some of the things in some fanfics that just annoy the hell out of you. (392)

1 Name: Eve : 2009-12-11 19:24 ID:AuqBCWz9

E.g. OOC, discintinuous plot lines, and absolute fucking RONDOMNESS! I mean hell yeah it's funny, but then why the fuck put it in the "angst" catagory, or "drama"... you get what I mean... XP

343 Name: TheNightShadow4 : 2010-10-08 18:02 ID:QNOU6ab8

Sorry for posting twice.

344 Name: Marth : 2010-10-09 07:36 ID:aQe4/S9i

'Sokay, double posts happen all the time because this site is slooow. And that clears up your point well. Thanks.

345 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-10-10 00:59 ID:Q2tnyWYA

I, or someone else may have mentioned this earlier, but it is such a long post. One of the things that bugs me are fanfics that defy the way that human logic dictates someone normally would act. Don't get me wrong, I get the idea that there are going to be certain people who don't act normal, but wouldn't people still act accordingly around these peoples odd behaviors?

For example, I know of a lot of Harry Potter fanfics where a student is in a relationship with a teacher. However, this is typically highly frowned upon, even if the student is of age of consent. It isn't eactly the concept that I have a problem with, but the fact that most humans logic would be to not be in such a relationship that was taboo in the first place.

Yet, there we have canon characters who are not acting like what one would expect someone to normally act in society. They've shown no sign of this previously, yet they happen to suddenly show full force that they are this way in peoples fanfics. There is no build up, no realisticness.

Also, you would think that some of the Mary Sue writers would get that you don't make friends by punching people. I would much rather have a Mary Sue Classic then a Jerk Sue any day, particularly with the fact I've been seeing ever since I started reading fanfiction online, a steady increase in Anti-Sues (they are still Sues), Jerk Sues, Sympathy Sues, and people insisting that they really did give their character a flaw, which makes them not a Mary Sue.

346 Name: Niori : 2010-10-10 13:52 ID:ld//cK1F

The only thing though, is that there ARE students and teachers who get into a relationship, wrong or not(there was one at one of my rival high schools). So, saying that human logic would mean that they're not is such a taboo relationship isn't 100% true. Most people yes, but not everyone.

Though, I will give you that any of the Hogwarts students with one of the teachers seems quite out of character for me.

347 Name: Marth : 2010-10-10 20:35 ID:j13UO1Ji

>>347 On a related note, I hate it when a fanfic is about a taboo relationship (teacher/student, for instance, or incest) and everyone who does not support the relationship is stupid or evil--generally in ways that contradict their original characterizations. That kind of OOC is always annoying, but I find it much more grating in situations where there is a clear, legitimate reason to be concerned about a couple.

And rargh, I'm with you concerning Classic Sue vs. Jerkass Sue. Explaining "your character has no flaws" to someone is a lot easier than explaining "your character's flaws are not handled as flaws."

348 Name: Anonymous : 2010-10-11 00:50 ID:6s0IIs53

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349 Name: Gin : 2010-10-11 06:52 ID:phLNmsHs

Hooray, they're coming back >.>

>>347, >>349: Definitely agree with you about the Sue-ness. Then again, considering that some "fans" can't even grasp the basics of the canon characters they profess to like so much, how can we expect them to be able to create believable OCs?

350 Name: TheNightShadow4 : 2010-10-11 10:56 ID:QNOU6ab8

>>347 totally agree about jerk-sues. I understand wanting to have a strong, independent, badass female but the extent these people will go in ridicules! And what's worse is when they clam that the people who don't like their character, in and out of story, are sexist who just don't like "strong" women.

On that note--and going back to something I asked earlier--I dislike it when people can't take criticism gracefully. Of course, if you're being flamed you've got every right to be up set, but someone is just pointing out a few little flaws there's no needed to jump down their throat.

351 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-10-14 23:35 ID:Q2tnyWYA

>>348 - I know that it happens in real life. What I was trying to say by the human logic standard is the fact that the characters of the teachers, unless properly developed by the fanfic writer are not the type to even be in a romantic relationship with a student. When I was refering to human logic, I was specifically refering to the fact that it doesn't fit the characterization of the characters in the relationship, not that it couldn't ever happen.

