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Well if your such a tough guy, maybe you should be wondering why you spend your time watching kids shows and reading fanfiction....... Just sayin. I'm a teenager watching and writing fandom for a kids show which is weird, but I own up to that. in this guys case I think the fact that he is defending a CHILDREN'S TELEVISION SHOW FROM THE EVILS OF GAYNESS might SORTA be ruining his tough guy persona... just a wee bit.

And another one for the same story was "no offence but i like jayley better then jalix. i don't write on fanfiction i just read though i do think about trying but i can't judge you for writing gay stuff it just seems weird to me (no offence to any gay people in the world or on fanfiction) since jake and hayley are perfect for each other and i hope they get together in the show i have read a bit of chapter one and you are good at writing. not trying to push you off topic but maybe you should try and write a jayley fic and compare the twos reviews just to see which is more popular (plus this site needs more cool and good fics) it could probably be amoung the best like monster island or unprepeared for you. i also get why you wrote it since every other fic is basicly a jayley fic but i think that is genraly what the people want."

Thank you. No really. Your brilliant attempt at changing all my opinions of the entire fandom totally worked. I have a brand new outlook. I mean, the show hints at feelings for each other and they are female and male lead characters so clearly they MUST be perfect for each other. scoff yeah, um, THIS IS WHY THIS FANDOM BUGS ME! It's not just PARTIALLY made up by people who live and breathe for boring cannon, it's COMPLETELY made up of them! And they're all like "oh, this is good, but ew gay so how about you convert because I think more people would like your stories that way so its a good choice." I wonder if they can even understand where I'm coming from when I say I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY STORIES TO A SHIPPING I HATE FOR REVIEWS!

Oh! Speak of the devil! I just came across a similar review to the one I just mentioned. "NEVER! JALEY all the way. Have you read unprepared for you? Good luck competing with that! Phssh...no one likes unpopular gay fics."
Um... okay, but why would I care about being compared to another story? They have NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER! Thats like comparing my remus/sirius story to a random draco/ginny. The only difference is this is a much smaller fandom so they somehow think it matters. And my story might not have the 96 reviews of unprepared for you, but it is proud to have 26 (so far) and a loyal following of certain people who are both far more creative in their shipping choices and have far more and better reasons for supporting their shippings... by which I mean OTHER than "they're perfect for each other!"

and, just for old time's sake, I think I shall share my first flame with you all:

This story is absolute rubbish. I mean you have poor grammar, you have a :P in your TITLE and you have various capitalization errors in your summary. Your laziness is utterly ridiculous. My advice. Get better or DO NOT WRITE, you are plaguing our society with your ineptitude.

I'd like to point out that a) I could TELL he only read the summary and b) this was my first story which I wrote when I was TWELVE, and it got 50 reviews, all of which were either very good or at the very least constructive, aside from this single flame which means I honestly couldn't have been that bad. It is almost a literal example of the classic don't judge a book by it's cover. Don't flame a fic from it's summary. That's what I'm gonna say from now on... the end...

31 Name: Kyou Fangirl : 2010-06-03 23:16 ID:fJz+jqeL

My FAVORITE is a guy who calls himself Extreme Critic258. He amuses me. I don't usually get any flames (in fact the last blatantly intentional flame was on my first ever fic by a guy calling himself simon cowell who made it painfully obvious that he had neglected to read anything other than my summary) but I guess when you post a gay fanfic to a relatively new NICKELODEON show's fanfiction page, it's to be expected. Seriously the whole fandom bugs me a bit because, and I know I can't expect much more from Nick, the ONLY shipping anyone cares about is a CANNON one! Seriously, that makes for the most boring fandom ever! Anyway, this person's so called criticism made me laugh out loud with such well thought out, eloquent arguments as "I feel like this is trashing on Troop everywhere. Seriously, you can go in your little gay land and think of gayer times but incase you didn't see the troop lately or at all, JAKE ISN'T GAY!" "Go to the show V or something. Take it OFF! I know i am mean.. but hey, too bad! Gayness has no place on the troop." and "GO SUCK IT! Gay stories are weird. I like the Jaley in this. Screw the gay point of this...striaght people dont like gay fics. Seriously, i am dude who is straight. Dont continue. Be a sad, lonely homo turd."
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Well if your such a tough guy, maybe you should be wondering why you spend your time watching kids shows and reading fanfiction....... Just sayin. I'm a teenager watching and writing fandom for a kids show which is weird, but I own up to that. in this guys case I think the fact that he is defending a CHILDREN'S TELEVISION SHOW FROM THE EVILS OF GAYNESS might SORTA be ruining his tough guy persona... just a wee bit.

And another one for the same story was "no offence but i like jayley better then jalix. i don't write on fanfiction i just read though i do think about trying but i can't judge you for writing gay stuff it just seems weird to me (no offence to any gay people in the world or on fanfiction) since jake and hayley are perfect for each other and i hope they get together in the show i have read a bit of chapter one and you are good at writing. not trying to push you off topic but maybe you should try and write a jayley fic and compare the twos reviews just to see which is more popular (plus this site needs more cool and good fics) it could probably be amoung the best like monster island or unprepeared for you. i also get why you wrote it since every other fic is basicly a jayley fic but i think that is genraly what the people want."

Thank you. No really. Your brilliant attempt at changing all my opinions of the entire fandom totally worked. I have a brand new outlook. I mean, the show hints at feelings for each other and they are female and male lead characters so clearly they MUST be perfect for each other. scoff yeah, um, THIS IS WHY THIS FANDOM BUGS ME! It's not just PARTIALLY made up by people who live and breathe for boring cannon, it's COMPLETELY made up of them! And they're all like "oh, this is good, but ew gay so how about you convert because I think more people would like your stories that way so its a good choice." I wonder if they can even understand where I'm coming from when I say I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY STORIES TO A SHIPPING I HATE FOR REVIEWS!

Oh! Speak of the devil! I just came across a similar review to the one I just mentioned. "NEVER! JALEY all the way. Have you read unprepared for you? Good luck competing with that! Phssh...no one likes unpopular gay fics."
Um... okay, but why would I care about being compared to another story? They have NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER! Thats like comparing my remus/sirius story to a random draco/ginny. The only difference is this is a much smaller fandom so they somehow think it matters. And my story might not have the 96 reviews of unprepared for you, but it is proud to have 26 (so far) and a loyal following of certain people who are both far more creative in their shipping choices and have far more and better reasons for supporting their shippings... by which I mean OTHER than "they're perfect for each other!"

and, just for old time's sake, I think I shall share my first flame with you all:

This story is absolute rubbish. I mean you have poor grammar, you have a :P in your TITLE and you have various capitalization errors in your summary. Your laziness is utterly ridiculous. My advice. Get better or DO NOT WRITE, you are plaguing our society with your ineptitude.

