What makes a good OC? (46)

1 Name: moonphase9 : 2010-01-28 17:42 ID:d0G2MoDO

So personally I'm not big on OC's. I think the worst ones are the ones that are Mary sue-ish, or ones that are meant to be tools to help the story, but end up taking over the whole thing!
Then the worst worst OC is one that was actually a original character, but is twisted into being an OC.

The best OC's (I've used them) I think are the ones that are not too obtrusive and simply adds to the flow and richness of the story. So, for example an OC in an AU fic.
I would like to add that these OCs are hard to write (I know I struggled a bit when I had to use them...)

2 Name: Vic Taylor : 2010-01-28 17:50 ID:lBc/G4F2

Weaknesses are needed, right along with the strengths, obviously. The character needs to be balanced, and it usually doesn't go well if the OC is the best at something (no matter how small) in the story.

I find it's a lot easier to write original characters when I write original fiction, because they're all original, and I can therefore balance out their strengths and weaknesses without it looking silly.

3 Name: Iaculus : 2010-01-28 18:20 ID:UyFbymiI

Same thing that makes most good characters.

In a fanfic, you're basically writing a story where a few details have already been filled in for you.Thus, OCs should be balanced with the rest of the cast in the same way that characters are balanced in original fiction.

Mary Sues and character derailment are not fanfic-exclusive problems - just check out Twilight, for a start. This is one of the reasons I'd advise fanficcers to try their hand at original work first, or at least read widely, just so they know how cast dynamics are supposed to go. Basic tip: a character who serves exclusively to admire and enable another one is unnecessary to a story, or at least unnecessary in any capacity beyond 'living prop'.

4 Name: Seizen : 2010-02-04 21:25 ID:Z2CQsRpB

OCs are, I'm sorry, the real characters in every story. Unless your character is exactly the same as the one he or she is supposed to represent, that character has been turned into an OC using an actual character's name.

Proper argument dictates that in any series, if you wish to use a character we know little about, for example Daphne Greengrass in "Harry Potter", then you've created an OC. Why? Your background is written by yourself, and it doesn't follow the books version. Which is to say, nothing, but the point is it isn't brought up.

Finally, OCs are always used in roleplays. More roleplays end up being based on favourite topics, such as Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon, Naruto, Bleach and so on and so forth. Everyone wants to be a part of it, and so they create an OC and we delete all traces of Red, Blue, Gold, Ruby and the rest of the real main characters and replace them with the OCs.

5 Name: ... : 2010-02-05 01:09 ID:62uYYiyX

That really depends on the RP. If you're playing the sort that're stuffed full of OCs, you should really go and find some other ones.

6 Name: Iaculus : 2010-02-05 09:11 ID:t/lnr/Mw

That rather depends on the seting. There are some fandoms that are more or less welcoming of OCs - with 40K, for instance, you'll actually be looked at askance if you involve canon characters in a major capacity in your fics.

Think that definition of 'OC' might be overkill, Seizen - you have to admit that there's a difference between a canon character as written and interpreted by another author, and someone built from the ground up by that author. After all, what about canon series where several authors or directors are involved with the same cast?

7 Name: ... : 2010-02-05 11:48 ID:62uYYiyX

@Iaculus- I meant that if OCs in RPs annoy one, or seem unnecessary, then one should RP elsewhere. On the board where I RP, we don't use OCs, because the fandom we RP for is character-driven rather than world-driven. I'd have thought that it would be similar for all those Seizen mentioned above (except Pokémon) because they are character-driven, too.

8 Name: Iaculus : 2010-02-05 12:10 ID:t/lnr/Mw

I'm not so sure. Most of the long-running shonen series are set in expansive worlds with dozens or even hundreds of characters. Sounds like OC heaven to me.

After all, if Tite Kubo's solution whenever he gets stuck with the plot is 'introduce more characters', why can't it be the fandom's?

Couldn't say it sounded like Seizen was complaining, either, so much as stating facts, but I could be wrong.