>>349 - I actually had someone do that to me. The fanfic writer put Tatsuki from Bleach into a relationship with Karin, when there are so many things within canon that would say it would never, ever happen. Like the fact that Karin's older brother would kill his childhood friend Tatsuki for even touching his baby sister. If the writer ignores the existence of such things, and doesn't try to use them, then it is likely they are writing for some off beat kick, rather then actual writing.

Over on Pottersues, we had a Suethor who tried telling us critiquers that came her way and reviewed her fanfic, try and tell us that her character had flaws. She listed that the Sue had parental problems and that she had some sort of emotional problem. The parental problems are external and lay with the parents, or were falsly perceved by the Sue. As for the emotional problems, they didn't at all come out in the fic.

>>351 - I've had some Suethors, those who write Canon Sues, come and try telling me that they are free to interpret any way that they want to. I say, while that is true, there is still an incorrect way to intepret something. I've also had someone tell me that they had to make the characters OoC for their plot to work, to which I responded that means they failed.

>>352 - I've flat out told many a Suethor, if the character punches canon characters when they first meet them, they aren't going to be making friends, they're going to end up in the psyche ward. I have nothing against strong women, and when someone tries pulling that lame arguement, I will flat out tell them that they haven't even got a clue what it means to be strong.

I think, if someone can't take critique and are only posting to get the lovely, lovely reviews, they are in no way ready to be posting their work to the net. Sure, they may not have standards, and those that gush over them don't, but the rest of the world does, and even in fanfiction there are things that make good writing, good writing.

352 Name: WindAlias : 2010-10-17 09:46 ID:3uaXsQaV

>>347

Definitely. The Jerk Sues seem to be on the up rise these days. However, I think I would prefer Jerk Sue over Mary Sue.

But that's probably because I like jerk characters. I think it's perfectly fine to have a Jerk or (excuse me) chronicus douchbagicus character as long as its 1) not a Sue and 2) well written.

On a side note: Gary Stues. (I would say Stu but I can't bear to give them the same name as 2D) What do you think of them? Are they better or worse than Mary Sues?

353 Name: Gin : 2010-10-17 12:16 ID:flCQ5KaX

>>354 They tend not to be so prolific, in my experience, but they still suffer from the same hallmarks of bad writing...

Of course, I think the canon Sue is worst of all. Especially because you're likely to have some emotional attachment to those warped, twisted characters.

354 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-10-17 21:41 ID:Q2tnyWYA

>>354 - I like jerk characters too, but I am not fond of Jerk Sues. I think it has to do with the fact that nearly every single one I've come across belongs in an insane assylum, with the way that they act.

As for Gary Stus. They're the same. Some people say that it is impossible to kill off these souped up Gary Stu, but truth is, they are betable once you apply the logic to them. However, any Suethor hates logic being applied to their fanfics.

>>355 - I agree the Canon Sue is the worst. Both in the sense of fanfic writing and actual canon.

355 Name: WindAlias : 2010-10-18 07:40 ID:3uaXsQaV

>>355 When you say Canon Sue, does that refer to the main characters in a book/manga/anime/whatever that is a Sue?

356 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-10-18 10:43 ID:Q2tnyWYA

>>357 - It is a good question, I think that they may have been refering to Canon Sues like Bella Swan, but I myself wasn't sure. The ones in fanfic writing, also are called Possession Sues, but they are still a type of Canon Sue.

Recently, I read a very lovely peice of work. If it had been original work, I would have had nothing but praise for the piece. However... the fanfic happens to be about Kurosaki Karin from Bleach. She is a tomboy, wears boyish clothing and has a VERY strong personality. The writer though, turned her into a model and had her burst into a tears because a guy she liked got with another girl and had a baby. That isn't Karin.

