what do you think of POV storys? (57)

1 Name: Scarlet The Hedgehog 2009 : 2010-02-18 13:01 ID:GOV03U8A

Just wondering, what do you guys think of POV (point of view) storys? I written one but i wanna know what you guys think!

2 Name: セーラーエリスは刀の女ですか。 : 2010-02-18 13:14 ID:JA2c70wL

I mostly write third person POV in few cases i do use a character's POV is more difficult to write than the third person.
I have read very good written POVs so far in my fandom, so I am totally okay with it.
As all kind of things in FF, as long as it is well written then everything is okay.

3 Name: ... : 2010-02-18 14:22 ID:DiYZzXiM

Hmm...

On deciphering the thread title and first post, it would appear that this thread is about what people think about tales written in the first person. I think.

I frequently use the first person, because I can be as inarticulate and lazy as I want, and then say, 'Oh, that's just the character'. The only exception occurs when I write from the POV this persona is semi-based on, as that character is eloquent, witty, and a master of dry humour. As I am not, this causes me some trouble.

4 Name: Sharingansupergirl : 2010-02-18 14:56 ID:nHc6Gk0W

I use both, depending whenever i'm recalling a story to an audience, or having them witness it as you might watch tv. I had also a little rant on the annoying single line pov's, but after my phone deleted it for the fourth time i gave up.

5 Name: Francys Pai : 2010-02-18 17:18 ID:HtoiK4iM

I tend to enjoy writing them since it was my primary way of writing up until about 3 years ago. The big switch over from continually writing in first person to third was insanely difficult and I do tend to stray back to it now and then just for some insight on my characters (I use them just to get to know my character better but not in a final piece, it all gets switched to third for a final).

6 Name: Colinamilly : 2010-02-18 17:47 ID:F+lguxHu

mm... good question. well i used to write in first person and i used to find it difficult to include other characters. i still do. the example would be, when more than one characters are doing something, and nomally the readers would want to know what the other characters were feeling at that particullar time.

its also limiting to use different techniques of writing. for example, if the character is someone who is laid back and maybe of the lower class, it doesnt fit when you use complex sentences and use language that would nomally fit someone from an upper class. and vise versa.

so i prefer using third person, its a lot easier to write about more that one character in one paragraph!

okay, then, now to when i am reading others's stories. i dont have a problem with them as long as the story is not repeated through each characters pov. and as long as it flows nicely without me having to go back and read again just to figure out which character is which. and lastly, as long as the use of "I" is not repeated so much that it just feels like you are reading a poem

7 Name: RayRay : 2010-02-18 17:53 ID:AfJWMuPm

I find it harder to write in first person than third person, I've never really figured out why, I guess I just like to be on the outside looking in, and to be honest, I tried to write first person and it turned out terrible.

So honestly.

I think I like 3rd person.

8 Name: LASER : 2010-02-18 18:13 ID:5dvZ8qa3

>>3 This pretty much

1st person lets you be so sloppy without getting out of character

9 Name: Vic Taylor : 2010-02-18 19:36 ID:jtTe9atK

I'm writing a story currently where I switch between different character's POVs and 3rd person. I find it workable and my readers have commented on how much they enjoy the differing perspectives.

My only problem is the tenses. blushes

10 Name: KiteRunner : 2010-02-19 03:15 ID:dfY2FpLB

>>9 I have the same problem with tenses too, you're not alone.

I write in both third and first person, although my tendancies lie in third person. I don't really know why, now that I think about it, but I just do: even when it might be easier to use a first person perspective, I still prefer third.

11 Name: セーラーエリスは刀の女ですか。 : 2010-02-19 04:01 ID:JA2c70wL

>>9 & >>10 I have problem right now with a fic, I started it in First person POV, and in present tense! it works well so far but is really and I mean REALLY difficult to continue in present tenses, I need to turn it into past tense [keeping the first person POV].

12 Name: Chris000 : 2010-02-19 13:00 ID:SVfSmqPq

3rd person exclusively. When I was just starting out, I tried to do a first person told by another character. She was not omniscient so she didn't know what the main character was thinking. That being said, I soon dropped the idea. I was only eight when I went through with it.

I like using a god-like perspective. Makes things MUCH clearer.