9 Name: ... : 2010-02-05 12:51 ID:62uYYiyX

But that's just it- there are already hundreds of characters to choose from. When people make OCs in RPs for that sort of series, I'm always inclined to wonder why. Half the fun of RP is writing a well-known character in character, with other writers doing the same, so that you can place them in unusual situations and watch events unfold. It involves the other writers more, too- an OC is familiar only to the creator, and, as such, alienates other RPers at first. Also, RPing (especially 1st person RPing) as canon characters can give you a deeper insight into their personalities, and good practice writing them.

I'm not sure why I got that impression from Seizen's post originally; I think it was to do with my being tired and it being early in the morning. Oh well.

10 Name: eeyop1428 : 2010-02-05 15:43 ID:g8UIbK/I

I think to know what makes a good OC, you need to know what doesn't make a good OC. Thus, some of the points made above:
Don't make them Mary-Sue/Larry-Stu
Don't give them perfect looks, with pretty eyes and hair, immaculate nails etc.
Don't give them otherworldly abilities that save everyone in any situation, or help them all the time.
Don't give them apparent good luck, like something they need fortunately comes their way.
Don't make them 100% confident and having a cheeky, rebellious attitude of which they don't get beat up for (because it's annoying).

And so on, can't list them all. But you get the point. The best thing to do is to make OCs believable, with weaknesses as well as strengths, and test them by putting them in dire situations or circumstances in which they would need to use their smarts to get them through. The best characters are those who have a problem/s and try to succeed from it even if they have a disability or disadvantage. All OCs should be like real people. We're not perfect so neither should they be.

11 Name: tiger002 : 2010-02-06 19:50 ID:sdIfRHFe

The best advice I can give is to remember that they are people too, who have lived lives beyond just the story. As the author, it is your responsibility to see beyond the surface, to know what motivates them. You should be able to write a biography about them.

12 Name: ... : 2010-02-06 20:33 ID:62uYYiyX

A biography including all their own annotations saying 'wrong!'.

In fanfic, my OCs are generally flat; they're there to advance the plot or provide humour. I can tell you their profession and basic outlook, but in-depth character-analysis does not happen. For my original fiction characters, however, I could write libraries. For each, I know their every thought, failing and triumph. I have a main cast of three, followed by roughly ten side-characters, followed by the thirty or so minor ones, followed by the ones akin to my fanfic OCs.

If you want to work a character out, spend time with them. Find a point in their timeline that interests you, and then visit it and see what happens. Mindmaps can be fun, but only after you know a character quite well, as people are full of contradictions and you'll start panicking when you realise that your 'pessimistic' character once got upset because they were looking forward to something. Drawing can also be useful.

In short: know 'em better than you know anyone else.

13 Name: eeyop1428 : 2010-02-07 17:12 ID:HOIhr7It

Another advice: Read books dedicated to creating characters for fiction stories. It should have plenty of tips and info to help you on how to make them 'real' in stories.

14 Name: Seizen : 2010-02-07 17:54 ID:Z2CQsRpB

@...: Actually, my point about RPs is that if you are roleplaying, you are most likely wanting to do it in the universe of the subject, not as a main character. Don't get me wrong - in Naruto RPs, I try to roleplay the actual characters, but the ones the audience is less knowledgeable about, such as Akatsuki members, as it allows you to act a bit more freely with them.

But in general, who wants to play an already-established character? They're boring as everyone wants to take the part of that one character everyone loves (Itachi; Ichigo; Goku/ Vegeta) in the topic, and then no-one wants to be a part of the roleplay anymore. Which spoils it for those people who couldn't care less.

About your viewpoint on OCs, I can understand. You have two terms for them: OC for basic comedic relief, and original fiction, for true in-depth characters.

@Iaculus: Yes, admittedly, my viewpoint is slightly extreme, but the problem with OCs is that it is a vague standpoint. A true original character is very hard to come by in terms of fanfiction, but many authors only build upon the barest fringe of the characters they introduce. For example, until the seventh book, neither Dumbledore or Snape were really developed at all, merely being "old-mentor" and "evil teacher" roles, which are fairly well-known and vague.
In "Naruto", Kumo, Kiri and Iwa are made out to be awful places, but we never know why as only the actions are given, never the reasons. Kusagakure is a mere concept village bar the fact they have been established, and many of the elemental nations aren't well developed either.
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My point is, OCs are an excellent way to establish your setting, as you need to use at least one or two minor ones. Yes, characters who are rarely seen are better OCs than the major characters being OCs, but it really doesn't make much difference if you can write.