357 Name: Jen : 2010-10-20 12:09 ID:znUn5jWe

...Karin? Can't really imagine her doing that... I just hate it when writers do things like that. I agree with a lot of the people on this thread- for me it's the worst type of Sue too. It happens a lot to some really strong female characters, which is really disappointing.

I just don't like OC's in general- yeah, I have seen some good ones, but most of the ones that I see either are Sues or I don't like their personality. I've read an OC fanfiction (that was next-gen, kids of the main character thing) and I just couldn't like the main female OC. I hesitate to call her a Sue- she was something like in between a Sue and a good OC? But she was just that kind of female that always pops up in beginner writers- they have flaws, but they're hard to see with all the good things going for them. The writing itself was impressive, and the writer was just 14. Still, I just couldn't enjoy the story. It was original, the writer had good ideas, just had too many stereotypical aspects that I wish hadn't been there.

I apologize if that didn't make sense. ^^;

358 Name: Gin : 2010-10-20 15:45 ID:flCQ5KaX

It makes perfect sense to me, Jen.

Occasionally I do have to use OCs - for example, the mother of a canon character(s) or a Security officer above mook status - but I leave them as mostly-functions. They're almost bit-parts unless one really does play a major role...

In general, though, OCs bug me. I was trying to explain this to a non-fandom friend earlier. The characters from the fandom are what I'm there for. Their stories. Not a mishmash of traits thrown together in a slapdash manner. (And there are some genuinely good OCs, but in our fandom? They're painfully, painfully rare, it seems... T-T)

359 Name: Calyn : 2010-10-20 18:39 ID:dg2/W6gU

Too much to write here, but I'll put one of my big beefs:

STRAPLESS DRESSES IN NARNIA FANFICTION.

Stupid authors.

They wear medieval clothing, not 2010 prom dresses.

360 Name: TheNightShadow4 : 2010-10-21 10:14 ID:QNOU6ab8

It can be hard sometimes--for me at least—to tell the difference between and Mary-Sue & and OC who's personality I just find irritating. The same can be said for cannon characters, too.
For example: I really don’t like Winry Rockbell from Fullmetal Alchemist, and used to go on and on about what a Mary-Sue she was. However, as I learned more about what actually counts as a Sue, I realized that, no, Winry isn’t one; I just didn’t like her—which are two totally different things. (Then I went through a period of complete embarrassment ‘cause of all the stupid, untrue things I’d said about her, but we won’t get into that now—or ever!) Anyway, what I’m trying to get at is that personal opinions can really cloud your judgment at times.

I guess I don't mind fics where an OC has a major role; hell, I'm even writing one (shameless advertisement). So long as the cannon people are there, and don't get reduced to simple standing around waiting of the OC to save the day and talk about how awesome s/he is, and of course, the character is done well and the writings good.

>>361: I laughed when I read your post; not because anything you said, but because I can't believe someone would be dumb enough to think there'd be strapless dresses in NARNIA!!!

Talk about “Did Not Do The Research!”

361 Name: Calyn : 2010-10-21 16:03 ID:dg2/W6gU

>>362:

Trust me, they're EVERYWHERE. ARGH.

362 Name: TheNightShadow4 : 2010-10-21 17:36 ID:QNOU6ab8

>>363: I don't even read Narnia fanfic, and yet I feel your pain!

363 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-10-21 19:01 ID:Q2tnyWYA

>>359 - Well, I've read plenty that do just that. I lectured one of the writers on the fact that the truth was, they weren't writing Karin, they were writing themselves. Her twin sister who shared an account with her couldn't help but lol because I caused her to take a step back and think. Fanfic is gone now, the one I was talking about.

Pottersues will tell you there are varing degrees of Mary Sues. There is the chance it was because the character was irksome rather then indearing. I actually have created OC's to drive the heck out of people, or to purposefully annoy canon characters. But then, I am doing that on purpose.

>>360 - That is what I am there for. If it is a good series though, you can see OC's becoming just as indearing to the readers as the canon characters. Atsuo Tomo is one such character of mine. Originally, he wasn't going to be a major character, and was just going to be used to fill in a spot that was needed. But, he started taking on a personality of his own. I have a senario where he is dead, or people think he's dead, which I can use as I need for fanfics. I may eventually write something that is centered around him, other then the one-shot explaining how he was alive. But mostly, he's the same as he's always been... a filler character.

