Cliche - Good or bad? (10)

1 Name: Tenshi-chan : 2010-02-13 07:36 ID:F4SpNC6v

The problem I have with writing fanfictions (and my own stories aswell) is that there have been so many ideas done already that it's difficult to come up with a gripping story that people havent' seen before.

For example, I once found an excellent written story in fictionpress. But unfortunatly its popular was non-existant due to the summary of it being from a female point of view and the first chapter being something that has seen before.

Are people getting fed up of stories with teenage heroins? Stories told from girls POVs? Even when I think of a story I want to write, I often dismiss it thinking it's arleady been over used too much already.

Your thoughts?

2 Name: RayRay : 2010-02-13 08:04 ID:a3C9vg2A

I think almost every idea now is cliché...

But honestly, I'll read a story with a clichéd plot, because if the writing is good, then it's still something that I'll enjoy reading. The problem here begins when the story is poorly written, and you can see that the Author has made no attempt to make the idea their own.

There's always that little thing called a plot twist, but so many don't make use of them. If it's badly written I stay away, but if it's well written I'll generally read it anyway.

3 Name: Iaculus : 2010-02-13 08:10 ID:NT6b5pqk

Originality is certainly a draw. It's my opinion that as a writer, your job should be to provide something unique and worthwhile, whether as a new spin on old concepts or something wholly original. This goes double for fanfics, where the very purpose is to add something extra to pre-existing fiction.

That said, it is possible for you to go overboard. A male POV is no more original than a female one, and the protagonist's gender should not affect the interestingness of the story. Last I checked, women comprised half the human race, and that gives you plenty of opportunity for diversity. I mean, if all the people in a single school class aren't absolutely identical...

What makes your story speial?

4 Name: セーラーエリスは刀の女ですか。 : 2010-02-13 08:21 ID:rUUj5LXp

hmm I don't know I read everything from my fandom.
as long as the writer stays true to the character's personality and doesn't turn them into major OOCs then everything is okay with me.
since all the concepts are taken, you have to play with them on your terms give them something special.

for example I recently wrote a "birthday" fic. Even though it was a simple fic about a character's birthday and the present she got from her girlfriend, I put some different things in the story that made it different.

one of my funniest stories had the most uncommon[in fics] subject of PMS...I actually find the subject really funny but there are really few stories about it.

5 Name: Bola : 2010-02-13 09:15 ID:XcoH+QBh

I don't think that it's ideas being 'used up' being the trouble. Readers mostly search for things that are interesting to them, so often the same ideas are used. I guess it's just the magic of bringing up or new ideas or old ideas in a new 'coat'.

6 Name: Nalanna : 2010-02-13 11:24 ID:fqlLZ2tv

Clichés are clichéd for a reason, in my opinion; they make for a good, safe reading, and safe writing material. However, overly clichéd stories are on the rise, but it isn't the story lines that need altering, it is the way they are utilised. Add a twist into the old "hate means love" thing for example. They hate each other, but because they are in love with the others' best friend, and are jealous of the the closeness between the other and their desired, rather than being in love with the person they hate... does that even make sense???

7 Name: eeyop1428 : 2010-02-13 11:52 ID:bPtiU0dU

Cliche phrases and plots are easy to turn to when you have no ideas of your own, at least ones u don't like. If a story is from a female's POV there's bound to be a romantic interest, or a love triangle (trailing on to angst, teen emotions, issues - for girls etc), something like that, which is almost always included in stories from a female's POV. Cause that's what girls think about all the time apparently. The most cliches likely to happen are in romance genres or genres which can include romance in them, like crime, thrillers, adventure and so on. That's why I deter from wrting romance bcause I know I will inevitably fall in the trap of cliche descriptions (e.g. crimson red wine, urgh).

I think the best thing to do is to write simply and don't try to over-decorate text. In the comtemporary world, it's probably best to be more direct than spend too much time on 'flowery' language. That's what Shakespeare would do.

8 Name: Tristana : 2010-02-13 18:20 ID:f2UchR6r

One of my literature teacher once told me: Everything might have been used somewhere. So basically, any author is at risk of repeating what had been said before, just differently.

Indeed, you can add a twist - I guess it all depends on the fanfic.
Cliché are awesome for crackfics - no, really... I'm not the only one writing crack, am I? Oh well...
You can do whatever you want - well, depends if you want to stick to IC or if you feel like going a bit OOC.
Characters are NOT one-layered, so you can always find a way around something that bothers you.

Also, as a writer I can tell you this: if you have an idea and really want to write a story, do it! You can work on the possible cliché afterward.

I mean... take the Belgariad (Eddings): it resemble LOTR but when you read it, you don't feel it because honestly, can you imagine Gandalf as some beer-loving, swearing old wizard?

And even if you don't want to, people are bound to see similarities between two works - because our readings influence us, no matter what we do, in some way.

9 Name: tiger002 : 2010-02-15 16:59 ID:c94tnkPq

We all have to get ideas from somewhere. While I try making my stories unique, most of mine follow a similar storyline. While I use different twists each time, and find different ways of doing it, I can write a summery that would cover nearly all my fics in a single sentense.

10 Name: ImmortalMonkey : 2010-02-23 13:42 ID:Y7+opq8y

You will find most people like to read the same sort of ideas, but would like at different ending or more relistic plot either way most stories will be alike to one another not matter how hard someone will try to get away from Cliche there will always be one or two in the any good plot

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