Any Published Authors From NaNoWriMo? (39)

1 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-27 15:39 ID:EUh1Tb/N

i guess the title says it all.

where did you publish it? anything you want to say about it?

i published through Smashwords.com for an eBook and Wordclay.com for it to be published in print.

Smashwords- http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/7740

Wordclay- http://www.wordclay.com/BookStore/BookStoreBookDetails.aspx?bookid=55767

talk about yours!! ^_^

2 Name: ... : 2009-12-29 22:24 ID:jfi8yqL0

You are kidding me.

Would you like me to dissect that blurb and excerpt line by line, or shall we just say that ignorance is bliss?

3 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-29 23:05 ID:EUh1Tb/N

first of all i am still working on things and fixing what needs to be fixed.
secondly... i don't see you out with anything published so when you do you can then criticize and dissect my work.

4 Name: ... : 2009-12-29 23:32 ID:jfi8yqL0

Why are you publishing it if it's not ready for critique? At the moment, that thing needs a beta or a match. You may not like it, but the reading public will judge your work, whether or not they are published authors themselves. They are not going to spend $13 on a book for which the summary uses the dreaded: "'hello.' He said." or subordinate clauses that have been left to stand alone as full sentences, or tense errors. Please. This is basic grammar. Small animals are crying.

5 Name: Iaculus : 2009-12-30 05:52 ID:GRI9j2GJ

A possible grammatically-corrected version of the summary (plus a couple of stylistic flourishes of my own), if it helps:

"Cathryn and Thomas grew up not knowing anything about themselves or where they came from. They had questions that never seemed to have any answers. They were separated as young children, taken to two ends of the world until a class trip unknowingly brought them together, and they are suddenly thrown into a magical world known as Ryather. As they try to find their way back to where they call home, they discover new friends, new enemies, and finally the answers to their never-ending questions. Realising what they must do now, they gather their friends and family to save their world from the terrible evil of Amanita. It all comes down to who has more power and knowledge. Will the twins be able to save Ryather, or will Amanita destroy everything?"

Even then, this is perhaps overly-descriptive. Don't want to tell the readers the entire plot before they read it, after all.

From the text itself, it is immediately apparent that you have a problem with speech and capitalisation (the 'he said, she said' issue). Might want a look at that. Extra commas are good, too. Where, in your opinion, would an invisible narrator stop to breathe during your sentence? That's where you should put a comma.

For all Ellipsis's bluntness, he/she/it has a point. It's a good idea to immerse yourself in the basics of grammar before you try something as ambitious as a novel; it is the foundation on which your stories are built.

You said you were fixing it - I hope this helps.

6 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-30 11:27 ID:EUh1Tb/N

i am not having it published in print as of yet. i have taken it off to do more work on the print.

i do not mind criticism but i do mind how it is given. i have work very hard making this book, spent year figuring out how i want it to go and it really bothers me when right off the bat the first person to say any thing says, "are you kidding me?". i am still working on some things that got mixed up while uploading it.

Thank you for helping.

7 Name: ... : 2009-12-30 11:50 ID:jfi8yqL0

Well, in your first post, you say that you are getting it published in print, so you can see how confusion might arise.

You're right; I'm not polite with my criticism. On this bbs, I say what I think. That's what I thought, and I stand by it. I daresay other people who clicked on it had a similar reaction, but they were too polite to say anything. Well. This is the internet. If we can't be honest on the internet, where can we be honest?

To you, I'm some random stranger saying mean things. You may hate me now, but it's better this than someone you know and love (and whose opinion you actually care about) struggling not to laugh. I could be a lot harsher than I am at present.

If you hadn't posted a link, I wouldn't be able to say anything right now. You did, however, and I have to question your motives for doing so. If you didn't want people to see it, you wouldn't have posted a link. So either:

A) you were hoping that people would be amazed and say lovely things

Or

B) you were hoping to advertise, and...

8 Name: ... : 2009-12-30 12:03 ID:jfi8yqL0

... possibly even sell a few copies.

The first is hypocritical- either you're ready to meet the good and the bad head-on, or not at all. And I'm here to tell you why you're not ready to do the second.

I don't expect people here to like me. I'm not here to give false praise, or dress up my opinions in emoticons and sweet-talk. If you want to take me to task, take me to task; I'll argue my case and you can argue yours. Perhaps I should say this here and now, for the benefit of everyone on this bbs: if you post something, implicitly or explicitly requesting feedback, I will give it to you. If you think I'm talking a load of crap, it's your right to ignore me, but I was under the impression that we are all supposedly writers, trying to improve. I'll give you a completely objective opinion, and, more often than not, annoy you. If you don't want one, don't post links to your writing.

Maybe I should make a thread for this...