>>361 - OH joy... reminds me of the Suethor how stuck some random OC into Narnia and had Edward elope with her, treating it like it was from our time period, not that of the World Wars. Her fanfic was removed, but not because she removed it. It got reported for bad grammer, and then she complained about the fact that someone did this. However, she made no aims to fix it.

>>363 - Believe me, I know, and I rarely go there. And they HATE it being pointed out. (Goodness! We're going to have another surge come Christmas time! OH JOY...)

364 Name: Niori : 2010-11-06 13:34 ID:ld//cK1F

This has more to do with fans than fanfics, but whatever.

Whenever fans dislike a character, and then transfer that hate to the actor/actress that plays them. I see a lot of that for the girls of Supernatural, especially brunette Ruby. It's not even only her acting, which is a legitamate thing to compromise. Seriously, I've seen people call her a pathetic whore, stupid bitch, etc- not the character, but Genivere Cortez. What the hell?

I think it's because her charater had a relationship with one of the boys. Some fans freak out whenever one of the boys has a romantic attatchment. I've seen it for Lauren Cohen (Bela), Alona Tal (Jo) and the girl that plays Lisa as well. Those people remind me of the Bieber fans that sent Kim Kardashian death threats because Bieber made a joke about her being his new girlfriend. It's seriously scary. I mean, these people seem to have no sense of reality and think that the actresses really are the character they hate.

365 Name: Ryel : 2010-11-06 20:46 ID:wTFGeQgS

Gawd, I for one, almost despise dubs. They annoy the living hell out of me. I can go on and on about this one topic, but ill limit myself.
For one thing, most voice actors can't pronounce the most important things right, for example, in Naruto...Sasuke's given an accent...xD I find it funny but irritating. Or the way some voice actors say "-chan". Ugh, i cant stand it.D<
For another thing, some of the voices don't even match the characters themselves! I mean, like, with Kuroshitsuji, I've heard parts of the dubbed episodes...Ciel sounds too much like a girl, Sebastian sounds like a 60 year old pedo, Finny sounds too manly...IT'S SO WRONG.!
And i'm not even gonna get started with Ouran High School Host Club...Funimation killed most of the good animes D:
I can't stand dubs....

366 Name: Marth : 2010-11-06 22:34 ID:j13UO1Ji

I think you're in the wrong thread, Ryel. The dub thread is a few down.

367 Name: TheNightShadow4 : 2010-11-07 14:28 ID:QNOU6ab8

>>366 I have to say, I've never seen or heard of something like that happening; at least not in any of my fandoms. I still find it really, really stupid though. I can understand not liking a character, but that doesn't give you the right to slam the actor/actress. Honestly, the fact that some people can't tell the difference between a real-life person, and a character on a show scares me a little.

368 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-11-07 15:54 ID:Q2tnyWYA

>>366 & 369 - I've actually heard of this. Actually, some of the Twihards got pissed off whenever they thought the actor and actress who played Edward and Bella were cheating on each other. Some were like, 'oh my gosh, they kissed on screen so romantically, they must also have a thing with each other in real life'.

One of my fanfics, a one shot featuring Hitsugaya Toshiro and Hinamori Momo... well, let's just say one of the reviews asked me why was my story Toshiro/Karin, when I clearly marked it as Toshiro/Momo. I sent them a polite PM explaining to them that the characters listed as the main characters has NOTHING to do with the pairing.

Also, there are people who talk about Hitsugaya Toshiro being in a pedofilic relationship because of the age difference. They claim that Toshiro/Karin is one, because she is 11/13, whilw he is 40/50+ years. They then argue that Toshiro/Matsumoto is also a bad pairing because he is equivilently 10-13, while she is equivilently old enough to be his mother. For those who don't know anything about Bleach, you age and mature at a slower rate in soul society once you've died. Yet... it goes over some people's heads big time.

