Grown up Issues in Kid fiction (18)

1 Name: DragonFriend95 : 2009-12-18 12:30 ID:w3U/TFRU

This really bugs me, when people put in issues such as sex, racism and torture into fiction such as Pokemon or Power Rangers, I find it just ridiculous. I mean, once I saw a fic for Super Smash that has Ike rape Pit. Completely ridiculous.

And not just that, once when I was reading a Heat magazine (only for the puzzles at the end, mind you) there was a whole article dedicated to the argument that Tinky Winky was gay. That programme is designed for PRE SCHOOLERS, I don't think they'll be wondering about why Tinky carries around a handbag!

Another time someone complained about PR. This was what they said: 'So the black guy can drive the Megaship but the Asian guy can't? What's the Hispanic Ranger doing, robbing the license plates out back?' How stupid is that?!

Does anyone agree with this???

2 Name: eeyop1428 : 2009-12-18 13:13 ID:5rT/PgFH

Obviously writing about such things in kids' fiction is very inappropriate for any child of the intended audience to read about. There's a good chance I think that 10 year olds could very well go on ff.net to read stories on their favourite shows and then they get disturbed by reading on Poke-rape or something. Sure, it's fiction and everyone can be creative in their writing but it's on a site that can't block certain adult themed stories from young children. Writers of those stories should be aware of that and think about what kinds of things they're posting; at least post on a site that's private to everyone except friends/intended mature audience.

Are there really rape/torture fics for Pokemon?? That's not cool.

3 Name: Iaculus : 2009-12-18 13:34 ID:6d7b6nID

Fanfiction has age ratings, you know. If you don't like that sort of thing, stick to K-rated stuff. It exists, believe it or not.

As for me, I see writing as a challenge. Any concept has the potential to be good - it's just harder to get a good story out of some things than others. To successfully explore dark, adult themes via the medium of Teletubbies would be exceptionally difficult, but I tip my fedora to anyone who manages to pull it off.

4 Name: GG91 : 2009-12-18 13:43 ID:TJBgDkbd

While they can't block it-they give fair warning. Ratings, authors often leave notes about what content to expect, and when the kid starts to read nasty stuff then couldn't they theoretically just shut the window. True, a child might not possess the common sense to do that, but that doesn't mean people should stop writing what they write.

Even when I was little I used to imagine what would happen to my favorite characters when they were older, when they would be aging with me. I was thinking about them growing up from around the age of seven-I was not thinking of vile senarios at this stage- I, however, was and still am fully aware of the fact that if there weren't some more mature issues when the characters from kid shows were aged then that was not realisitic.

Even if it is a show for children-some authors will want to write the characters they love and put them in new situations. Don't judge people for wanting to keep the characters close to them and relatable.

And while I agree rape is not cool, or funny, and nor is incest, peadophilia and extreme gore/violence. Those things do get moderated (MA rating is there for a reason) and some are removed.

Oh and the whole argument about Tinky Winky is nul and void. Not because it is a show for babies but because Tinky Winky is a cuddly looking blue alien thing with an ANTENNA on his head, and may I point out-HE HAS NO GENITALS! I suppose this does not destroy the fact that he may have some lingering sexual attraction for Dipsy but I am not one to judge.

5 Name: elecktrum : 2009-12-18 18:11 ID:3cbLpQkP

I think what goes into a fic depends largely on what a person gets out of the fandom, and what they get out depends on age, education and experience. Take Pokemon, for example. Kids will watch it and see cute animals and their devoted trainers battling for prizes and going on adventures. Adults might watch and see just that, or they might see animals enslaved and forced into the arena for gladiatorial-type combat at the command of their owners/trainers/breeders. Both views are valid and both would, if handled well, make for good stories. Should the latter view be rated for young children? Probably not. Does it have a place within the realms of fanfic? Most definitely!

6 Name: ... : 2009-12-18 18:21 ID:ZkUWNmVD

So 'being gay' is an adult theme, is it? Hrm. I suppose we should remove all 'parents' from children's media, lest they introduce the adult concept of 'being straight'.