9 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-30 12:27 ID:EUh1Tb/N

and as i said before i like having my work criticized but not when people put it completely down. i do not respond to that. all it's going to do is get me mad. you can speak your mind but don't be completely rude. that's what bothered me. the way Iaculus went about it made me want to look at it and fix it. when people go at it the way you did it only makes then not want to do anything.

i was excited to have my very first book published after years of hard work to make it and endless night of staying up trying to get it perfect, but when i get answers like that it makes me want think that maybe i shouldn't write because i obviously can't do it. you see my point? there are times to speak your mind and others where you may have to dull it down a bit.

10 Name: cally777 : 2009-12-30 12:29 ID:zkg+5fbF

Well I don't really want to add to the negativity here! I think if you've had an idea of publishing your work and getting paid for it, you should at least be commended for being enterprising, as well as having some cojones.

Getting paid for your work isn't the ultimate test of quality. (I can bring to mind several famous, well-paid but not particularly skilled writers - and would probably receive hoards of hate mail if I mentioned names). However it is SOME sort of achievement, and one that ff writers only published on the net, like myself, may at times envy. People being prepared to part with cold hard cash for your work is surely a sign you've got something right.

That said, the above criticisms of your work do have some validity. I don't think your summary is quite as bad as the above conveniently anonymous poster thinks, but it could be more polished. Also viewing the extracted passage does make me think that you need to continue working on your writing skills. You need to be able to walk before you can run! A site like ff.net could allow you to do this.

11 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-30 12:37 ID:EUh1Tb/N

some things were messed up as i uploaded them. thank you for your advice. and as i said up above, the print is no longer out.

i did as if anyone else had a story published and asked for nothing on mine. i was only curious as to if anyone else had taken another step and suddenly this turned into talking about mine. this was intend as one to see who if any published, not to go and bash mine. but thank you for all of the advice.

12 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-30 12:37 ID:EUh1Tb/N

some things were messed up as i uploaded them. thank you for your advice. and as i said up above, the print is no longer out.

i did ask if anyone else had a story published and asked for nothing on mine. i was only curious as to if anyone else had taken another step and suddenly this turned into talking about mine. this was intend as one to see who if any published, not to go and bash mine. but thank you for all of the advice.

13 Name: ... : 2009-12-30 13:07 ID:jfi8yqL0

? I'll reiterate: you linked to your work. THEREFORE you wanted people to click on the link. THEREFORE you wanted people to read what you had linked to.

And then what?

Would you have preferred it if I had raised my eyebrows and kept it to myself? Personally, I think that's nastier than being upfront about things, but if you really didn't want an opinion, you should have said something.

@ Cally17: It does not take cojones to go to an online firm and pay them to publish your writing. It's known as vanity publishing (and before I get a bucket-load of outraged insults- that is the technical term) and if you vanity published a work offline, you would never make a return on your investment and you would never see your book in the shops. It takes more courage to send your work to an agent or publisher, have it read over by an editor and deal with whatever feedback you receive.

When I am satisfied with my Nano, I may send off for the free proof copy, but if I try and publish it, I'll take a respected route.

14 Name: ... : 2009-12-30 13:11 ID:jfi8yqL0

Oh, sorry, Cally777, my mistake.

15 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-30 13:15 ID:EUh1Tb/N

i put it up because i was excited! there is a difference between constructive criticize and just being completely rude and ignorant about it! okay so maybe you're not ready for you story to be published but i felt i was. i posted the links because i wanted to show everyone that i really did publish a book.... I WAS PROUD! don't just assume things or you'll wind up looking like the ass in the end.

16 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-30 13:17 ID:EUh1Tb/N

i don't pay to get it all published, all i wanted was to have my book published and to say i accomplished something. i'm looking to have it as my job i just want to share the story that had taken years to right.

17 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-30 13:19 ID:EUh1Tb/N

Oh and just to let you know.... my books are in the mail to the publishers! sent them out a few days ago. don't assume.

18 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-30 13:27 ID:EUh1Tb/N

>>16 ****** i'm NOT looking to have it as my job i just wanted to have something i accomplished be shared and have others proud that i went all the way.

19 Name: ... : 2009-12-30 13:37 ID:jfi8yqL0

I was replying to Cally's point. It was a general discussion that had nothing to do with your personal choice. I'll be honest (>is shot<), I couldn't care less how you personally are going about getting published. And no, that is not intended as an insult; it is intended as a statement of fact. I think you are taking this whole thing too seriously.

You say you wanted to share your work. Exactly. Did you want people to read and have absolutely no opinion? I shall bite my tongue, here, as I have an urge to use a simile that, while amusing, will no-doubt send you into paroxysms of rage.

This is exactly what I hate about the writing world- people who parade their work and then get seriously offended when someone is impolite. It will happen. You need a thick skin. If I offend you, so what? I'm a random stranger on the internet.