369 Name: Marth : 2010-11-07 19:23 ID:j13UO1Ji

>>370 Was your story in the romance genre, Yemi? Because if it was, and I hate to say this (because reviewers who bitch about pairings are by and large terrible people), but your reviewer had a point. As a rule of thumb, if you're writing a romance fic, the main couple should be the label characters. If there's a good reason why they're not, then you have to at least put the main pairing in the summary.

If it was primarily some other kind of fic, though, then I reiterate: reviewers who bitch about pairings are, by and large, terrible people. XD

370 Name: Jen : 2010-11-14 11:44 ID:c2OzKCTv

Correcting my post >>359. Now that I look at that character again, she seems like a MS and on the litmus test she's over 100.

371 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-11-18 02:15 ID:Q2tnyWYA

>>371 - It wasn't listed as romance at all. There was some hints of Toshiro/Karin, but that was only a sliver of the whole thing. It was actually listed as family/humour. That same fanfic, I had someone say that I had hints of Ichigo/Toshiro in there too, when I was writing them as a brother/brother thing.

On the sequel, which also wasn't romance, I had someone tell me I was wrong for writing Momo as Toshiro's sister. Yet, Bleach canon makes it rather clear they grew up as siblings.

I got a bunch of lols from it, truth be told.

>>372 - Ahh... I think you got the wrong thread.

I recently came across a fanfic which is for an Anime that is supposed to be cute and fluffy, and the person thought it was all right to turn the main character OoC from sweet and klutzy to non-klutzy split personality. Believe me, this is one of those times, klutzy is a fatal flaw and actually moves the plot along rather then indearing people. It wasn't her anymore, and there was no rhyme or reason to do it. Actually, I got the reason was that they were trying to write themselves instead.

And no... OoC warning doesn't mean it is all right either. Not when there is no background. There were other things which were problematic. Ichigo needs her klutzyness for Yuminero Pattisiere to work. Otherwise... she's a Mary Sue. Actually, they turned her ability to taste really well into something that was just freakish, being able to taste things without any training. shudder

372 Name: o.o : 2010-11-18 17:50 ID:RkpDCVJ2

The thing that irritates me the most is when people hate a character and choose to bash them durring the whole course of the fict. Just because you don't like the character doesn't mean everyone else hates them. I'm reading the story for the plot and to my knowlege, the plot was NOT 101 ways to insult or belittle _*insert name here*_.

373 Name: Jen : 2010-11-18 19:37 ID:46WDTMoB

>>373 Nope, right thread. I was fixing myself on a post.

I'm on 30 episodes in on Bleach (plus a ton of spoilers), so I don't really know too much about it and the laws of its universe, or its fandom. Do people care much whether it's a bit pedofilic? From the little I've seen, people don't seem to mind Hitsaguya/Rangiku that much.

374 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-11-19 00:55 ID:Q2tnyWYA

>>374 - Along with being lectured that OoC warning don't excuse doing one of the big no-nos in fanfiction, they also don't like being lectured about character bashing warnings not being an excuse either.

>>375 - I guess the best way to put it is, there are two sides of the coin. Some people like myself measure by equivilent age, and others measure by actual age.

Equivilent age measures a characters age by pysical appearance and whether it is known if they've stopped growing or not. Actual age measures by the actual years you know someone lives. Toshiro would be ten to twelve under the first, while over forty with the second.

I personally lean towards the first one, measuring by equivilent ages. I find Rangiku/Toshiro to be pedofilic because of that measurement, but I've read a few fanfics that use the second side of the coin and they are well written. Another reason I personally have problems with Rangiku/Toshiro is because I like Gin/Ran and Gin+Ran=Toshiro. It's out there, I know.

But the person I was specifically talking about is someone who tried using both of those measurements to justify Toshiro/Karin as pedofilic and Rangiku/Toshiro as pedofilic too. Problem is, the logic ones uses for each to be pedofilic contradicts the other. It's something you can't have both on, and something that I tell fanfic readers they need to figure out what side of the coin they are on, at least for the fanfics they are writing, and to be upfront with their readers about it.