I'd like to point out that a) I could TELL he only read the summary and b) this was my first story which I wrote when I was TWELVE, and it got 50 reviews, all of which were either very good or at the very least constructive, aside from this single flame which means I honestly couldn't have been that bad. It is almost a literal example of the classic don't judge a book by it's cover. Don't flame a fic from it's summary. That's what I'm gonna say from now on... the end...

32 Name: Kyou Fangirl : 2010-06-03 23:17 ID:fJz+jqeL

My FAVORITE is a guy who calls himself Extreme Critic258. He amuses me. I don't usually get any flames (in fact the last blatantly intentional flame was on my first ever fic by a guy calling himself simon cowell who made it painfully obvious that he had neglected to read anything other than my summary) but I guess when you post a gay fanfic to a relatively new NICKELODEON show's fanfiction page, it's to be expected. Seriously the whole fandom bugs me a bit because, and I know I can't expect much more from Nick, the ONLY shipping anyone cares about is a CANNON one! Seriously, that makes for the most boring fandom ever! Anyway, this person's so called criticism made me laugh out loud with such well thought out, eloquent arguments as "I feel like this is trashing on Troop everywhere. Seriously, you can go in your little gay land and think of gayer times but incase you didn't see the troop lately or at all, JAKE ISN'T GAY!" "Go to the show V or something. Take it OFF! I know i am mean.. but hey, too bad! Gayness has no place on the troop." and "GO SUCK IT! Gay stories are weird. I like the Jaley in this. Screw the gay point of this...striaght people dont like gay fics. Seriously, i am dude who is straight. Dont continue. Be a sad, lonely homo turd."
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Well if your such a tough guy, maybe you should be wondering why you spend your time watching kids shows and reading fanfiction....... Just sayin. I'm a teenager watching and writing fandom for a kids show which is weird, but I own up to that. in this guys case I think the fact that he is defending a CHILDREN'S TELEVISION SHOW FROM THE EVILS OF GAYNESS might SORTA be ruining his tough guy persona... just a wee bit.

And another one for the same story was "no offence but i like jayley better then jalix. i don't write on fanfiction i just read though i do think about trying but i can't judge you for writing gay stuff it just seems weird to me (no offence to any gay people in the world or on fanfiction) since jake and hayley are perfect for each other and i hope they get together in the show i have read a bit of chapter one and you are good at writing. not trying to push you off topic but maybe you should try and write a jayley fic and compare the twos reviews just to see which is more popular (plus this site needs more cool and good fics) it could probably be amoung the best like monster island or unprepeared for you. i also get why you wrote it since every other fic is basicly a jayley fic but i think that is genraly what the people want."

Thank you. No really. Your brilliant attempt at changing all my opinions of the entire fandom totally worked. I have a brand new outlook. I mean, the show hints at feelings for each other and they are female and male lead characters so clearly they MUST be perfect for each other. scoff yeah, um, THIS IS WHY THIS FANDOM BUGS ME! It's not just PARTIALLY made up by people who live and breathe for boring cannon, it's COMPLETELY made up of them! And they're all like "oh, this is good, but ew gay so how about you convert because I think more people would like your stories that way so its a good choice." I wonder if they can even understand where I'm coming from when I say I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY STORIES TO A SHIPPING I HATE FOR REVIEWS!

Oh! Speak of the devil! I just came across a similar review to the one I just mentioned. "NEVER! JALEY all the way. Have you read unprepared for you? Good luck competing with that! Phssh...no one likes unpopular gay fics."
Um... okay, but why would I care about being compared to another story? They have NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER! Thats like comparing my remus/sirius story to a random draco/ginny. The only difference is this is a much smaller fandom so they somehow think it matters. And my story might not have the 96 reviews of unprepared for you, but it is proud to have 26 (so far) and a loyal following of certain people who are both far more creative in their shipping choices and have far more and better reasons for supporting their shippings... by which I mean OTHER than "they're perfect for each other!"

and, just for old time's sake, I think I shall share my first flame with you all:

This story is absolute rubbish. I mean you have poor grammar, you have a :P in your TITLE and you have various capitalization errors in your summary. Your laziness is utterly ridiculous. My advice. Get better or DO NOT WRITE, you are plaguing our society with your ineptitude.

I'd like to point out that a) I could TELL he only read the summary and b) this was my first story which I wrote when I was TWELVE, and it got 50 reviews, all of which were either very good or at the very least constructive, aside from this single flame which means I honestly couldn't have been that bad. It is almost a literal example of the classic don't judge a book by it's cover. Don't flame a fic from it's summary. That's what I'm gonna say from now on... the end...

33 Name: Anonymous : 2010-06-04 00:18 ID:igofJw7f

That's funny; in the FF7 fandom, you only get reviews if you write the slashiest slash around. I'm planning to troll with some dreadful slash soon, to bring attention to this depressing fact. Think Cloud, Sephiroth, Vincent, chocolate body-paint and ice cubes. Cloud will be the uke to cower beneath all ukes. Sephiroth will have his sword AND a whip. Vincent will just stand there, being hawt and mysterious. You have been warned.

34 Name: Elkkun : 2010-06-04 02:25 ID:6BaWjUiy

>>28 don't mean to be weird anything but...you spelt 'grammar' wrong... XD

>>30 to >>32 you triple posted a very long post arrrgh. But just wondering. What fandom were you writing for? :)

I've only had one review which was 'you can't write'(they couln't review very well either...) something like that. Then another one saying something like, I couldn't write so get off ff.net etc...
Long time ago. the guy/girl was called FlameRising they hadn't written ONE story and was critising MY story.

I found it funny though :)

35 Name: Marth : 2010-06-04 06:45 ID:+TtL2Vfp

I have never seen F/R flame anyone who didn't absolutely deserve it. I miss him.

36 Name: DuxAtrum : 2010-06-04 08:01 ID:Dl/wimHM

I once received a fic from someone claiming to be F/R—but then, it was anonymous and the fic was nothing more than stunningly mediocre, so it was probably a fake.

>>33: The problem is that, even if you do something blatantly parodic, most people will not know that it's a trollfic. (Not that there isn't good yaoi around, but a lot of what is there is written by fanbrats, and so the median level is... well.)

By the by, if you're looking for good FFVII yaoi trollfic, this one's a gem: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5761712/1/Willing_Recruit

(It's not mine, by the way. Much as I would like.)

37 Name: Anonymous : 2010-06-04 11:04 ID:igofJw7f

@Dux- That's what I'm counting on to fuel the lulz. I'm hoping to get a deranged fanbase. Then I can gripe about it.

38 Name: BlackMage16 : 2010-06-04 11:17 ID:U4LXwWj5

@37 That sounds like it'll be a good laugh. I would love to check out that story, then post a fake fan-girl review about how "hawt and smexy Cloud, Sephiroth and Vincent are" and how they are "made for each other" kya kya kyah.
Not that I have anything against yaoi stories but it really bugs me to see the hundreds of ridiculous yaoi stories for example in the Naruto fandom, making the characters very feminine and so not how they should be. Can't someone write a yaoi story without turning the characters into...girls.

