What makes a good heroine? (16)

1 Name: Mimi-dudettex : 2009-10-25 14:58 ID:5xNh+buD

Is it me, or is there a team of haters for almost every heroine in a fandom?
What do you think makes a good heroine and whos your favourite? :)
I like Haruhi from Ouran Host Club :D She's so hilariously blunt.

2 Name: DarthRevanShepard : 2009-10-25 16:41 ID:S4+HukSA

I think the best thing in a heroine is confidence and if they can show that they are equal to the male heroes.
Probably my favourite is Rukia from Bleach Lady from DMC.
Personally, I am a hater of a lot of lead female characters but I only hate the ones who are portrayed as weak and always need saving e.g. Orihime, Kyrie etc.

3 Name: DarthRevanShepard : 2009-10-25 16:41 ID:S4+HukSA

I think the best thing in a heroine is confidence and if they can show that they are equal to the male heroes.
Probably my favourite is Rukia from Bleach Lady from DMC.
Personally, I am a hater of a lot of lead female characters but I only hate the ones who are portrayed as weak and always need saving e.g. Orihime, Kyrie etc.

4 Name: inulover90 : 2009-10-25 17:34 ID:WvOIC7N9

i think the best is when they are strong and confident like any other character but needs some saving sometimes, they should be the damsel in distress once in a while.

my favorite.... i actually have a few favorites. Sakura from naruto, Rukia from Bleach, and Kagome and Sango from Inuyasha mostly. it's a big list but it's all of my favorites. ^_^

5 Name: Prism0467 : 2009-10-25 17:48 ID:Sn2oTr1G

I don't know that I have criteria for good heroines other than the fact that they can't have debilitating crushes on their teammates.

That said, my favorite heroines are Tenten from Naruto and Faye from Cowboy Bebop.

6 Name: SeraEris : 2009-10-25 21:56 ID:grKWsLo7

Ha! lead female roles are my kind of thing.
i love it when they are strong and kick asses like Jo in Burst angels. but i like the ones who need saving too
Sailor Moon for example
she is super strong but she hats fighting, she doesnt believe in war so she doesnt fight and all others come to her rescue
she is even befriending the villains and giving them second chances, she is clumsy and a crybaby but she wont hesitate to give her life to save a single soul or the world. she ends up as goddess in the end of course.

[songoku from dragonball was like that as well, he did fight for fun. he didnt like wars and he was trying to befriend his enemies. he did become a god as well in the end.]

7 Name: Apple102 : 2009-11-06 06:00 ID:pMIr8GCD

I think nowadays, female roles have got to go against the grain. If they're totally likeable then they're boring and unrealistic and the reader (especially female readers) can't relate because nobody on earth is perfect and totally likeable. So i guess she'd have to lacking in some area of her life: either physically: so she's either not be totally good looking or not traditionally attractive - maybe she's short or is totally flat chested?! If she is going to be good looking try and add spice to her personality - is she a good liar or kleptomaniac - you obviously don't have to be this dramatic and it all depends on your story, but the less traditional the better.
However, there is such thing as being too unique as a heroine. Someone who is so out there will be just as hard to relate to as a person who is stereotypically perfect. Realism and Originality balance is the Key!

8 Name: Iaculus : 2009-11-07 11:09 ID:8HNv46R8

Simple answer: the ones who feel like people rather than caricatures. All else is optional.

9 Name: Yellow 14 : 2009-11-07 14:41 ID:WO8SA/os

Basically, they've got to feel like real people, just like any other character.