7 Name: Cat : 2009-12-19 06:59 ID:BnuhqnLK

To be honest, its really up to the parents of the kids to ensure they don't read stuff beyond their age-range. I think all the media hype of 'Tinky-Winky is gay' is ridiculous. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't but has anyone thought that we're protecting kids too much? They don't live on the moon! And all this stuff with 'baa baa rainbow sheep'? Come on!

8 Name: ... : 2009-12-19 07:04 ID:ZkUWNmVD

'Humpty Dumpty' is the most depressing one. They're altering British military history.

9 Name: tiger002 : 2009-12-23 10:55 ID:oW6dz0yz

One of my main fandoms is Disney's suite life series, but I normally take it in completely different directions than the show normally would do. I include a lot of violence, sometimes quite graphic, and have killed a number of the characters. The ratings are for a reason, and I put a warning at the start of my most violent scene.

10 Name: RayRay : 2009-12-23 12:46 ID:HykN9LRB

>>8 what have they done to Humpty Dumpty???

I honestly agree with the other people on here - sure, its not nice to read that stuff; but most of it comes with a warning, and if you can't handle it,then just stray away from the M rated stuff.

Theres a reason FF.net has the main page set so that M rated fics dont show by default.

I think its personal choice.

11 Name: ImJustSunny : 2009-12-23 18:55 ID:3OD3WMH+

Haha there some pretty horrible ones for noddy to that made me and my mate laugh

12 Name: JustAchild : 2009-12-24 10:02 ID:J+3zJdDC

Some children programmes on FF even have M ratings. I was like, What.the.hell?! You don't expect to see a lovable kids character mouthing off, getting violent or in sexual 'situations'.....really ridiculous

13 Name: ... : 2009-12-24 11:16 ID:ZkUWNmVD

>>10 To avoid traumatising young children, they wish to change the word 'couldn't' to 'could'. This means that the (joke) 1648 battle of Colchester theory (of the origin of the rhyme) is left to flounder. I posted to see if anyone else had read a history textbook that stated the spoof as fact, but it appears not.

14 Name: RayRay : 2009-12-24 11:51 ID:1TCOJmbL

Wow...why the heck would they change it. Its so stupid. We can't do anything nowadays. Kids get away with everything though - and people wonder why society is a wreck...

15 Name: Iaculus : 2009-12-24 12:47 ID:o2acv6fy

Because it's always been?

I cannae help wondering exactly what standard those grumbling about 'society' are holding it up to sometimes. Newsflash: the 'good old days' were pretty nasty too. For reference, see Mad Men.

Glad I got that out of my system.

16 Name: GeneralLaygo : 2009-12-24 14:17 ID:ZGn/+Nir

On FFN there was a person called the last great rocker wrecking the spyro archive. What did me and my friends find out? His other archives which he wrecked e.g Kung fu panda and chowder.
Kung fu panda: Main character commits suicide.
Chowder: Main character eats something. Guess what? There's even a sequel. Who wants to see there main character die?
He even killed my friend in a story for pointing out his flaws. This started the flame wars in the Spyro archive.

17 Name: tiger002 : 2009-12-26 20:31 ID:oW6dz0yz

While I might like those stories, taking a fandom in nontraditional directions isn't a bad thing. Some of my favorite stories take a Disney sitcom and turn it into a heart wrenching tragedy, one having the main character committing suicide. Would you see it in the show? No, but why not experiment with the characters to see what would happen in unusual circumstances?
I admit, it's not uncommon to kill main characters, but the emotional trauma in it is what makes it good. While I wouldn't want younger fans of the show to read it, it's not my fault if someone ignores the rating.

18 Name: Lauraac2110 : 2010-01-03 11:45 ID:hmP/Wvj8

I understand why many grown up issues end up in kids fiction but, to be on the safe side, I've always believed that fan-fics for shows with predominantly younger audiences should be restricted to T+ rating at the most.

That way, the grown up issues can feature to a "limited" extent whilst, at the same time, it can also be a story which teenagers can read.

I write for Power Rangers and, to be honest, if a novel is written well enough and rated appropriately then it should be allowed if it has limited "grown up" issues.

However, I don't agree at all with including rape/torture or any other sort of sadistic things into a story. My advice to those writers, is to take their novels away to AdultFanfiction.Net.

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