This has been bothering me for some time now, on several threads. My sharp words are aimed at everyone: if you don't want it reviewed, don't put it out for everyone to read. Okay?

20 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-30 13:44 ID:EUh1Tb/N

well if many people are getting upset at your sharp words, maybe you should constrain yourself a little bit. anyway... i am not taking this seriously, as i have said in another thread... i do not mind being criticized what i do mind is when i get the ones that are totally un-called for. thank you for your criticism,but i merely have this thread for published authors to share they're work not to have talks about how good or bad mine is.

21 Name: ... : 2009-12-30 13:57 ID:jfi8yqL0

Whether you admit it or not, it was a motive (albeit, perhaps, an ulterior one). I find it most suspicious that you should seek to create a thread that went:

'Person 1: my book
Person 2: my book
Person 3: my book
Person 4: my book'
Etcetera ad infinatum, with no comments in between. What you are implying is the equivalent of a bookshelf. People don't create threads to make bookshelves; they create them to discuss.

22 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-30 14:12 ID:EUh1Tb/N

whether you admit it or not, it could actually be authors talking about where they published, how hard or easy it was and things like that. it doesn't have to be one of two ways.

23 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-30 14:17 ID:EUh1Tb/N

>>5
thank you very much. it did.

24 Name: ... : 2009-12-30 14:32 ID:jfi8yqL0

I don't think the word 'admit' quite fits in that context (imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery, but you are implying that I am ignorant and narrow-minded, whilst I was implying that your ego had come into play with the birth of this thread, and that your argument was flawed- they're very different points!) but that's beside the point. Again, I insist that this thread was not intended to be solely comprised of speeches, with no exchanges. I can't prove that any more than I can fly, but it's based on a sound mix of psychology and common sense.

25 Name: Iaculus : 2009-12-30 14:36 ID:GRI9j2GJ

No big. Given the size of the 'net, there should be plenty of stuff on there about the minutiae of English grammar. A bit of research would help, I think.

The way I do it is to sort of read it out in my head as I type - I don't know whether it works for everyone, but for me, it really helps me get a feel for the flow of the sentence. Oh, and beta it as much as possible. This really cannot be overstated. Appreciative parents, linguistically-ept friends, the tramp off the street with the Oxbridge-grade vocabulary... if you can grab 'em, do so. One of my genius friends from school (always useful people to keep in touch with) is writing an e-novel with a remarkably similar premise to yours (Rings and Roses, by Alexandra Riley, in case you're wondering), and she's been beta-ing the Doorstop whilst I have a go at hers.

To add the final cliche to the pile, practice makes perfect. This may be your big project, but having a few little ones around the side will really help you grow as a writer. Especially since shorter stories are easier to review, so you're likely to get a bit more feedback.

Good hunting!

26 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-30 14:37 ID:EUh1Tb/N

you can think what you want. all i want is for other authors to feel proud of what they have accomplished and to tell about it. that is all. you can come back with more and more but will always be the reason this was created and that is all i wanted.

27 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-30 14:38 ID:EUh1Tb/N

>>25 thanks for the tips!

28 Name: ... : 2009-12-30 14:49 ID:jfi8yqL0

Here lies '...', a robotic amorphous blob that tried.

R.I.P. My friend. R.I.P.

29 Name: mentalguru : 2009-12-30 17:42 ID:TcGyOP5f

I'm more or less of the school of the idea that politeness goes a long way- I know I make mistakes in my work, so I desire critique. But needlessly being sharp etc. is not the way to go.

I improve with critique, and I actually started writing fanfiction to improve myself in terms of writing, when I dsicovered essay writing was difficult (even though I was a science degree graduate, the critique I recieved helped me greatly, more so than years of schooling actually did in the subject).

I think sometimes that perhaps I would have got more into it if we'd had this in SCHOOL too- critique from peers as well as the teacher. It could have helped immensley in terms of my English grades which even as a (mostly) A plus some Bs student, I had to bust my ass over to get a B compared to other subjects. Only foreign languages gave me even more trouble than English.

So yeah, critique away- just be... you know... GENTLE. It can be difficult yes I suposse if you see people making the same mistakes over again- even if it IS technically by different people. I got like this in Evolution debates with people continually sqwacking about how it was 'only a theory!' without ever looking up what a scientific theory was, so the NEXT poor little munchkin who said it was more likely to be chewed out than the last. Because my politeness and patience ran dry. Perhaps fanfic critique can be similar sometimes- you can lose patience when you continually see the cliche set up of a story or the same mistakes people tend to make, but we must remember that people may not KNOW just because it is immediately second nature to yourself. This mistake is brand new to them.

30 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-30 17:47 ID:EUh1Tb/N

>>29
well said.

31 Name: ... : 2009-12-30 18:26 ID:jfi8yqL0

Oh, I can be polite when I want; I just can't be bothered on this board. If people take the things I say too personally and curse my name (or lack thereof) stuff it. Life's short. I'm a Higgins, not a Pickering. Deal.