10 Name: Ariana : 2009-11-07 15:02 ID:C8a4iLP8

I agree with Yellow 14. They've got to seem like real people. That's why those ridiculously sweet girls just don't do it for me. No-one is all sunshine and daisies.
Heroines I've liked are Haruhi Fujioka (OHSHC), Mizuki Ashiya (Hana-Kimi), Rukia Kuchiki (Bleach), Riza Hawkeye (FMA), Lenalee Lee (DGM- she cries a bit much for my liking, but the situations in which she does are situations where it's really understandable that she'd cry. Allen cried a lot too, doesn't make him any less awesome. For some reason, I've come across a lot of people who hate a girl character for shedding a tear or two, but think it's so completely adorable if the male character does), Yuuko Ichihara (XxxHolic) and Alice (Pandora Hearts- she gets a lot of hate actually, but I think she's a decent character for the most part. Maybe a bit conceited, but a little confidence never hurt anyone. Those self-deprecating girls who need their love interest to repeatedly tell them how amazing they are wear thin fast...)
Honestly, most of the girls who get stick only get that because they get in the way of other people's favourite pairings (That being said, I really don't like Orihime, but not because she 'gets in the way of IchiRuki!' I don't really support many pairings in Bleach, to be honest... and now I'm rambling. Ima shut up now.)

11 Name: EternallyJaded : 2009-11-08 05:41 ID:Xf4nTpzm

I think it's really hard to find a likable female lead. In one of my stories my OC is sarcastic, independant, has a bad temper but she has a good heart. In other words she isn't totally evil but she still has flaws. But then people tell me that she is a Mary Sue. This really annoys me because I hate Mary Sues and I don't think she is one.

Can someone please tell me how to make a heroine likable!?!?

12 Name: Iaculus : 2009-11-08 09:25 ID:f1vq6AJJ

@Jaded: Sad to say, personality isn't everything where Suedom is concerned. Does she get a disproportionate amount of focus in the story? How do others react to her? What's her success-to-failure rate? I could always have a look over it to see what, if anything, you're doing wrong and offer suggestions.

Back on topic, my own work and first fanfic is a real monster, a stand-alone mega crossover created in response to Academia Nut's 'The Open Door' in which several universes (including those of Nanoha, Haruhi Suzumiya, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Star Wars, and Star Trek) ally against the protagonists of that story with... varying degrees of success. Despite that, no prior knowledge of the earlier story is required - I did say it's a stand-alone.

Here's the link: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5433094/1/The_Doorstop

It contains something for everyone - action, adventure, horror, romance, and the occasional orang-utan. Fifteen chapters plus the prologue up so far, and it's updated weekly. Just one word of advice from the experiences of my betas: do not read it whilst under the influence of mind-altering substances. You have been warned.

13 Name: Iaculus : 2009-11-08 09:26 ID:f1vq6AJJ

Oops, wrong thread. Accursed board setup...

14 Name: Helena : 2009-11-11 11:41 ID:IDb+hfW2

What makes for a good heroine: a sympathetic personality (which doesn't necessarily mean 'nice'), a realistic balance of strengths and weaknesses, and not being a Mary Sue. As several people have said, perfect characters are boring.

@EternallyJaded: I can't really comment without having read your fic, but I would ask this: do the traits you mentioned actually have an impact on the story? It's no use giving your character flaws if they never cause her any problems and everyone loves her anyway. For instance, does her sarcastic attitude put people off and make them think she's unfriendly? Does her temper cause her to do things she later regrets, and maybe has to apologise for? Does her independence make it harder for her to find help when she actually needs it? If she always succeeds at everything she does, despite her not-too-nice personality, she may still come across as a Mary Sue.

15 Name: EternallyJaded : 2009-11-11 11:45 ID:Xf4nTpzm

Thanks to Iaculus and Helena for their great help. I get the accusations a lot better now, but still don't totally agreee with the people who said it. Thanks!

16 Name: Majin : 2009-11-11 13:08 ID:thHbvPyH

I think a good heroine varies, depending on the situation.

Canon characters can seem to get away with a lot more than OC characters. Lina Inverse from Slayers as an example has her faults (short, flat chested, bad temper), but she always wins in the end, seems to know more about magic than most others and always has the answers. It's expected in a way and people like her still. A similar OC character in a fanfic couldn't really get away with it, so you have to be more careful.

People have already mentioned a good balance of strengths/weaknesses and good/bad traits, so I'll skip that. Helena's point about them having an impact on the story is true though.

It doesn't always happen, but I think a good heroine (and in fact, a good character) grows, often slowly, as events happen. For instance, someone who originally wanted to do everything themselves, may fail because of it and later become more and more open to helping and being helped by others.

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