13 Name: tiger002 : 2010-02-19 14:26 ID:2Lkwvf3n

Yea, the omnipotent perspective is helpful, especially when you have several main characters. It's also good when parts of the story are taking place in different locations, so you can still show both parts.

14 Name: ... : 2010-02-19 15:12 ID:DiYZzXiM

If we are discussing 3rd as well...

I switch between 1st and 3rd in original fiction. 1st for the main character (and the main body of the text) and third for the minor ones. I once wrote a five hundred page... thing... that was all in 1st, and switched narrators whenever I got bored of one. It was a rambling mess, but a lot of fun to write. For fanfics, I stick to either 1st or 3rd, because I generally write short pieces. If it's in 3rd, though, there will be a lot of italicised thoughts.

3rd is better for action scenes; one does not have to go into as much detail concerning thoughts etc (which slow the action). 1st has the potential to be very funny or very irritating (Bartimaeus Vs Bella Swan). With 3rd, a character can say one thing and think/mean another for dramatic purposes. With 1st, it's generally for humour, unless one establishes an unreliable narrator (and THEN, of course, it's more difficult for the reader to like the protagonist).

In a word, complicated.

15 Name: abvamp : 2010-02-20 07:39 ID:MMWHHYS3

@eeyop1428 Let me ask you this. What is worse?

Denying that your gay/lesbian, marying a woman/man and have children. Feeling miserable in your marriage and go commit adultery by going outside your marriage and find the one you really want to be with?

Or,

Being with the one you truly love, live very happy and just enjoy life?

To me and I know most people on this thread the answer is very clear. I'll hope you are able to see beyond the 'good book' and look into your heart what really matters, being happy, it doesn't matter with who you're happy.

16 Name: abvamp : 2010-02-20 07:40 ID:MMWHHYS3

>>15Oops wrong thread, sorry guys.

17 Name: abvamp : 2010-02-20 07:41 ID:MMWHHYS3

>>15Oops wrong thread, sorry guys.

18 Name: Chris000 : 2010-02-20 08:38 ID:RyRvGIHw

Yup, got that right.

19 Name: Iaculus : 2010-02-20 09:19 ID:znS7HPqv

I mostly use limited third-person perspective - it makes it easier to jump between the viewpoints of different characters, whilst retaining many of the benefits of first-person. With third-person omniscient, it's too easy to end up in the pitfalls of informed attributes and telling rather than showing.

20 Name: ... : 2010-02-20 10:27 ID:DiYZzXiM

I suppose third person omniscient can be good for alienating the reader (for humour, or a more artistic purpose) but I've never tried it, except for prologues/epilogues. I think you run the risk of disengaging your audience, or, as Iaculus says, spoonfeeding them.

21 Name: Chris000 : 2010-02-20 12:31 ID:RyRvGIHw

why? you prefer a first person experience or a non-omniscient 3rd?

22 Name: Tristana : 2010-02-20 12:38 ID:R8WwOU1T

Well, 1st person for some short pieces but very rarely. I tend to stick to a POV oriented 3rd person, if it makes any sense.

I don't like the idea of being limited to one character and I don't want this impression I constantly have of 'shunning' my characters out. For my original, that is.

The fanfics, it all depends but I have to say that it greatly depends on the type of fic, the characters and what I want to express.

23 Name: tiger002 : 2010-02-22 07:35 ID:vpcZN+ai

>>22 I know what you mean using a POV oriented 3rd person, and that's something I do somewhat too. I like telling the from the perspective of the main characters, but still using a third person to add in other details they might not see. That and third person is just easier to write imo.

24 Name: Lorze the Brookes : 2010-02-23 17:17 ID:4HQduQhP

My main story is 1st person POV, and the only 2 annoying things with that for me is when I switch to a different, 3rd person POV story I keep forgetting which POV I'm in D:

And then the other is that I'm loathe to leave my 1st person POV for any reason, so all plot points have to be weaved in as she figures them out. Which can be annoying when I've got the plot all worked out in my head. Lol.

But I love 1st person POV. Especially when my OC is based off myself :D

25 Name: Fee : 2010-02-24 04:53 ID:5YI+FICE

I don't enjoy writing in 3rd person at all, becase I find it difficult to add in aopinions and stuff that actually makes some of my stories half decent. But with some things, third person works more easily, like with a lot of the stuff I write for school. My NaNo 2008 (epic fail, btw) was entirely in 3rd person and tht was one of the reason for the fail.