39 Name: DuxAtrum : 2010-06-04 14:43 ID:Dl/wimHM

>>37 Bahah, a friend of mine did that once. She purposefully built up a godawful Gakuen Alice fandom, only to viciously rip it down in a twist end in which she herself, as the author, tore through the fourth wall and commandeered the prose to point out exactly why the fic was terrible. In her own words:

"There's a vampire, and I neglect to explain how or why, or even what the hell he's doing in a school plot, he just is, like the hoards of other vampire fanfictions in existance.

"The characters, also, are cheap imitations of themselves – Ruka is soppy and caring, Hotaru cold, Mikan alternates between out of character emo and a crude version of her stupid, clumsy self, and Natsume simply has no personality."


That's just a fraction. And the story has—I kid you not—118 reviews, a lot of them from butthurt fanbrats. It was glorious.

And >>38, most of everything that author writes is fantastic in one way or another, so if you haven't checked out their stuff yet I do highly recommend it. =D

40 Name: Crimson Cataclysm : 2010-06-05 18:51 ID:uruGmsbx

Only thing close to a flame I've received was one for a Naruto fic in which Sakura gives birth and Itachi kills the baby (I was a fucking angsty 15 year old, holyshit. I mean seriously, I know so many other 15 year olds that are so much more mature than I was. aaagh). Anyway, it goes like this.
"I think you should put a warning first for pregnant women out there . This is so horrible! You're only 15! And considering the fact that you are still immature it is not an excuse to write such a detached story! You're almost like one of those mothers who kills their babies after they are born! This has got to be the most horrible story I've ever read! This is not something your 'serious mood' should expel! I'm pregnant and I can't believe I just read a story with such tragic complications for a newborn! This story ahs to be reported to the Moderators! Put a fucking warning! That was a newborn! That was a grave mistake on your part you fucking immature child! I hope your parents would read this monstrosity and punish you for your damned insolence!"
I absolutely LOVE how it starts off as "Wow, you're only 15, you don't know anything about this, writing this was really immature" and then gradually turns into "YOU SHOULD BE WHIPPED FOR YOUR DAMNED INSOLENCE YOU FUCKING IMMATURE CHILD."
It was like I was witnessing a pregnant woman's hormonal outburst written down in a single review.

41 Name: Niori : 2010-06-05 20:33 ID:BrDWVM6f

I got this one for a story that was long ago taken down- it was, quite literally, 'you stupid hore'.

First off, it kinda lost its umph by mispelling whore. Secondly, I have no idea why they jumped to this conclusion. Don't get me wrong, the story was bad, but I don't know how me being a 'hore' had anything to do with the writing. Or what in the writing made my thriteen year old self one. Maybe it's just me, but I do believe that, trash the story all you want, but personal insults? Petty and uncalled for. But then again, it wouldn't be a flame then would it?

Oh, and I was also not a whore, so again less umph.

42 Name: DuxAtrum : 2010-06-06 02:52 ID:Dl/wimHM

>>41 uh yeah dude personal insults are kinda the point of a flame yunno


... Though I suppose if a review just insulted the story without saying why, it could count as a flame. *shrug*

43 Name: KatonRyu : 2010-06-16 12:59 ID:hIiEzTsO

My only 'flame' if you could call it that is

"Ya, This was pretty much poorly written trash. I mean, I hate Yuka and all. You simply conveniently discarded in her in a ridiculous manner instead of getting rid of her in any sort of an interesting story-driven manner. And the story itself was weak. Just weak."

And to be fair, he does have a point. I did remove her in a fairly stupid way. As for the story being weak...I wish he'd given me some pointers then. Ah well.

44 Name: Oreramar : 2010-07-07 17:53 ID:G+YBMRAz

These are all facinating. It's amazing, the depths some people will reach in an effort to drag you down with them.

I don't remember ever getting a flame directly on one of my stories, but I once got flamed when reviewing.
It wasn't a very well-written story, but it was decent at least. I told them what seemed to be working well and sandwitched some constructive criticism in there:

"One line confused me because an expression was used incorrectly. You tried to say that Rukia was doing a terrible job hiding her feelings. Instead, you used 'bang up' to describe the job. "Bang up" is like "smashing" - it's a good thing, not a bad. 'You have a smashing interesting story. You're doing a bang-up job.'
I guess you've heard that phrase in a different or at least ambiguous context before, in this case."

A reply I got to my review:
"Wow, it's called sarcasm...your retarded"

My reply:
"I caught no tone of sarcasm in the structure of the sentence or the wording. I was merely pointing out what I assumed to be a mistake that could cause confusion for the readers, as it caused me confusion - it honestly felt as though you were being serious, not sarcastic.
My retarded, huh? Are you sure you didn't mean to say that I am retarded - "You're retarded" - as opposed to what you did write?
And yet, despite my apparent retardation, you did something to change the point of confusion. If I am such a brainless excuse for a human being, why even acknowledge what I had to say?
I was only trying to be helpful. The purpose of the review system is to point out to the author both what was done well and what could use a little work or clarification. If constructive criticism bothers you so much, I simply won't offer any feedback at all.
Thank you, and good day.
Oreramar"

Another reply:
"...you put too much effort into your flames and they ether end up not making sence or you have typos such as "My retarded, huh" instead of "I'm retarded, huh"
Anyways your wayyyyyyy too technical if you didn't catch on to the sarcasm, it was completely obvious.
"If I am such a brainless excuse for a human being, why even acknowledge what I had to say?"
Since when was calling someone retarded such an insult anyways? where I come from when I or my friends make stupid mistakes we call each other retarded all the time, then just burst out laughing-no big deal, but apparently now it meens 'a brainless excuse for a human being'?....I'm confused.
I didn't think you would take it so personally, just merely pointing out a mistake like you were
Sincerely,
(Name Omitted Becasue I'm Too Nice...)"

At that point, I realized something was up. I tried to revisit the author's fiction again by the username link just to see if anything had changed again...and it wasn't the same person. Instead, the person writing to me was some sad teenage girl who stated in her profile that she liked flaming people just to see how they react. She had no apparent connection whatsoever to the writer of the story I had reviewed.
My reply here was the end of it, long as it is...