Besides, unfortunately, if you never use an OC, then your fanfic not only ends up being bland and unoriginal, but your main cast constantly ends up "coincidentally" bumping into one another. Which is fine in comedy, but most fan-fics cannot use that as an excuse.

15 Name: ... : 2010-02-07 18:32 ID:62uYYiyX

I think you've had the unfortunate experience of RPing with some very immature people. On the site where I RP, we generally use established characters, and it works. Sometimes people choose minor characters for the freedom, and sometimes they choose major characters, to get to know them better and provide more fun for the other RPers. OC RPs, on the other hand, tend to come across as though players are writing for themselves rather than others. Put simply, if the RP wouldn't be something that a non-participant would want to read (and wait with bated breath for the next post), it strikes me as rather pointless.

As for my different types of OC, they are classed in the manner in which I classed them.

16 Name: laurakyna : 2010-02-19 14:52 ID:ipwKd2HH

OC's... Try to think about the faults and issues of a normal person. Stick some of those in.

BTY: I am going to write a buffy fanfic. It's going to have a OC as one of the main characters, and she is going to be based on me. because she is me- thats the whole point of the fic- what if it was real? How would I react? etc...

So I'm going to put all my huge faults/ blemishes in- big ego, arrogant, loud, NOT beautiful (I am plain, a little pretty, but not much *_*), not empathic, mean, small sadistic streak, rude, blunt, etc

And before you all go on about Mary-Sue's, and all go hating me, read this: The whole definition of 'mary-sue' is the 'perfect' character, favoured by the author, often based of herself, who falls in love with the favourite character, etc etc...

Not going to happen- have you seen all the faults? She'll probably end of eaten because she bad-mouthed spike once too many, so no romance for her... definitiely not a heroine, but not a villian either...

17 Name: moonphase9 : 2010-02-19 16:39 ID:UyhmjKNY

I totally forgot that I made this thread...

@16 be wary, she could easily turn Mary Sue. MS are always said to be plain, but usually the author ends up caving and making them, if not pretty, at least quirky or different somehow. Also, be careful that she does not start arrogant and loud only to become more annoying and obnoxious because of it.

Nice, unhelpful advice there :)

I would never put myself into a fic. Seems weird to me...

18 Name: RayRay : 2010-02-19 16:44 ID:54LIS/CR

When I was slightly younger and wrote, I used to always write myself into the situations that I wanted to happen, because it was in my nature at that age, I think it is to a certain extent, in everyones nature to wax poetic and make everything perfect.

But as I got older I started to think about things a lot more, and now I can't stand anything that vaguely resembles a Mary-Sue, which is why I'm so iffy about including OC's in my fanfiction, never mind creating my own characters.

At the moment I'm doing the research I need for my original work, and for the 2 main characters, I plan to know them better than I know myself, and to know how they would react in any situation, without needing to think about it. There will be a few background characters, mainly her husband and children, and the one person who she calls a friend, though this person is by no means prominent.

It's going to be full of hate, hurt and backstabbing, so it'll take a lot of research for it to be believable, I know that for sure.

19 Name: Iaculus : 2010-02-19 16:54 ID:hL2bjJtq

20 Name: ... : 2010-02-19 17:05 ID:62uYYiyX

Not... The... Link... Of... Death...

Aargh!

*sucked into the vortex*

Dammit.

21 Name: moonphase9 : 2010-02-19 17:45 ID:UyhmjKNY

o_e

22 Name: dmitri : 2010-03-05 09:35 ID:ymJIUjfA

I've only read one fic where there was a genuinely excellent OC:
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3042418/1/
it's called mistletoe and is a Snape/Harry HP fic. I think the fact that the OC was Snape's aunt and therefore didn't try to get off with any of the main characters was good.
Too often OCs are made too perfect and end up with one of the main characters, which is generally annoying

23 Name: DuxAtrum : 2010-03-05 10:10 ID:V75H1GaY

OCs... hmm. There's a fine line to walk when writing them. On the one hand, you don't want to make them totally bland, or flat: you want them to be vibrant, memorable, just like the canon characters.