Excuse the spelling, Im writing this in lesson and am trying not to look like Im doing stuff I shouldnt be. Pretending to do work that I finished about half and hour ago.

26 Name: Fee : 2010-02-24 04:54 ID:5YI+FICE

I don't enjoy writing in 3rd person at all, becase I find it difficult to add in aopinions and stuff that actually makes some of my stories half decent. But with some things, third person works more easily, like with a lot of the stuff I write for school. My NaNo 2008 (epic fail, btw) was entirely in 3rd person and tht was one of the reason for the fail.

Excuse the spelling, Im writing this in lesson and am trying not to look like Im doing stuff I shouldnt be. Pretending to do work that I finished about half and hour ago.

27 Name: Chris000 : 2010-02-24 09:48 ID:SVfSmqPq

What I want to know is if there is a 2nd Person narrative. Do you think one exists and if anybody is in their right mind to use it?

28 Name: RayRay : 2010-02-24 09:58 ID:JXePkwy1

There is such a thing as 2nd Person, but it's rather confusing as far as I can recall.

"The second-person narrative is a narrative mode in which the protagonist or another main character is referred to by employment of second-person personal pronouns and other kinds of addressing forms, for example the English second-person pronoun "you"."

Fairly confusing. Example from Wikipedia, since I suck at italicising and stuff...

"You are not the kind of guy who would be at a place like this at this time of the morning. But here you are, and you cannot say that the terrain is entirely unfamiliar, although the details are fuzzy. —Opening lines of Jay McInerney's Bright Lights, Big City (1984)"

29 Name: RayRay : 2010-02-24 10:00 ID:JXePkwy1

Oh for fucks sake is there no such thing as a line break here. Urgh, apologies for the page stretching, I'll see if the admin can fix it.

30 Name: Iaculus : 2010-02-24 10:02 ID:whahZauQ

>>26 Why so? Characters' opinions in third-person seem pretty easy to convey to me.

Example:

William stared at the cuttlefish as it floated in midair, its tentacles gently wafting in the breeze. The cuttlefish stared back, its bulbous eyes gleaming in a manner most uncomfortable. Molluscs had always made him nervous, and the airborne variety were no better.

Nevertheless, there was no sense in being impolite. "How may I help you... umm... sir?"

The cuttlefish wiggled its tentacles, causing William to step back and eye the exits. We Require A Room.

It had not spoken - the words had simply projected themselves into the clerk's head. He hated it when they did that.

"Certainly, sir. How long will you be staying?"

Five Nights. Non-Smoking. We Have A Voucher.

"Oh? Do you? Let me see... I'm sorry, sir, but this is out of date. See? On the back of the- NGAAAHH!"

We Have A Voucher.

William collapsed, hyperventilating, onto the desk, as the psychic attack ravaged his synapses. Centuries of agony seemed to pass, though he knew it to be mere seconds, and as it faded, he looked up with a weak smile.

"A-and a v-very n-nice voucher it is too, s-sir. Now, if you'll j-just sign the p-paperwork here and here..."

Once their latest tenant had departed, he reached under his desk, picked up a bottle, and poured himself a very large drink. The shaking in his hands caused several errant droplets to spill across the wooden surface, raising wisps of steam wherever they landed. He really needed to find a new job.

31 Name: Iaculus : 2010-02-24 10:05 ID:whahZauQ

>>28 Indeed.

First-person: "I did this."

Second-person: "You did this."

Third-person: "She did this."

32 Name: ... : 2010-02-24 11:15 ID:DiYZzXiM

*loves Iaccy*

*is confused about why people find the 2nd person confusing*

33 Name: RayRay : 2010-02-24 12:09 ID:JXePkwy1

I wrote the first sentence before I went on google to clarify what I thought 2nd person was and just never bothered to identify that it really isn't so bad.

As for saying the explanation was fairly confusing, I did mean the explanation of it... Wikipedia has a weird way of wording things. 2nd person is harder to write in I would definately imagine though, it's better used for more descriptive things. If I use the example from Futurama - on the in-show program, 'The Scary Door'

The narrative there is second person, and works pretty damn well, but only for it's purpose. I can't imagine reading something extensive in 2nd person.