""My retarded" wasn't a typo. It was an exact, deliberate mirror of what you wrote: "your retarded." 'Your' is possessive; 'You're,' the proper word for the connotation you were after, is a contraction of 'you are.' I was pointing out that if I turned the phrase around to reflect myself, I would not have gotten the words "I am retarded," but instead the words "My retarded" - not a contraction or a subject-verb combination, but a first person possessive.
Languages are as highly technical as they are poetic. The sarcasm was not obvious at all, as the set-up of the sentence implied something far more serious. It could easily have been fixed with simple italics, though, or the change in wording from a fairly rare phrase (bang-up) to a more common one (great, wonderful). In fact, it was mostly the usage of the rare phrase that confused me, as I could only assume that the author had misunderstood it before and was misusing it now.
Retardation implies a certain inability to perform mental processes which most human beings find simple or routine. Sorry, but I wasn't raised with the impression of that word being quite as tame as you treat it. It is very easy for that phrase to become a highly personal insult, especially as we're strangers. Banter between friends is often lightly meant and understood as such, but when it comes from someone you don't know, there is no common understanding to soften the meaning to something harmless. Across the internet, I can't tell if you're teasing or if you're honestly trying to blast me with a harsh term.
Out of curiosity, why bother replying to a review of a story not your own? I had not realized it immediately upon your first message, but you are not the author of the fiction I reviewed, and now I have to wonder...
I'll admit that I got short with you in my last reply. I'm sorry it came across as a flame; that was not my intention.
--Oreramar"

Sometimes, a story or a comment deserves flames. Other times, the flamers are little more than kids with nothing better to do, it seems, than try to tie a few tails into knots.
Out of curiosity, did my initial reply come across as a flame to any of you? It was a bit clipped in tone, I think, but a flame? I doubt it...

45 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-07-08 11:02 ID:seG72jmp

>>44 I don't think it was a flame. You were giving constructive critisism. That's what a review is all about. I also have a bad habit of answering in a short, blunt and clipped tone when writing reviews, but I see no other way to sugar-coat the truth.
But hey!!! Don't bunch all us kids in together with those idiots :) I happen to be a very respectable, annoying teenager :)

46 Name: KatonRyu : 2010-07-08 13:31 ID:hIiEzTsO

>>44 Definitely not a flame. I consider that constructive criticism. You assumed the expression was used in a serious way, because apparently that seemed more obvious than sarcasm. If that's the case, then pointing it out to the author is a good thing because they might want to either make the sarcasm more clear or change the expression.

47 Name: RurouniTensai : 2010-07-10 22:28 ID:KXG6eC/Q

Totally not a flame. If you had said that on one of my stories, I would have said "Thanks for the critsisim and I'll make a note of it in the future".

48 Name: Anonymous : 2010-07-11 04:42 ID:igofJw7f

'criticism'

49 Name: castielannatogetherforever : 2010-07-16 14:16 ID:gCk92AaA

Not sure if this counts as a flame but it pissed me off.
i got this review to a cute little story i'd posted about Misha Collins (Castiel from Supernatural) it was goofy little "TRUFAX" that me and some other minions had come up with and i was just sharing them with the fanfiction world. of course this chick had to come along and ruin the fun

"Hey howdy hey, neither lists nor real person fic is allowed on this site.
Abuse reports have been filed on you." - Listen Honey

so basically if you have any You know your obsessed with... lists your not supposed to have those and she could come after you to.

also she had the nerve to add me to her favorite authors list after sending me that.

50 Name: Finny's mommy : 2010-07-16 14:50 ID:vtpdQe0f

>>40: LOL. Yeah, she kind of developed along the way. :p

51 Name: Niori : 2010-07-16 20:06 ID:BrDWVM6f

49- She came off a little rude, but she does have a point: Neither are allowed on ff.net (which I am assuming you used, if not, forgive me).

52 Name: warper : 2010-07-16 21:54 ID:GQosrIcI

I deleted it a long time ago, but one person chewed out my naruto fic just because it was harem fic. She seemed to think she was better than me even though she hadn't written anything herself and still hasn't.

53 Name: warper : 2010-07-16 21:55 ID:GQosrIcI

I deleted it a long time ago, but one person chewed out my naruto fic just because it was harem fic. She seemed to think she was better than me even though she hadn't written anything herself and still hasn't.

54 Name: Oreramar : 2010-07-16 22:02 ID:G+YBMRAz

49 - She was a bit blunt, but I agree with Niori (51): there was a point to it. Perhaps she needn't have filed a report against you right away, I'll admit.
As for her having the 'nerve' to add you to her favorite authors list, perhaps she did it to be nice or because another fic of yours (one that didn't violate FF.Net rules) truly did tickle her fancy. I doubt it was done to rub salt in your wounds.

55 Name: fan-to-fiction : 2010-07-17 06:05 ID:gTab/O7o

I recently got a flame from Penumbra in which she said: Songfics aren't allowed, your story has been reported.

I checked back in my story and found out I had forgotten to delete the song lyrics I had used as inspiration.

So I deleted those and then send a reply in which I said that I had corrected it and that I was sorry for letting her waste her time with the reporting.

Later on, she PM'ed me: 'thank you for acting like an adult with this'

So yeah, her flame wasn't really a flame because she only pointed out to me what wasn't allowed.

56 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-07-17 20:43 ID:WycZUKXP

Flame Rising is the best, or I should say, worst flamer ever.

One of your comments reminded me of a review I recieved for one of my fanfics that poked fun of Twihard behavior.

"Um, yeah, this is too.. serious to be a true twifan, other than that, good job."

I told her, that while I am not a fan of Twilight, there were fans of Twilight who poke fun of the behavior of Twihards. She then went on to say that she was a Twihard, to which I responded, along the lines, is that really something to be proud of. Twilighters deserve a good name, thank you.

57 Name: Lady Hiroko : 2010-07-20 13:22 ID:N+mVMKLb

Ah the war against the (IL) Literate Union in April... They believed a mere kiss was MA. It started with Lambient Penumbra. A guy who has a serious case of Holier than Thou God Complex. They kept quoting what M and MA but don't seem to know the difference. I loved how they mocked me and attempted to humiliate me which failed miserably. For those who partipated or know about it, i was the "General" in that war. Nobody won and it seemed to die down. Oh well. It was fun while it lasted. I think most of it was jealousy. Oh abd they broke thier own rules by turning a blind eye to people who write a direct word for word movies as fanfiction (those belonged in the LU anyway).

58 Name: Lady Hiroko : 2010-07-20 13:23 ID:N+mVMKLb

Ah the war against the (IL) Literate Union in April... They believed a mere kiss was MA. It started with Lambient Penumbra. A guy who has a serious case of Holier than Thou God Complex. They kept quoting what M and MA but don't seem to know the difference. I loved how they mocked me and attempted to humiliate me which failed miserably. For those who partipated or know about it, i was the "General" in that war. Nobody won and it seemed to die down. Oh well. It was fun while it lasted. I think most of it was jealousy. Oh abd they broke thier own rules by turning a blind eye to people who write a direct word for word movies as fanfiction (those belonged in the LU anyway).

59 Name: Lady Hiroko : 2010-07-20 13:26 ID:N+mVMKLb

Damn double post. Sorry if I spelled anything wrong. Typing on an Ipod is annoying.