On the other hand, it's all-too-easy (at least for amateur writers) to fall into the trap of giving them ZOMG SPESHUL skills or a DAAARK AND EDGY past or whatever. Needless to say, this backfires more often than not.

Although, two OCs that turned out to be good (in fact, one of them's among the best I've ever encountered) would look like Mary Sue fodder if described objectively. One was in the Castlevania fandom, and was the heir to the Vampire Killer. Started out looking as though she might become a Sue and then promptly... didn't, which was satisfying to see.

And the other—admittedly, the author gave her prime Mary Sue traits on purpose as an experiment—hails from a FFVII fic called Sanctuary. The Sue traits are all over the place—sexed up by Sephiroth, captured by ShinRa, falls in with AVALANCHE, has invincible shield of invincibility... and yet, a stunning read and an excellent character.

I find that, when creating OCs, it helps to think, "Okay, WHO the heck is this person?" rather than, "Okay, what personality traits and skills am I going to give my OC?" It's a subtle difference, but the former helps end up with a more... organic character. And it helps set down the whys and wherefores of what makes them tick.

24 Name: RayRay : 2010-03-05 12:13 ID:vS+aKGcA

I was reading today on a forum I'm on, not mentioning names for fear that someone will recognise and pulverise me. But in the section about describing the characters that you write or RP as....


I facepalmed so many times.

I couldn't count the number of times I just had to think... okay.

"Slim but soft in all the right areas, 5'7, 52kgs"

I'm not much smaller or heavier than that and I'm essentially almost underweight, so who bent the rules.

"has the potential to be blindingly beautiful - so most people say" when describing a character that is moody, depressed, and wears distinct numbers of chains, and the colours red and black.

Am I the only one thinking either Anti-Sue, or Mary-Sue. I would give more examples but I don't want to slam a particular person so yeah. It's awful though. People need to learn that perfect is NOT GOOD. In very rare instances yes, 99% of the time. No.

25 Name: Theos the Hedgehog : 2010-03-07 18:43 ID:k3zAvKpC

With regards to the 'being too good', my OC Pyro the Hedgehog has, up un til this moment pulverised Sonic and whipped Shadow like nobody's business. Now I understand why people get annoyed when an OC starts laying the smackdown on the canon characters. However, surely the phrase 'the bigger they are...' should come into play if the OC is the villain? Thats my plan anyway. Pyro gets stronger and stronger, meaning Sonic and Shadow have to get stronger and stronger, leading to a ball-breaker of a final battle!!

26 Name: Beau : 2010-03-15 15:42 ID:so06sRGK

I wrote a goddamn essay on this.

http://psychedelicspit.livejournal.com/15136.html#cutid1

Or, rather, character archetypes in general. If you're interested (which you probably aren't)... I mock and swear a hell of a lot. Beware.

27 Name: Iaculus : 2010-03-16 14:16 ID:PlgNhf4W

>>25 You do have to make sure that you can maintain a meaningful level of conflict, though. Let your villain experience setbacks, and let your heroes gain ground that is not immediately snatched away from them. Him getting his backside handed to him in the finale is only interesting if it occurs in a believable manner not requiring a deus ex machina, and if the story has remained engaging up until that point.

Basically, don't create another Naraku or Aizen.

28 Name: Majin : 2010-03-16 16:05 ID:M9KpWJSu

I believe that what makes a 'good OC' depends on the situation.

A seemingly perfect friend to help the protagonist defeat the villain and could probably do it him or herself? No thanks. A seemingly perfect villain for the hero to slowly grow and try to eventually overcome? Maybe, as long as it's not a fic centred around them and the villain has an understandable reason for not just killing the hero straight away. A villain with faults is better, but it can be got away with.

With a few exceptions, a good OC is a secondary character and not somehow amazing. They're not the single existing male succubus (not incubus) who is the key to immortality for the villain and gets paired up with the main character or their friend. Maybe they have a special talent which is useful, but nothing outrageously amazing. Of course the amount of Harry/Ginny/Hermione/Ron = Founders Heirs + Magical animagus + elf ancestors + secretly a god show this isn't just a problem in OCs.