34 Name: Fee : 2010-02-24 13:11 ID:eBLQvbjm

>>30 I know that it can be easy to do, I just don't find it at all easy. I find that I sound stupid (generally not difficult) if I try and write it in third person, so I generally...don't.

35 Name: tiger002 : 2010-02-24 21:02 ID:vpcZN+ai

I might try a oneshot in second person, see if I can pull it off. Maybe, write it in first person, from the perspective of someone who can't do anything, and his having people tell him what happened. I could see it working.

36 Name: Chris000 : 2010-02-25 09:42 ID:SVfSmqPq

I think a oneshot has potential for that kind of thing. Anything longer than that might have some difficulty associated with it.

37 Name: Swiftswallow : 2010-02-28 06:25 ID:t81e1oHi

I think 1st person can be really good for creating twists in the plot though. If you switch between peoples views. For example you could have 2 people working against each other thinking there against each other but in reality working on the same side. It was a bad example I know but you get the idea. I hope.

38 Name: Iaculus : 2010-02-28 06:44 ID:wX4J//z6

>>37 Can't you do that with limited third-person, too?

Honestly, I can't really see a reason for using the first-person past tense unless you're writing someone's journal, or a story they're recounting to someone else. First-person present, on the other hand, has the advantage of an extra layer of intimacy. You're writing the character's thoughts as they have them, allowing you to get into their heads even more whilst maintaining a measure of dramatic tension usually lost to the feeling that 'oh, he's the narrator, he obviously survived this'.

39 Name: Anonymous : 2010-02-28 08:24 ID:KRTc7ov3

1st person past is good for twists. Start in the 1st person, recount a tale in 1sty 3rd (as though you're talking to someone) and then reveal at the end the whole 'I was the killer' business.

40 Name: Windesque : 2010-02-28 10:19 ID:jo0AR1Yq

I'm not a massive fan of first-person writing, unless it's something that needs it, such as a diary or blog.

I prefer sticking to third person.

41 Name: Chris000 : 2010-02-28 22:58 ID:P0PYY6cL

@Iaculus

can't you also avoid the whole 'he's the narrator he survived' by having the anonymous narrator who's 'god' so to speak?

42 Name: inulover90 : 2010-03-03 10:07 ID:Bx2c3hiy

>>40
i'd have to agree.

i tried to write from a characters perspective but then i needed to put in what other characters thought to themselves and it really doesn't work for y writing style... i think i would have to go with 3rd person also.

43 Name: swiftswallow : 2010-03-03 10:40 ID:t81e1oHi

@Iaculus
You can do that with third person and I would have to agree with you on the whole intimacy thing.
@inulover90
When you write 1st person you can also get what other people think though. You just switch from person to person. It can be really good for understanding how people work and allowing people to mis-interpete ( is that the correct spelling?)what other people say. Small Island was written that way and it's award winning. I can see your point though.

44 Name: Angharadxoxo : 2010-03-03 13:04 ID:bZbfZ2E5

I like both 1st and 3rd person in stories but what I don't like is when they constantly switch between people - it gets too confusion I've read stories that have chapters that are one 1,500 words long but change point of view about 5 times. Once or twice yeah all good but limit it....

45 Name: Fee : 2010-03-03 15:40 ID:eBLQvbjm

>>44 So long as they can decide whether they're writing in 1st, 2nd or 3rd person I can just about put up with it (mostly because I used to be guilty of it.) Sometimes the POV swap can depend on the story (not often though.)

46 Name: J : 2010-03-03 16:50 ID:78ukpDkb

First off, I want to say this is in reference to fanfiction only. In published work I'll read a good book whatever point of view it's in.

It all depends on the author and the story. As long as the writing, plot and characterisation are good, then I couldn't care less what point of view it's written in - though experience says it's generally rare to find good fanfiction in first or second point of view, which leads to a personal preference for third person stories.

I'm not a fan of second person point of view, it usually gives off a certain amateurish feel, I just don't like (I'd make exceptions if it was written particularly well, but I've never seen a good second person fanfic).

What really bothers me is when an author’s tense or POV change without changing characters or chapters (that is to say, does it unintentionally). I absolutely hate that! It really throws you out of a story. In general I also can't stand stories that swap from first to third person point of view at any point (I.E, from one chapter to the next), but that's just a personal thing.