60 Name: Brains Enough : 2010-07-30 10:44 ID:GgGL/Uol

I usually never flame people. If I really don't like someone's story, I just don't send a review at all. I just sort of...erase it from my memory.
But I was in a HORRIBLE mood one day. I was in the American Idiot section looking for something to read. There's only like, twelve, AI fics up at this point, since the play is only a few months old. There was this one story that was two chapters long. It wasn't the best writing I've ever read, but obviously the person knew how to write. But the story wasn't even about American Idiot! They had a bunch of 'original' names, and I totally flamed them saying how the story sucked and how people can't make up their original characters on this site, and how the poor Producers and American Idiot sectoin keep getting flooded with crap. The next day I got a review reply telling me how the story was about All Tim Low and how they're a newbie and didn't know what section to put it under. They really made me feel bad. So then I apologized and told them that band fiction isn't allowed but the story wasn't horrible. And yeahh, now it's all good.

61 Name: Bob Rhynoplasty : 2010-07-30 15:21 ID:CYylPg8Y

I have gotten a lot of flames in my history as a writer. One of my favorites was for a story I wrote called Confronting Cameron in the House M.D. section. I was annoyed with how Cameron left the show and really annoyed with her attitude about it, so I wrote a little ditty about it. But my review section turned into this battle between Hamerons and the rest of the fandom. Here is the review that started it all:

From "rolls eyes" (I just love that name btw)

great. so now we're at this stage, huh? Idiotic slashers making direct assaults on the Hameron side of this site seeing Cam has left? Why don't you just put this piece of crap on the Chase/House part instead of House/Cameron because it has no place here?

This "story" doesn't belong on House/Cameron side.

You hate Cam a lot because she was standing between your couple, huh?

News flash though: your beloved pairing would never have happened even if there was no Cam ever on this show, nor any other woman, because HOUSE ISN'T GAY!

House/Chase is one of the most ridiculous pairings I've ever encountered, because first, the two men aren't gay (well, at least House isn't, Chase probably himself isn't sure what he is), and they weren't even friends, they hated each other's guts. Get real and get a life.

And the rest of you people who are gushing so much over this hateful excuse for literature: your beloved Chase took advantage of a woman when she was drugged up to her gills aka he raped Cameron. If TPTB weren't such complete morons and had actually had any contact with reality he would've long ago been thrown out of the show because he would've been in prison.

And I really wonder if you'll let this review up.

Not only did I keep it, I put it in my profile. Now I admit that I'm a slash writer generally but this story was very much a general story and I didn't even add innuendos! I always add innuendos. A part of me wonders if this person actually read the story, or just read that I put "Cameron bashing" in my summary.

Another good one, now what makes this one great is that its one of the few flames that I actually let get to me.

I NOW know WHY I didn't READ your OTHER LENGTHY NCIS story, you went with the 'oh so' CLICHE/BORING, OLD PLOT-DEVICE of having Tony RAPED etc... UNCREATIVE!

I get the feeling you'd do the same with these last fews chapters if you could! VERY DISAPPOINTED in your other story! I hate rape stories..Author's who do write those plot-dying plotlines just aren't that good of a writer, if one NEEDS to go down that old so cliche route!

For the record, there was no rape in this story. I don't even know why he/she thought there was rape. The chapter that he/she left this post had absolutely nothing sexual. Well, the main character was naked, but... that's about it.

62 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-07-30 20:08 ID:WycZUKXP

>>2 - I am going back to reading previous posts, and I reread you comments. Sometimes people miss things.

Sometimes I happen into a fanfic where slash is written, by accident. When the story is good, I let them know, that even though I am not a fan of slash, that I happen to think they are writing well, and to keep up the good work. One person asked for feedback, about whether the characters were OoC, and I commented how they were, and they decided, even though they were wanting to be secret about it, that it would possibly be better, to make some of the details clearer. The only time I've left a negative review, has been when someone wrote a slash fanfic between an older and younger female, making both characters OoC to do so. I avoid critiqing slash fanfics otherwise.

I think though, what really caught my attention was "However, I, like other fanfiction.net users, who have actually WROTE stories will know, we all use other people ideas, consciously or not." Sometimes, I just wish that some of the readers, slash or non-slash alike, would remember that someone else did create the fandom and characters in the first place. :(

The response was rather sarcastic, but for that kind of comment, I think it works.

>>5 Unfortunatly, that doesn't mean that people will listen. When I see tons of favorites with both stories and authors, particularly with newbie members, I stop and think... wait, can they really have read all that in the last two months? sigh

>>60 There is a difference between liking and not liking a story, and telling someone that their writing has problems though. If more people went and told people that their fanfic has problems, we would have less badfic, and less likely room for flamers

I don't know what site you are talking about, but I don't know any that OC's aren't alowed. Now, fanfiction.net doesn't allow self-insterts, but that is an intirely different thing.

As for the person being new, I tend to tell them it is best to kick the bad habits in the but while they are new, rather then later on, because by that time it is much harder. But, if your words were a little harsh, as mine have been... (I mean, one review I wrote, I dumbed it down so much, it turned into a flame... oi...) then appologies are in order. But for simply telling them something doesn't work, or isn't well written... no... no appology is needed.

...

Anyways, I critiqued a story and pointed out how bad it was, someone, in their rant flamed me privetly, because I wrote an Avatar: The Last Airbender/Xiolin Showdown crossover. I ended up telling them to grow up.

I also had a ten year old tell me that since I am over twenty and writing fanfiction, I must be gay, and that if they were my parents, they wouldn't want me. They also mentioned that their parents knew very well what they were doing. I left a PM telling them that they should be glad that what they said wasn't public, because I am for one thing, not gay, and their words could be taken as a hate crime, and a true parent would still love their child anyways, even if they wouldn't agree.

I also wrote a consice reply, asking them if their mother really knew that they were using the foul langauge they were using. I purpusly wrote it, so that if they showed it to their parents, their parents would not so much be inclined to let their ten year old have free range of the internet. I mean, I filled it with a lot of the concerns I have, about letting ten to thirteen year olds have free range on the net.

Actually, it wasn't the only one. I think one of the fanfic authors (plural) for this one, are no longer allowed to use their account, because they were writing a Mary Sue character... who shared simular traits as them. Eyes of different color, specific birthmark. They got a huge lecture about internet safety from me... again, worded more for the parents then anything else. They sent back, 'my mom doesn't want me to talk to you'. Actually, from the fact that their account is no longer used, I would say what really happened, was their parents put a stop to the writing of fanfics, until they are hopefully more mature.

63 Name: Brains Enough : 2010-07-31 17:37 ID:GgGL/Uol

I've only gotten one 'flame' ever. But it wasn't even a flame! It was an unsigned review, and all it said was:

"gros"

First of all, please learn how to spell 'gross'. There was nothing gross, disturbing, or insulting about the story. It was one of my first fics ever, and the only thing that made it T rated was slash. But besides that, it was a perfectly clean story. I warned for slash in the description, so there's no excuse there. I guess it was no big deal, but still being a beginner at the time, I wasn't expecting something like that. It just bugs me because if you're going to flame, DO IT RIGHT! Save the flamey attitude for a story that deserves it, and make sure to write more that "gros".

64 Name: Brains Enough : 2010-08-02 14:42 ID:GgGL/Uol

@62
sorry for the confusion. I was on ff.net, but the story I flamed wasn't just an OC. It was bandfiction that was just thrown into a random category. So I ended up being nice in the end and just telling them that bandfiction isn't allowed on the site.