To be upfront, they were a Toshiro/Momo shipper. Let's just say... most of them come across as Twihards, making a few, the Twilighters of the ship, look bad. Actually, I know of one Toshiro/Momo shipper, someone I worked with and know well, who wrote a fanfic where they were jsut friends, and they got flamed by another Toshiro/Momo shipper.

375 Name: TheNightShadow4 : 2010-11-23 19:17 ID:QNOU6ab8

>>376 Glade I'm not the only one who thinks Toshiro could be Gin and Ran's kid (of that's what you meant).

Two more things that bug me:

1) MPreg, just MPreg. Why? What's the appeal of having a guy pregnant? I really just don't get this at all. I understand wanting your yaoi couple to have kids, but why can't they adopt? How does this even work? Honestly, it just creep me out. (No offences meant to anyone).

2) You know how sometimes you'll be reading a great fic, forget to save it to your favorites, and when you try to find it again you can't? I hate that! It's so annoying!

376 Name: C : 2010-11-23 19:33 ID:xCYOPyNC

>>377 MPreg is definitely one of the stranger trends in yaoi. Many people seem to just rule out the option of adoption or surrogacy and go straight for the biological babies.
Some fandoms have it worse with these types of stories. Dragon Ball Z for instance is full of them because of the fact that saiyans are a different race and therefore may or may not be able to have babies as males. Never made sense to me, but that's the excuse many make.

377 Name: セーラーエリスは刀の女ですか。 : 2010-11-24 08:39 ID:cp+XpfC7

>>378 LOL at the Dragonball case!! it was clearly stated in the Anime that Saiyajin do have women and reproduce like human species, we had seen SonGoku's genitals countless of times to be sure that is like earthlings headdesk

I have seen a story in my fandom that I never clicked on it because the summary was about how a woman can make another woman pregnant (without the help of a sperm) and how they have to deal with "accidents" like those in hetero couples facepalm

378 Name: TheNightShadow4 : 2010-11-24 15:17 ID:QNOU6ab8

>>379 Somewhere a biologist is weeping.

379 Name: Gin : 2010-11-24 15:27 ID:flCQ5KaX

>>380 As is Common Sense. And Dignity is residing here... http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/162/7/6/Dignity_by_Riechstag.png

(No, that's not my artwork (I was never especially good at art), it just illustrates the point.)

380 Name: TheNightShadow4 : 2010-11-24 15:31 ID:QNOU6ab8

This just came to me, but I think I know why some people automatically rule out adoption: they want the kids to look like the cannon characters!

This may to be completely true for everyone, but just think of all the times have you read a "next generation fic"(yaoi, yuri, or het) were the offspring(s) are exacta carbon copy's of their parents, in looks and personalities.

This really bugs me too, because I like next gen fics, but it's almost imposable to find one with some originality! I don't mind the OCs looking like their parents, 'cause that does happen in real life, but they never have any personality of their own. These OCs are just Copy-Cat Sues.

381 Name: TheNightShadow4 : 2010-11-24 15:33 ID:QNOU6ab8

>>381 LMAO!

382 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2010-11-24 17:01 ID:Q2tnyWYA

>>337 - I definatly meant Toshiro being their kid. I've written it into a bunch of my fanfics all ready.

1.) I don't get the appeal either. Not to mention, I don't like seeing it unless it can be explained away. Like for Bleach, I can see the twelth division taicho messing around just for the fun of it, much to the fury of Unohana.

2.) Or putting it to one of ones alerts. I've had a few like that, particularly when I've wanted to go back for reference fanfics. Mostly though, it was before I had an account.

>>378 - It doesn't make sense to me either. I go with assume that the reason that males and females are labeled as such in anything with different races is because of the whole able to make or not be able to make baby.

>>379 - We have a story that I keep hitting my head whenever I happen to come across it via googling, where Ichigo gets Toshiro pregnaunt and Toshiro is redusced to the helpless female role and Isshin tells Ichigo to take care of him. I was like. What the ****...

