WARNING this thread may contain spoilers!!!!
Having finnished all 3 books I thought it was brilliant!!
First topic of discussion... Who do you think the charactors are on the front covers?
City of Bones? I think Jace (seams pretty obvious)
City of Ashes? I think Clary (again obvious)
City of Glass? I don't know, I thought Alec but then you would think he would have his bow and arrow?
The ending... Almost perfect.
Lets discuss the plagerism side of things aswell. How do you feel about Cassandra Clare?
well i guess a lot of writers could be accused of plagerism. it's very difficult to come up with a completly original idea.
Are you talking about her plagiarism within the fandom, or otherwise?
I loved her Draco Trilogy, and am very lucky to be one of the only people who still has the PDF files; very hard to come by. But by the time the accusations within the fandom had hit I was out of the loop, so don't know the full story.
I couldn't finish the first book it was so bad. The characters were clearly ripped off from Harry Potter (I worked this out BEFORE finding out about how she stole from another ff writer.) And it was awful, just awful. The characters were flat and unrealistic, the storyline convulted and messy. It was the most ridiculous book I've tried to read in years. And I've read Twilight.
>>3 as Marth says, she didn't have a similar idea to someone else. She stole someone else's work.
I couldn't finish the first book it was so bad. The characters were clearly ripped off from Harry Potter (I worked this out BEFORE finding out about how she stole from another writer.) And it was awful, just awful. The characters were flat and unrealistic, the storyline convulted and messy. It was the most ridiculous book I've tried to read in years. And I've read Twilight.
>>3 as Marth says, she didn't have a similar idea to someone else. She stole someone else's work.
I couldn't finish the first book it was so bad. The characters were clearly ripped off from Harry Potter (I worked this out BEFORE finding out about how she stole from another writer.) And it was awful, just awful. The characters were flat and unrealistic, the storyline convulted and messy. It was the most ridiculous book I've tried to read in years. And I've read Twilight.
>>3 as Marth says, she didn't have a similar idea to someone else. She stole someone else's work.
Well, I'm not familiar with her fanfiction, so I apologise.
Yeah, from what I've heard about this woman, I'm glad I declined to buy the books when I first found them.
I can't recall where it was, but I once found an in-depth explanation of all the things she had ripped off, and from where. The person that did it had even scouted down the passages she had plagiarized from—as Marth said, she pretty much lifted them word for word.
And then (here's the kicker) she copied stuff from her own fanfics in order to make her books. It's, like, meta-plagiarism.
I never read her fanfictions - a friend was hooked but at the time, I was writing my own stuff.
I read her novel though - I'm lazy and wanted to read something.
Here's the link to the 'story': http://www.journalfen.net/community/bad_penny/8985.html#cutid1
I read it a long time ago - not only did she rip other works for her fanfics, but she copied whole chapters from her fanfics for her originals. Which are only originals because that's the usual name. (Clary is one heck of a Mary Sue... is uneasy)
I cracked when I read about Valentine... a mix between Sephiroth, Lucius and Voldemort... kind of... (which is doubly interesting because there's the scene between Jace and Valentine that is taken straight from the Draco Trilogy)
As for the guy on the last cover... I do believe it's Alec... though I'm kinda torn. But it has to be him.
So yeah... I read it, and sometimes peer through it when bored - or procrastinating. That's all.
(Seeing this, I'll write a story in English and get it published in the US, sounds like it's easier to publish junk here than in Switzerland...^^ No, kidding!)
i kinda like her books... they're good if you want to sleep or laugh ( hate simon- ron lol) (lol) and i've had this conversation with the girl who got me into them and we reckon it's sebastian/the real jhonothan (sp?)
Yup, that's the same guy - Sebastian is the name of the kid he replaced to sneak into Alicante.
Simon should have been better off as a rat, duh. (Wow, mean...)
They may be good as well if you are not used to read in English - far easier than a certain LotR... hangs head in shame
>>12 As long as there's a market for it, you can publish pretty much anything. It's how 'I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell' became a number one New York Times bestseller.
Plus, you can practically publish fanfiction. I read this book called 'With Caution' by a chick named J.L. Langley and it is literally the most stereotypical werewolf fanfiction you could ever come up with in book format, except instead of whatever characters from a certain fandom suited your fancy, they were all OCs. It was terrible. I laughed a lot.
>>13 As in, she wrote the fanfic and changed the name...
Well, I guess you're right. (The name rings a bell though... Never read the book though.) I saw something similar with a book I read... the guy was rewriting Dracula (though NOT a version you can find normally...) and there was Lestat in it... Also, there were such bad typos and spelling errors that I spent the whole time 'wth-ing'...
Though sometimes I wonder who do editors even want to pay for it.
>>16 Like, a published book with Lestat in it? The author's either got a pair, or is rock-stupid (I'm going with the latter...). Rice doesn't even want regular ol' not-for-profit fanfiction written about her characters. And by "doesn't even want" I mean "harasses the shit out of anyone who writes."
Yeah. Published and all - though to be fair, I just wanted it to check it out. So yes, he must have been really stupid on that one. Well, even his 'novel' was akin to a fanfiction - badly written one at that.
Did anyone even TRY to post fanfics using Rice's novels as a base? (Well, I know that you can't on FF anyway). Not that I would try - I want to live.
I read the first book, I really shouldn't have.
This 'forbidden love' of Clary's. Please say it's not Jace. I hate incest, and I doubt that she could pull it off anyway.
The guy on the third cover is Jonathon...as in, her actual brother.
Hmm...they're okay. I thought it'd be a predictable love triangle, but the whole 'possible-incest' thing threw me for a loop. If you hadn't heard about the plagiarism (as I hadn't), the angst was actually pretty good.
Why didn't Jonathon cross my mind! Thanks for that it makes sence now. :)
Yes it was predictable and with the incest thing too, I thought the outcome of that was definatly predictable!
Why didn't Jonathon cross my mind! Thanks for that it makes sence now. :)
Yes it was predictable and with the incest thing too, I thought the outcome of that was definatly predictable!
HECK YES!!!! :D