65 Name: QueenSkellington : 2010-08-03 15:36 ID:5PntYt4H

I haven't ever had a flame but one of my Princess and the frog fics did get put into a C2 named "Shit fics that need a good flame" and mine never did. I don't blame them for adding mine though, it was a pretty shitty story and every time I delete it I get a bunch of PM's of people begging me to post it back again so I eventually gave up and left it there

66 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-03 19:20 ID:WycZUKXP

>>64 Ouch! So they were also breaking site rules too.

>>65 I've head of that one. I don't support that kind of C2, even if they are right, because a good deal of the time, it would be made, to get people on a flame wagoning bandwagon. I've run into a good deal of fanfiction bashing sites, and sporking. There are only one sporker that I have ever come to have respect for, and that is Pottersues. If you read her facts and rating system, you'll understand why I have respect for her.

67 Name: YukimuraShuusukegirl : 2010-08-04 03:31 ID:6ZI7bB3+

I have had plenty of flames, the worst one i got was a suicide not the person wrote for me. Telling me how i suck at writing and i should get a life cuse i am always on fanfiction.net.

The other worst review i got said that my story was no good and compared how horrible my stuff was to another author who happes to be my friend. She wasn't to happy when she heard about the review though.

68 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-04 10:19 ID:WycZUKXP

>>67 - when I read 'plenty of flames', and the fact that you got a 'sucide note' review, you made me worried that you were being bullied, and ganged up on stalkers, so, that made me look you up. I saw it happen before, and I don't like it. This wasn't the case though.

I was a tad bit dissapointed that you didn't tell the full story about the second review you mentioned here. You left out the fact that same person, tried leaving you honest critique twice, before they resulted to flaming the third time. You also left out the fact you posted the first and third reviews to a story that this person HADN'T reviewed, creating what amounts to a likely bias for your reviewers.

I am also familiar with this reviewers reviewing style. From what I have seen, they have a three strike rule, for fanfic writers, before they start flaming. They also specialize in reviewing fanfics for gramatical problems. The thing is, for the fanfic in question, they were NOT the only one pointing out that you needed to improve. One person even suggested you get a Beta. That actually says something major, doesn't it?

I am also a little worried that you equate critisism, any negative review you recieve, as a flame, and popularity of a fanfic, as meaning you actually have a high quality fanfic. Seriously, just because someone points out the flaws in your fanfic, does that mean they are flaming you. When you publish on the internet, you can't simply request you only get positive reviews either. And just because you've gotten a lot of reviews, does that mean your story is actually of quality. AND, every fanfic writer has places they can grow.

To note, I might have missed another part of the story myself. However, I really wouldn't have looked into this, if you hadn't made me worried you were being mass flamed.

69 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-04 10:26 ID:WycZUKXP

I recieved a review for my fanfic Sister Avatar. Now, I will freely admit, it definatly needs work, which is why it is getting a complete rewrite. I couldn't help but be a little upset about this one.

...

This is silly. I can tell from the first chapter. You use expository narrative too much, and the interpretation of some things are just wrong. Not to mentioned Aang's OOC meter just broke from overload. You're not even being creative. Oh, so Aang just happens to have two sisters who lived at the Western air temple, who happen to decide to visit him (just to show him a flying bison? Lady, the Avatar world is as big as our world. Going from a Western Air Temple to a Southern Air Temple would be like going from Seattle to South Brazil. A new pet is NOT a good reason to travel that much, not to mention the amount of danger involved in traveling) just as he's about to run away. So the exact same thing happens that happened when Aang was alone.

This is just common sense. If it's two against one, then the two beat one. If a friend of yours is doing something incredibly stupid, you don't go along with it, you stop him! Going past that, wouldn't Iana say something about the storm clouds? I could understand Aang not noticing, but if a rational, normal girl noticed, she'd have said something! It's a poor plot device.

And the two flying lemurs there? It's obvious you just put them there to make your OC's just female versions of Aang.

You also spelled 'Prologue' wrong and have a serious case of OverUse Of Capital Letters Syndrome.

This needs a huge amount of work.

...

First thing was, I corrected the author on a few things, like the fact that the two lemurs were for one of the sisters, (which if she had read the next chapter, that would have been clear), and the fact that Flying Bison are NOT pets.

I also told her that she should NOT have pointed out the prolog/prologue, and that was very rude. I also asked her to expound on the expository narrative, and what she meant by that. I thought, hey... here is something I might be able to improve upon.

Turns out, she was just regurgitating a good deal of stuff she read somewhere, and had no clue what she was talking about. I had thought, finally, my first honset to goodness critique, with only a few errors. Disapointing to find out it was a flame instead, and that she was just writing random things... and in fact hadn't fully read the first chapter.

70 Name: ScifiSOS : 2010-08-04 12:13 ID:rjApeiY3

I've had two flame/bad reviews in my life. One was anoymonous (sp) and the other the person had convienently (sp) forgotten the word FAN in fanfiction and that I had warnings up. Just letting you know I'm a slash writer -so duh-I put warnings. I like writing smut. Not afraid to admit.

My first flame was kind of like: 'what the fuck? That totally sucked' (I took out all their spelling mistakes in this interpretation btw). And I responded with vigor but sinceI couldn't respond I had to make a authors note to that person. Anywho the second flame was horrible (I laughed at it because it seemed horribly funny)and here it is: "Ya know... I really don't give damn if yer a pillow biter cumdumpster yerself, but is it necessary to take well know characters who have never displayed any such traits and pervert them for your own twisted self gratification? Its a terrible trend, it demonstrates the utter lack of any sort of noteworthy skill in the writer and in my opinion is worse than a whole pascel of Mary Sues."

So yeah you can imagine that I was like wtf*ckage. I responded with amusement (because I was amused and giggling) and posted this up as an A/N because I like readers (some who are writers) to know there are people like this out there. The good thing that came out of this is that this awesome fanfictionee had totally outed the person before me. I was like 'omgosh I love you'. Lol.

For me flaming someone - well i haven't but my b*stard of a cousin used my account to flame a gay-hater and I was in shock when I got the reply. Hence had to explain I didn't flame blah-blah etc. I did however give a review that gave feedback. I think I got a long message cussing me out. Then I noticed that my whole review wasn't displayed and I guess my pc totally went crazy and cut me off at 'you should edit it' when I had a longer paragraph than that. So...I guess that could be considered a faulty flame?

Anywho all of you Have a wonderful afternoon!!
~ScifiSOS

71 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-04 13:13 ID:WycZUKXP

>>70 - I am not sure what to say about the first one. The second one, their laungage was uncalled for. However, they did say something that you may want to think about.

If you really are giving canon characters traits that are OoC for them, twisting them so that they aren't recognizable, just for your self gratification, where is the fan in that? I can't be a judge on this one, but if I found someone doing this for straight pairings for a fandom I read for, I would call them out, for being disrespectful to the fandom. I guess a good way I put it is this.