29 Name: moonphase : 2010-03-17 11:31 ID:SON3tuAY

>>25
I'd be kinda annoyed if some random character began to inexplicably beat the shit out of my favourite characters...

30 Name: Iaculus : 2010-03-17 12:36 ID:PlgNhf4W

>>29 Well, a story requires antagonists, no?

Part of fanfic is deviating from the original in certain ways, and that often means new enemies. It's just that there are good and bad ways to handle that.

It's true that no OC should completely overshadow the canon characters, but that means something slightly different for villains.

An OC villain should be, at the very least, fightable, something the protagonists can at least stand the slimmest chance against, unless you're using them more as a force of nature than a character. Put simply, the tougher the villain, the less focus should be placed on them and their exploits. Stories, as I have said many times before, are all about conflict, and the story of some invincible evil badass owning all and sundry is generally far less interesting than the story of the heroes struggling desperately to survive and do some good against impossible odds.

31 Name: moonphase : 2010-03-17 12:55 ID:SON3tuAY

True, true... but the '...my OC Pyro the Hedgehog has, up un til this moment pulverised Sonic and whipped Shadow like nobody's business...' makes me fear that it is, as you say, an OC who just comes on scene and 'pwns' everyone, which can be as annoying as the ever good Mary Sue.

Mind you, >>25 suggests that maybe the main characters will get stronger as a result:
>"Pyro gets stronger and stronger, meaning Sonic and Shadow have to get stronger and stronger, leading to a ball-breaker of a final battle!!" Sounds likes Dragon Ball Z and the endless saga's.

32 Name: moonphase : 2010-03-17 12:56 ID:SON3tuAY

Though I don't read about sonic, so I don't know how it works...

33 Name: ani : 2010-03-23 20:01 ID:y5M5nXZ2

@16 that is the definition of Mary Sue/Gary Stu. you wrote yourself into the canon world. it's one of the reasons most people hate OC's; no matter what characteristic/personality/past you give them as the story progresses they end up becoming the author. i got so many gripes when i started fanficcing 12 years ago that i was writing OC's just so "i could have sex with my fav chara". looking at those fics now i'd say they're right.

the worse things about OC's is when they don't fit into the world it's set in. it's bad enough when all you get is a name and physical description, but when you get ninjas in a vampire world it just doesn't work. i've seen too many that claim they're OC's when the fic's basically a crossover.

and don't forget to keep the connection between the OC and main/canon cast believable. newest villian/antihero is about the farthest any new chara should go. making them the only one who can defeat the canon villian is exactly what >>10, >>17 and >>24 are talking about.

34 Name: RayRay : 2010-03-23 21:31 ID:gD8/mZG/

I'm developing an OC as an antagonist, but the main twist in what I'm writing is that you don't know it's him doing it until the breaking point of the story... so it's an OC that features quite a lot, but you don't actually know that it's him... if that makes any sense at all.

He's named, but not as an important person, but he's more important than I'm letting on initially.

Pure evil though, so yeah, won't be stealing the show.

35 Name: fruitymarshmellow81 : 2010-03-24 14:20 ID:XI6wWywd

A good OC would be not entirely random. Someone that fits into the story perfectly, for example:-
If your story is about hurt and anger and slight romance, your not going to put some emo freak in there to marry someone off. You might wnat to put an understnding shy girl.
A good OC is a one that has been described properly. Someone that doesn't have all description in one paragraph but all spread out.
A good OC is there through the beginning and doesn't join halfway through the tense breaker.
Thats my thoughts anyway :)

36 Name: Gandalf the Grey : 2010-07-31 12:31 ID:SZRVvLZT

There are no good OCs.

37 Name: Anonymous : 2010-07-31 13:03 ID:Nt64bxQG

@36- I take it you don't read anything fictional, watch anything fictional, play any games or otherwise experience fiction. I also take it you believe that Gandalf was a real person, and not one of Tolkien's OCs.

FAIL.