>>380 - Some people try arguing with the whole, it doesn't fit with science because fiction is not real, to which I argue reality doesn't equate belivability and vice versa.

>>382 - That seems like a wierd reason to rule out adoption. Why? Because I know that in adopting kids, you can request specifics on whether it is male, female, even more, depending on the adoption agency. So I don't buy that one. I actually hate carbon copy kids. Come on... kids aren't their parents. Of course, you get people arguing against the whole idea that Ran and Gin may be Toshiro's parents because looks aren't enough and they have nothing else simular, so their idea of what equals a child of someone is someone who acts exactly like their parents. Though I have to say, as of the latest chapters in Bleach, I am even more leaning towards that theory, not to mention it shows Toshiro to have a personality that really is a mesh of Gin and Ran's.

383 Name: TheNightShadow4 : 2010-11-24 18:25 ID:QNOU6ab8

>>384 My knowledge on adoption is a little sketchy; I wasn't aware you could choose things like that. Thanks for pointing that out. Still, I have to wonder if my theory doesn’t have a grain of truth in it. Perhaps some writers are as ignorant as I am about the whole process, and that’s why they don’t use it? I’m probable grasping at straws here though.

384 Name: TheNightShaodw4 : 2011-01-02 15:03 ID:QNOU6ab8

Sex thrown in just for the heck of it. Unless it's important to the plot, I don't want to sit trough a badly done lemon. Sometimes, I get the feeling authors, especially young one(that made me sound old!), put sex in because they want their stories to seem "mature" and yet for me it has the opposite effect.

Same with excessive swearing. Unless it's in the character's nature, making them say "fuck" ten time in a signal sentence doesn't make them sound "cool" or "grown-up." It makes them sound like a seven year old.

385 Name: Piccylo : 2011-01-02 17:47 ID:4ouYqhF2

It does gripe me when writers have obviously not done any research for their fics. Sure, I understand that people do this as a hobby or as practice, but I don't see why using the internet that they obviously have to improve their writing could be anything other than constructive. It destroys the believability to more mature readers. And the simple biology ones:

Pregnancy is, unfortunately, a big one, and mpreg is only one aspect of it. I'm sure the only thing most writers are aware of (and a good portion of these writers are female, which makes the whole thing that much more disappointing), is that the fetus is getting bigger somewhere in the abdomen and it takes about nine months before it comes out. Everything else is utter confusion.

Another thing is the humble hymen, which seems to appear in 90% of het sexfics. If you're writing a sex scene... why do you always have to have the chick be a virgin? Furthermore, not all women break pop their cherries from their first time with a guy; a penis isn't a magical hymen-breaker. Lots of girls break it by rigorous exercise, which is something to consider if the character is a fighter. If they ride horseback a lot, it might break while they're riding. Then there's good ol' masturbation, and I refuse to believe so many of these girls never tried doing anything (with a dildo, broom handle, bedpost, or just long fingers) that could result in busting that membrane.

But the avoidable thing that will make me rage the easiest is if a fanfic hasn't even properly researched the work they're writing fanfiction for. If it's something obscure, it can be ignored, but basic knowledge slaps the reader in the face, and it gets really wonky when you start making stuff up with misconceptions of your own fandom. Twice in Naruto fics I've seen someone make up a country/village with quite unfortunate consequences. One author seemed didn't know that Konoha (Village Hidden in the Leaves) was in Fire Country... not the Leaf Country, because she made a Village Hidden in the Flames, and guess what their country was called. Or another made a Village Hidden in Shadows... Shadogakure, in the Land of Shadows, with a (and this is the kicker) SHADOKAGE. Just take a moment and think... what does "kage" mean?

386 Name: TheNightShaodw4 : 2011-01-02 18:02 ID:QNOU6ab8

>>387 is it just me, or does "shadowshadow" sound like a pokemon?

387 Name: Piccylo : 2011-01-02 21:19 ID:4ouYqhF2

>>388
I can definitely see that.