If the original creator were to come and read your fanfic, would they be flattered, or insult? A fan should try for the first, not the second, and if they know something is an insult to the original creator, they shouldn't be surprised when people come down on them.

From your post though, I am quessing it was more of... an anti-slash person, then someone who's crit was ligit?

72 Name: ScifiSOS : 2010-08-04 13:59 ID:rjApeiY3

I didn't make them too OOC. My style was changing (again) and tried to stick with as close to OOC can get. Malfoy was a manipulative, snobby, spoiled, brat who wanted a whole new wardrobe. It was based around that anyways. Harry totally gave Malfoy the 'PHAIL' by saying denying the request for a new wardrobe. I definately had no mary-sue trait in there so that was my wtf*ckage moment really. I don't think all fanfiction writers can perfect the original character because it isn't their character. JKR created it. She literally knows the character inside and out.

Not really ligit if they completely ignore the warnings. Those warnings are always on the top of my story and are bolded. It would be more understandable if they pointed out what was actually tooooo OOC about it. My usual and common warnings: MalexMale relationships, lemon, PWP, and possible OOCness.

73 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-04 17:25 ID:WycZUKXP

>>72 - Actually, I agree with you. It would have been more ligit if they had pointed out how it was too OoC. Actually, that seems IC at times for Malfoy. And Harry.

I actually though, suggest author's avoiding using the 'possible OoCness' in author notes. From my experience, it leaves people more open to flames, and makes it seem as if they author isn't confident in how well they know the character, even if this is other wise true.

74 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-08-05 14:12 ID:seG72jmp

Wow...this is the first time one of my threads have really kicked off. Happy dance. Thought I'd add my latest flame:
"Get a life."
Can this be counted as a flame? Or just idle rudeness? The commenter is like a flamer who's not a flame, he/she's barely a spark...There an ash!

75 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-05 19:33 ID:WycZUKXP

>>74 - Concidering where we tend to see it, yeah... I would count it as a flame.

76 Name: XxObsessivexX : 2010-08-08 19:24 ID:9wF1Ui7i

hahaha i dont know much flamers. but i can see many on others fitions. i dont memorize their names but i would absolutely hate reviews like "i dont like this paring, i like so-and-so much better!"

if u dont like hte pairing, why are u reading it?

77 Name: YamiTenshi : 2010-08-18 17:00 ID:qR9A450Q

>>11

I wish I remembered the name of the site I'm thinking of, but I have a feeling you'd love it. There's one thread about what happens when Twihards find out someone doesn't love Twilight. They have some awesome stories on there, though my personal favorite is 'chick who gets books chucked at her in a library by a rabid Twihard'. I'll have to get back to you on that.

>>Everyone who mentioned NC-17/MA ratings

The story of how ffnet got rid of its MA rating is kinda awesome and kinda depressing. I shall have to tell it to you all some time.

>>40

Thank you so very much for sharing that with us. Punished for your insolence, heh heh...

The only 'flaming' message I've ever gotten was way back when in the beginning of my fanfic career and was comprised of nothing but exclamation points, pound signs, and question marks. Confused, I asked if the person was a fangirl of a character that I had bashed (parody fic) and if that was why they just put symbols in the review. The response was along the lines of 'WTF im not gay! ur fic is so stupid, you deserve to die!' with a few more 'I'm not gay's and a choice series of expletives and methods in which I should perish. He then proceeded to send death threat PMs to me for a month when they abruptly stopped. Being twelve, I didn't consider the possibility of reporting him to the admins and thinking back on it, someone sustaining a similar form of harassment probably did.

I sorta wish I hadn't deleted that fic or the flaming PMs now, so I could show you them in their full, nonsensical glory. I guess I could thank him, given that the flamer was why I started saving all my reviews and PMs in my inbox.

78 Name: Niori : 2010-08-18 18:39 ID:BrDWVM6f

77- Yes, please do tell us how/why ff.net got rid of MA ratings. I am oh so curious.

79 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-19 22:45 ID:xD5X8tAn

>>77 - You're talking about Twilight Sucks, a site made to look at the series critically. Google Twihard attack, and you are likely to find it too. They revamped their forums, so here is the new archive.

http://twilightsucks.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=12059

If that person had hit my fanfics, I would have reported them. If I knew they hit someone, same thing.

80 Name: YamiTenshi : 2010-08-20 18:43 ID:qR9A450Q

>>79 Thanks. :)

Okay, so this is how the MA rating on ffnet was killed:

Once upon a time there was a lovely young lady author much like you or I who, in the height of the Yu-Gi-Oh craze in America, decided to write a Kaiba/Joey fic that turned out to be a tiny bit on the graphic side. She figured, 'no problem' and put it under the MA rating without a second thought. Now, with YGO's rapidly increasing popularity, internet searches for all things YGO related also increased and an eleven year-old boy stumbled across ffnet. With wide eyes he delved into the enticing new world of fanfiction, reading every YGO thing he could get his cursor on. And thus, he happened upon our lady author's fic. Completely disregarding the MA rating (he was eleven and that was mature enough!) the boy clicked on the story and read it in its entirety. Horrified by the contents, he immediately ran to his mother and wailed about the despicable thing he had found. Obligated to protect her son from internet smut and all other worldly ickiness, the woman went on a vicious email crusade, flooding the administrator's inboxes with her motherly wrath. Their servers inundated, the admins had no choice but to surrender. They deleted the fic and purged the site of the MA rating to appease the dragon lady.

Not one to be put down so easily, the young authoress promptly wrote a new fanfic with a much lower rating, this one heavily on the sarcastic side, that centered on a conversation between the YGO cast about what would happen if one or more of them happened to be gay--because by this time, she had figured out that the major reason the kid complained was because the sex in the first fic had been very, very gay and he probably would not have complained if it had been het. The kid, who had not learned his lesson by this time, read this one as well and true to form, complained. But unfortunately for him, the admins could do nothing about it because they were only talking about nongraphic things and the spunky fanfic girl was completely within her writing rights.

So, while the MA rating was no more, a new age dawned upon ffnet, an age that was still full of ghey buttsex and other nefarious naughtiness, but one where they were forced to lay hidden in M rated fics instead. For a while, the admins really cracked down on people, deleting fics left and right, but they eventually got lazy and now only annihilate fics on occasion when people bother to report them (sometimes not even then), which no one does. (Except people in the +Anima section, but I've already mentioned that in another forum.)

The authoress, though she retired from fanfiction, stayed in internet writing long enough to post her ordeal as a chapter of a semi-autobiographical story on FictionPress. All the other fanfic writers, still happy to write stories with buttsex in them, are grateful that there is still an M rating. The admins are busy working on the site, constantly updating and changing things--sometimes to extreme annoyance of the authors--and doing what they do best.

And they all lived happily ever after.

Except maybe that stupid kid who reported the girl's fic. He's probably still a douchebag.