38 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-07-31 15:34 ID:6cN6z3aw

>>16 -

Sorry, but the definition of a Mary Sue, is not 'perfect character'. As someone else commented, that comes about because most of the Mary Sue characters one were the 'perfect'. However, because some writers have assumed that this is the true definition, and don't want to make a Mary Sue, they decided to make an 'imprefect character'. However, this is still concidered a Mary Sue, called the Anti Sue.

Wikipedia says this currently. "A Mary Sue (sometimes just Sue), in fanfiction, is a fictional character with overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as a wish-fulfillment fantasy for the author or reader."

You say that the character is likely to have something bad happen to them because of their flaws. However, the thing is, you don't know for sure, which kind of indicates, you don't know the plotline for your story yet, and whether or not the OC is even needed. Also, 'NOT beautiful' doesn't count as a fatal flaw.

One of the things that keys people off, that she might turn into a Sue, despite your intentions, is the fact that you say she's yourself, inserted in. Author avatars are fine, but you need to remember, she is not really you. She also needs to fit into the world, and have a point.

>>25 - There is such thing as a Villian Sue. Make sure their is a point to them being there. Because the main villans are previously created, a villian character that takes up one storyline, or comes back after awhile is one thing. But if he is the main villian, something is wrong. As moonhase mentioned, it does sound like Dragon Ball Z.

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Anyways, someone mentioned what I call 'tag-a-long characters'. Basically, the 'seemingly perfect friend'. I've seen to many fanfics, which create a character, and toss them in to help the plot that is going on. I think... what is the point of the OC existing? They don't change anything, and the characters obviously don't need their help. If you create an OC, there should be a good purpose for them to exist within the plot.

I don't like OC's that don't fit into the world, but I don't have much to say about that.

I suggest not letting an OC usurp canon roles. Some fanfics can be focused on an individual OC, but for the most part, stick to canon characters.

39 Name: Bitch Goddess : 2010-08-02 17:19 ID:+qD4JVui

Actually, I use OC's in almost all of my stories. As most of my stories are romance the OC's pop into my head and I attach them to unattached canon characters - I hate breaking up canon couples.

It has taken me alot of years, alot of flames, and alot of practice, but I've finally reached a point where not only I but also my readers like my OC characters. For the first few years that I wrote fanfiction my OC's were complete Mary-Sue's, and downright insufferable. I've picked up a few pointers from reading other people's OC stories that people like, taking advice from my readers and from writers more advanced than myself, and even reading books, articles, etc. from published authors about building characters.

I think that an OC is perfectly fine if you can seemlessly fit them into the story and with the canon characters and you keep them real. The biggest problem I see with OC's is that they seem unrealistic: they're to beautiful, to funny, to good at everything. My favorite OC of mine is a girl -Charlotte Hart- I created for my Covenant fanfiction. She is pretty, but not THE prettiest (as even my male main character - her love interest - mentions); she has powers, but they don't solve all her problems and she can't do ANYTHING she wants just because she has powers, she has limitations; she is a good swimmer, but has never won any metals, only participations ribbons; her and Pogue (the canon character she is paired with) have an instant attraction to one another, but at first it is purely physical and it takes them quite a while to actually get to get together, they also have their share of problems that causes series problems in the relationship.
I tried to make her as real as I could, to be honest I wish she really did exist because she would be an awesome friend.

>>38 I agree that you should only creat OC's if they serve a true purpose to the story. If you can tell the story without them, you're better off doing that.

However, if you are going to put in OC's make sure they are completely developed characters with likes, dislikes, goals, etc. like the canon characters, otherwise they become Mary-Sue's for their lack of believability.

40 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-02 18:29 ID:6cN6z3aw

>>39 - Agreed on the last part.

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One way, to learn not to write a Mary Sue, is to read Mary Sues, and pick apart what makes the character a Mary Sue. The one good thing Twilight is good for, is to teach people what not to do. Someone I know in real life and on fanfiction.net, actually went from writing a Gary Stu character, to stuff he fills more accomplished for, after I gave him a bunch of articles about why Twilight is bad. He still likes it, but now he understands things a little more.