As for writing myself, it depends entirely on the piece. It's rarely something I think consciously about; I just start writing whatever comes and make sure it sticks to one POV.

@ the people saying you can be sloppy with 1st person writing: If anything, as a reader, I'd say you have to be more careful (in fanfiction at least). You have to ensure you write every word in a way the character would, not only say it, but think it, and you're also very limited about how you write, you can only write about what that character can see and hear, that character never knows how another really thinks or feels. First person fics that aren't very careful about wording, phrasing and content are usually not very good to read.

47 Name: inulover90 : 2010-03-03 22:02 ID:9TRAxwbj

>>43
i never thought of really switching from person to person, but i think that was mostly due to my writing style with what i want the readers to see and that when i try to do 1st person it's mostly for one person to tell the story. i think i might try switching POV in a story sometime, just to see how it works out for me.

48 Name: Marth : 2010-03-05 22:00 ID:fpKPOjZd

Bad first-person fics are just about my least favorite area of badfic. I loves me some unreliable narrators, but too many writers think that first person is just third person with all the "he"s changed to "I"s.

And I agree with J: Sloppy first-person writing is a lot more obvious than sloppy third-person writing.

49 Name: Theos the Hedgehog : 2010-03-07 18:22 ID:H3K1zb8N

I think POV fanfics are incredibly difficult to write. If you're writing in 3rd person, you can visualise teh character, what they say, what they do. In 1st person, you have to visualise yourself as the character, which can must more challenging. Saying that, I'm in the process of writing one in 1st person, so here's hoping I prove myself wrong!!

50 Name: RoseandThorns : 2010-03-08 06:33 ID:tuP7eYD3

Oddly enough, I find 3rd person fics almost impossible to write and they can come across as being sloppy. I write in 1st person and find it a lot easier. But I guess it depends on the story and on the writer themselves.

51 Name: Erk Mizuhara : 2010-03-08 08:23 ID:9jHNucbg

First person POV can be a potentially powerful tool when writing. It's easy to depict a certain characters' perceptions and emotions throughout the story. However, it comes at the cost of a balanced view of other characters and events, which Third person accomplishes far better. As long as First person is written well, the story is good and enjoyable, but Third person can be just as effective.
In the end, it boils down to your writing style.

52 Name: mikirobbo : 2010-03-08 12:30 ID:Ti8ghbMB

I can only write in POV, It probably sounds really silly but i get so in touch with the character that i almost become them making a third person story very difficult for me to write. The only problem i found with this style is that i wanted to know what the other characters were thinking, therefore, i have written my story in a number of different POV's. I came up with the idea after reading Breaking Dawn. I loved the way SM wrote Book 2 in Jacob's POV, i never really understood or liked his character until then. Jacob is now one of my favourite characters to write in.

53 Name: Emma : 2010-03-11 09:53 ID:OXJdcAYX

I like POV stories because you can really get what they thinking. when i read it, it's almost like I am the character and not me. I don't know about anyone else but I am bad at spellings and, when I read it in their point of view, it really helps me with spellings if that makes sence. of cours, that sounds really strange doesn't it?

54 Name: Emma : 2010-03-11 09:53 ID:OXJdcAYX

I like POV stories because you can really get what they thinking. when i read it, it's almost like I am the character and not me. I don't know about anyone else but I am bad at spellings and, when I read it in their point of view, it really helps me with spellings if that makes sence. of cours, that sounds really strange doesn't it?

55 Name: xxxLoonyxxx : 2010-03-12 10:00 ID:vjOxuA7j

It depends upon the way it's written, I always write in present tense and sometimes past tense, because it's easier for my ideas to flow. When reading, I don't mind as long as the personality of the character is good.

56 Name: xxxLoonyxxx : 2010-03-12 10:00 ID:vjOxuA7j

It depends upon the way it's written, I always write in present tense and sometimes past tense, because it's easier for my ideas to flow. When reading, I don't mind as long as the personality of the character is good.

57 Name: ravengal : 2010-03-17 19:04 ID:uKEB0gWy

I used to write in a 3rd-person omniscient style, but I found that 3rd-person free indirect style (or 3rd-person over-the-shoulder) works better for me.

I find it weird to write in 1st-person... and I don't know if I COULD write in 2nd-person.

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