That, my dears, is the story of how MA got the axe (in special faerie tale format just for you) and now you know it, whether you want to or not.

I started on ffnet towards the tail end of the deleting craze and got a fic of mine deleted also. Not that it was pr0n or anything. They said something about audience participation...

So... Yeah.

81 Name: Jen : 2010-08-21 17:33 ID:lWEarLFI

>>80

Heh. I liked your narrative style xD

Do you know around what time this happened, though, and how long the MA rated stories haven't been allowed?

82 Name: YamiTenshi : 2010-08-21 18:58 ID:qR9A450Q

That's a good question. Like I said, I came in at the end of the deleting craze and that was five years ago, so at least that long. You'd probably have to ask either an admin or someone who's been on the site longer.

83 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-21 19:46 ID:xD5X8tAn

>>79 - I heard it was a really graphic Power Ranger fanfic. I think though, MA should be restricted to sites where you have to click something that says I am this age at least, blah... blah. In those cases, the site can contact the mother and say, hey... your son clicked that he was old enough to view it. He said he was eighteen, when he is eleven.

There are people, who are trying to get the MA rating back up. I don't think they should. It would be a nice way to get the site closed down. And no... fanfiction.net is not infringing upon people's free speech. They aren't saying, don't write this, just... this isn't appropriate for our site.

84 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-21 19:46 ID:xD5X8tAn

Ohh... and I beleive it's been since 2002.

85 Name: YamiTenshi : 2010-08-21 22:01 ID:qR9A450Q

Eight years... Wow.

86 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-08-22 09:46 ID:seG72jmp

If my mother knew the things I was reading...well, I doubt she's report it, but probably ban me from my laptop for a life time. But no worries, my brother was an ipod...with internet!!!! evil laught.

87 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-08-22 09:46 ID:seG72jmp

If my mother knew the things I was reading...well, I doubt she's report it, but probably ban me from my laptop for a life time. But no worries, my brother was an ipod...with internet!!!! evil laugh.

88 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-22 10:28 ID:xD5X8tAn

>>86 - In other words, she would take the assumtion that it was her porogative, not the internets to raise her kids. Which... is the way it should be. Jessie Slaughter sigh

89 Name: Jen : 2010-08-22 13:12 ID:tok0nZjQ

>>84

Oh, wow. I've only been on FF.net since '06.

I don't usually read MA content, unless it's in a usually T-ish fic. Then I just skim (because there could be a few important lines) and continue reading after.

Most of my fics are T for language and a bit of violence. One's K+ for one swear, just 'damn'. Another is just K+ for mentioning of death.

And for responding to this actual thread, because I haven't done so yet, I haven't gotten any flames. I did have one really great person who gave wonderful CC on my first story, but that's it.

90 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-22 16:08 ID:xD5X8tAn

I started lurking around 2003. I think that was when they were being REALLY hard at getting rid of MA fanfics, because one M rated fanfic, that was really MA in content, but was good, got removed. So yes... there was no MA rating back when I first started lurking. Lurking is not the same as having an account.

I have written M rated fanfics, but never any MA. I personally believe that one should be respectful in the tone of their writing.

Also, I am glad that you haven't been flamed. But, if you see a flame, don't hesitate to tell us about it, even if it isn't for your fanfic.

91 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-08-23 05:23 ID:seG72jmp

Okay, I'm kinda confused, considering I've only been into and discoverd fanfiction in '09. What's the difference between M and MA? Mature Adult? Because the majority of M fics I've read have sex and violence, ect. Are they the same thing but have the authors just put it under M because MA is no longer available?
What I mean is, if a story which is now rated under M was written in 2002, or whenever, would it be under MA. And is T now what M was back then?

92 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-23 09:22 ID:xD5X8tAn

No, they aren't the same thing. MA is even more explicit then the M rating. Some people can't tell the difference, but there is a difference in the tone of the writing.

  • M is "not suitable for children or teens below the age of 16 with possible strong but non-explicit adult themes, references to violence, and strong coarse language."
  • MA is "Content is only suitable for mature adults. May contain explicit language and adult themes."

93 Name: B. : 2010-08-25 07:06 ID:vtpdQe0f

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3247604/1/Revelation

This really brought tears to my eyes, and not from happiness. How could one disgrace something like that??

94 Name: Lupa Dracolis : 2010-08-25 07:39 ID:HapAlkdl

What.

95 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-25 09:40 ID:xD5X8tAn

>>94 - They posted to the wrong thread... it was supposed to be for stories that make you cry.

96 Name: Vic Taylor : 2010-08-25 09:50 ID:zYNus/Fe

Though it does fit in here, seeing as 'B' did flame the story.

97 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-08-26 06:24 ID:seG72jmp

>>93 To be honest, this is supposed to be a thread about you being flamed, not you flaming others. It's kind of mean how you flamed him/her...I personally only read the first paragraph and I didn't like it, but I would never flame her (I'm presuming it's a girl).

98 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-26 14:26 ID:xD5X8tAn

>>96 - Ahh... miss read the post.

>>97 - I agree with you. Despite the fact that the person is purposly writing badfic, even they didn't deserve to be flamed. Simply to be told off.

99 Name: Lupa Dracolis : 2010-08-27 02:03 ID:HapAlkdl

>>95 No no, the 'what' was after reading some of the story. It's actually horrific.

100 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-08-27 11:09 ID:seG72jmp

Yeah, it was a bad fic but it deserves constructive critisism not cruelty.

101 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-27 17:15 ID:xD5X8tAn

>>99 - Yeah... I finally got it. I tell some authors, ask yourself, when you are posting to the internet, would the creator of the fandom, if they came by, be flattered by what you wrote, or insulted. If it is the latter of the two, don't expect readers to not say anything. Also, ask yourself, is this what you want done to your own characters, if you wrote something. You shouldn't do something to someone elses work, you wouldn't want done to yours.

102 Name: moonphase : 2010-08-28 05:39 ID:g0BgszUl

I haven't ever been flamed but I have gotten a really pointless review. It was "bah dah oo wee."

Lol, yeah and that's it. I kinda laughed it off because it's so silly, but at the same time, it was pretty annoying because I put effort into this story and someone couldn't be bothered to say anything sensible. Unless it's some kind of joke that just flew over my head.

103 Name: moonphase : 2010-08-28 05:45 ID:g0BgszUl

I haven't ever been flamed but I have gotten a really pointless review. It was "bah dah oo wee."

Lol, yeah and that's it. I kinda laughed it off because it's so silly, but at the same time, it was pretty annoying because I put effort into this story and someone couldn't be bothered to say anything sensible. Unless it's some kind of joke that just flew over my head.

104 Name: Jaygirl942 : 2010-08-28 16:19 ID:seG72jmp

>>102 Yeah it seems fairly pointless. Maybe the reviewer was just a really bad speller? Lol, I've had reviews like that...

105 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-28 18:38 ID:xD5X8tAn

>>104 - I don't think that counts as bad spelling. I think that counts as simply being silly.

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