41 Name: Alteris : 2010-08-07 15:15 ID:zGbOw2q2

honestly, after my first two fanfics I'm trying to stay away from using many OCs. I ruined my muse because I choked the stories with OCs that may or may not have been overpowered. because of my first forays into fanfiction, I try to make sure that they have diverse personalities, they have clearly defined strengths and weaknesses (especially psychological ones. it's fun to play around with phobias and dark pasts), and that if their heroic they support and enhance the main cast or if their villains they act as a foil to the original cast.

possibly the single best OC I've ever seen was Jin Ishiyama in the fanfic Code Lyoko: A Retelling. he was Yumi's twin brother, but he had a really well defined personality, a strength that was also a weakness, he melded seamlessly into the series, and he came with his own emotional baggage that the author hasn't really (and probably won't since he hasn't updated in forever) delved into in depth yet. he makes all his OCs, and even a few of the original characters, seem more human. if you want to see several good examples of well made OCs, I'd suggest looking at that story.

42 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-07 20:54 ID:6cN6z3aw

>>41 - Lol! Reminds me of the all the times when I see a new writer, trying their hand at something, and I forwarn them, too many OC's isn't a good thing. At least not until you get a better hand on things. So, I really do suggest, once you get a feel for things, to try a more plot more diverce with OCs, and see how you've imporved.

I I knew the fandom, I would take a look at it. :)

43 Name: XxObsessivexX : 2010-08-08 18:37 ID:K56XYWYp

I have a slight peeve to Mary-Sue OCs. Most fics ive read that were a mary-sue were put in THEIR own name and were like the ultra perfect specimen that all the original characters had no choice but MUST be attracted to such a character. They would either have this extra secret superpower that none other can compare or be above and beyond in intelligence, personality, and physical activity. and then there are other OCs that just cram their way into a characters life as a long lost sister. I sound like a total b*tch right now, but these things sort of piss me off. If someone is going to make an OC or even a Mary-Sue, at least try to make it believable and physically possible. No one in this world can be a perfect little angel.

The best OCs, to me, are the ones that are imperfect. Those that hold flaws but can still be liked (or still disliked) The ones that help support the main characters but dont make a major affect to the story, like a friend of the character. Plus, if people want to make an OC, please try to make their names fit the fiction. I would read a Naruto fiction and there are OCs with names like Anne and Bob and Paul. If everyone elses names are Japanese or Spanish, or whatever, do not hesitate to look onto google and search Japanese names. i would also see a characters name called: Tikany Ookamiy. Im sorry, WHAT? man im being such an annoying troll right now.

44 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-08 20:17 ID:6cN6z3aw

>>43 -

Believe it or not, I have an OC that is the same as my user name. She was created to annoy an older cousin, and make his life a pain, as well as his friends. She has some Mary Sue traits, but I can get away with the ones she does have, because of what species she is. I use her also for poking fun of Mary Sues... one of her schoolmates writes fanfiction for the fandom she's from, and monopalizes her cousin in them, which puts her on the defensive... and gets her to do some pretty dumb things.

I am reading The Eliza Trilogy right now too, which has a sue who went by the authors name. I'm reading it as a classic Sue, which truth be told is fun sometimes.

As for the name thing... you aren't pushing it on that name. The name should be Ticani Ookami, if they want to get closer to looking authentic.

45 Name: XxObsessivexX : 2010-08-09 09:26 ID:K56XYWYp

>>44
i know! but its really how its spelled.

See?
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5704501/1/The_bWolf_b_bGirl_b_bcall_b_Tikany_Ookamiy

but i mean it, thats a good way to spell it.

46 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-08-09 20:33 ID:6cN6z3aw

>>45 - I didn't not believe you. I mean 'you' as in the fanfic writers who do that. I don't normally leave reviews for fandoms that I don't know well, but that fanfic was hot-off-the-press. She won't grow, unless someone tells her the truth, and she needs to hear it.

And before you ask, why I didn't PM her my critique, I'll awnser with the fact, the review system is not for 'strictly praise'. It's one thing, if an author requests that I send most of my critique via PM, and only leave some via review, but I refuse to leave no negative review at all.

That being said, be careful posting links to fanfics. We've already had a thread, which turned into a talk against the author for a bit, and someone pointed out, it would have been better to go and review the fanfic, and let them know how they can improve, rather then talking behind their back. They never did though, from what I can see.

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