388 Name: Marth : 2011-11-30 09:58 ID:F2ovB6SC

Summaries that say, "This is my first fic in fandom X, please be nice!" I have a little bit of sympathy for folks posting their first fic ever, because they may not have all of FFN's idiosyncrasies (like the fact that you should always preview a document before you turn it into a story, because the doc manager occasionally does things like delete all your commas) down yet, but moving to a new fandom isn't an excuse for badness.

Also, bump. THIS THREAD EXISTS. PLEASE STOP MAKING IDENTICAL THREADS.

389 Name: Ms. Ghostbuster : 2011-12-10 13:38 ID:Ep+S4/9E

Whenever I read KanamexZero fanfics and it is also a KanamexYuki fanfic! What the hell! I don't read KanamexZero fanfics to also read about KanamexYuki or a three way KanamexYukixZero fanfic! If I wanted to read about KanamexYuki I would just go to KanamexYuki fanfic section instead! That's the whole point of me reading KanamexZero fanfics to read fanfics of Kaname not being paired with that Mary Sue! I like it when Yuki is the villian, or she's not a villian but Kaname and Zero do not love her, or she doesn't exist at all! Jeesh! They already get enough of thier stupid KanamexYuki in the Vampire Knight anime/manga anyway!

390 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2011-12-21 22:00 ID:pwzc9tNb

>>385 - While some of the mpreg fanfics can be explained away by people not knowing that kind of stuff, I think a good deal of them do it just because they want to.

>>386 - I agree with you on the fact that the younger writers put it in there to make their story seem more mature, or in some cases more mature. I've critiqued way to many stories that have pointless sex scenes.

>>367 - When Pottersues gets a story that has research problems, someone tends to go and see how long it took them to double check the information that they are getting. Practically every single time, it takes only a few minutes to double check the information. Not to mention, when it takes only a few minutes to do the research, it is the writer who looks like the fool, not the reader.

Nothing to add on the mpreg stuff.

I never really thought about the whole "humble hymen" thing, simply because I don't read many fanfics that have sex scenes in them that I'm not pushing to the side simply because it is thrown in for the fun of it. I do have a story that I wrote with Evilhumor where there was a chance that a certain character would be in the situation you describe, because she is very active in her every day activity, but her still being a virgin played into the story plotline.

The only time you don't need to know the fandom well, is when you are writing troll fic on purpose.

>>390 - I can actually sympathize with the whole getting used to how the system works. Still, first fanfics are the best time to break writing bad writing habits, and I tell them this. I had quite a few people who broke me of some of them, like my mixing up of "there" and "their" back when I started.

>>391 - The way you wrote your post, it seems more like a personal problem with the differences in your dislikes and someone elses, rather then a problem with the actual writing. While I get the feeling she is a Mary Sue in VK, you also need to be careful about throwing the term around when it comes to canon characters. I've seen way too many people use the term for any character they dislike, and that feels how you are using it. Particularly since anyone who has critiqued knows there is such a thing as a likable Mary Sue that people enjoy to read, not to mention with the Canon Sues, in the hands of a good writer, she can become no longer a Mary Sue.

391 Name: bunch1 : 2012-02-06 01:49 ID:vjCyq6qe

Tag along crossovers. What's the point of character A coming to fandom B if it dosn't change things. I don't mean a fight here or there, or the mandatory new dialog, but the real meat of the story. So many times it seems that the new character dosen't have an impact, good or bad, things simply proced how they did in cannon. It's just seems like the author is to lazy to think of how things change and instead go with what was already there. I know some things wouldn't change depending on the story and character, but I always felt a crossover character needs to have some impact that changes how things progress. The end result dosn't have to change, but how they get there does.

392 Name: Yemi Hikari : 2012-02-10 02:06 ID:QuIdFWmZ

>>393 - Better yet, what is the point of introducing a new character to an already existing storyline "if it doesn't change things." Your idea that "The end result doesn't have to change, but how they get there does." I'm actually using that concept in one of my story lines for Bleach. No... I don't throw in a new character, but I change a major event and it causes some changes in how the story line of Bleach progress.

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