32 Name: Iaculus : 2009-12-31 12:51 ID:GRI9j2GJ

One other thing - what sort of magic does your world have? Is it commonplace? If so, can it be put to practical use? How does it affect the societies involved? It's something a lot of fantasy authors forget, see, going for some tired old duplicate of medieval Europe without considering how magic might shape things up.

An example I like to use is the matter of magical runes. Suppose that you have a reliable method of binding a minor spell to an object for a significant amount of time (even permanently). The usual use of this is the good ol' flaming sword, but consider the other possibilities. Light-emitting runes on the furniture and other objects mean free, bright lighting for the rest of your life. Pills engraved with healing spells would revolutionise medicine. If you put the right runes on a primitive steam engine, you've suddenly got a medieval nuclear reactor. The list goes on.

Magic is a very important part of any story that uses it - you have to have a clear idea of its abilities and limitations, and take a good look at how those abilities and limitations can be exploited.

33 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-31 13:08 ID:uvQy/D1U

the way i have it set up is the very low commoners have no magic they can have it and become powerful, but it's not something that is readily available in the streets. the magic users range from simple like lighting a candle all the way up to being able to destroy the world.
as for objects and such... i use old ruins and pillars and such as gateways, spells are written on them and they can transfer people places, hide things, make things look completely different. i tried to keep everything simple, like a wagon instead of a magic powered one and stuff like that. i really only wanted the people to have the magic but they still incorporate it into the world around them.
they move things, light things, can control wind, fire, earth and all the things like that to a point. like i said i wanted to keep it simple yet complicated.... if that all makes sense

34 Name: Iaculus : 2009-12-31 14:24 ID:GRI9j2GJ

Check. Just don't forget how even the most basic stuff can be useful in your everyday life. Earth manipulation, for instance, would be a great boon to masons, engineers, and the like. Instant drainage ditches are only the tip of the iceberg.

What can they do with wind? Past a certain level of skill, that's an extremely powerful talent. It can help you with heavy loads, allow limited flight, or even control the weather. Perfectly stable weather patterns would be a great boon to a nation's agriculture... and amongst the most tempting things for a bad guy who isn't afraid of a little collateral to screw with.

Even fire control offers a few more options than 'light candles and throw fireballs'. A blacksmith, for instance, would have a welding torch literally at his very fingertips, and then there's all the fun industrial stuff like blast furnaces and so on. In a military sense, the ability to set things on fire in a controlled, small-scale manner might help negate many of the teething problems we had with primitive firearms (which were introduced a lot earlier than most writers think). Not only that, but since the society in question would probably be much better at working with metal, you'd be less likely to get burst barrels and the like.

It's amazing hw even the little things can change so much, no?

35 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-31 15:11 ID:uvQy/D1U

>>34
thanks.... yup yup. its amazing how even minute things effect everything.

36 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-31 15:13 ID:uvQy/D1U

this book i just touch the serface of what i've created.... the next book goes more into detail about everything.

37 Name: ... : 2009-12-31 15:56 ID:jfi8yqL0

EFP, then.

In the (paraphrased) words of Terry Pratchett, pigs may fly, but be sure to take into account the depredations on the local bird population.

38 Name: Iaculus : 2009-12-31 18:21 ID:GRI9j2GJ

Oh, and if most citizens can throw fireballs, that likely means close-range combat (sword-fights and the like) is a whole lot riskier and less common. Combat probably has more to do with speed, agility, and the ability not to get flame-grilled. Not quite the same as modern warfare, since disarming doesn't work, and thrown weapons are much shorter-ranged and less accurate than proper firearms, but very, very different from your regular medieval stuff.

Other forms of magic would also come into play, with wind and earth being used to distract, slow down, and otherwise hinder your foe so you can get a good shot in with Mr. Flamey. That would be the traditional form of combat, usable by absolutely anyone since magic first became available. Trained soldiers would likely be equipped with fireproofed armour (not much metal - touch a seat-belt clip on a hot day and you'll see why) and weapons that can kill from a nice long way away, like guns and the various sorts of bow - mostly guns, though, due to the wonders of sorcerous metallurgy eliminating most of their early flaws.

Now, I'm not saying that knives and the like wouldn't be useful - always nice to have a close-quarters weapon that doesn't glow white-hot if you don't want it to - but they'd likely be reserved almost exclusively for assassins and the like. People who aren't worried about stealth can just pound your head in with their own superheated fists.

Even if this isn't a very action-centric story, a fight or two is almost inevitable somewhere along the line. For that reason, it's wise to put some thought into them - not least because what works there can work in lots of other situations as well.

39 Name: inulover90 : 2009-12-31 18:37 ID:EUh1Tb/N

>>38
thanks!

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