This thread is for the discussion of "Drugs".
No, this thread is not for coming online and telling everybody about that ounce of Ganja you just bought, but is more of a place for everybody to discuss thier views on drugs. And i use the term drug lightly, and only because it is a term everybody will understand; Personally, i believe some natural remedies and plants should not have been blacklisted as a evil substance, just because it can change your perception and give you another way to understand somthing. Yes, if used wrongly, or too often, these plants and remedies become drugs. However, with proper control and legalisation, the amount of these plants and remedies avaliable to the public would be limited. If you are buying slightly illegal substances from a "Dealer" then the amounts of the "Drug" you purchase are restricted only by your self restraint and the content of your wallet.
This topic is open to everybody, regardless of if you have experimented with drugs or not. This thread is simply a place to voice your opinions on this rather Taboo subject.
"...telling everybody about that ounce of Ganja you just bought..." That made me chuckle- you know if you hadn't of said it people were bound to do it.
I'm one of those people who have never smoked, never mind taken harder drugs. All I touch is alcohol...However, I think I'm pretty relaxed about drugs on the whole. All through out college my friends took light ones when going to parties etc, but I never joined in. However, in uni I have a housemate who does a lot of drugs. It's not fun. He took ecstasy a few months back and OD'd. At first we did not even know what was going on but we worked it out and some of us (me and the other more, erm, less experienced lot) kinda freaked. We got him to hospital and his alright now...but its still a constant worry.
However, I do drink, and that's gotten me and mates into all kinds of trouble too...
Not a very interesting post, sorry! :0 :)
I have never smoked, drank alcohol or taken any other drugs. (well unless you count cold medicine when I was sick or something) I don't regret this at all. I work with several people who do, and I can see what it's doing to their lives. I don't need it, so why take it?
for any drug to be legalised you need a lot of money and a lot of public support and not many drugs have that much public support these days and then there's the question of what should be legal and what shouldn't, the only difference between drugs like weed and drugs like coke is that it takes a lot more weed to kill you but both drugs can be used safely but even then it doesn't matter how dangerous a drug is it's more about the money and how much negative publicity that drugs has.
basically if you're irresponsible and want to do like 4 grams of coke then the law is there to stop you but if you're responsible and can practice moderation and are discrete about it then you can get pretty much any drug and not get caught
>>3 for fun?
>>4 But hasn't weed been linked to paranoid scizophrenia?
Can't even prescription meds (such as paracetimol - I know I spelt that wrong) damage you in some way if taken too often/in too large doses?
It's all about being sensible I think.
>>3 I'm with you there! I have a friend who's into that sort of thing, and it's really quite scary how much she's changed. Although I have to confess that the whole 'no alcohol' thing is really only because I don't like the taste. Those poor grapes, being made into something so icky!
@LASER - Yeah, which was what I was saying. Any drug can, if taken too often/in too high doses, kill you.
>>3 & >>8 I'm with you guys.
I never tried smokes or drugs, I used to drink my father's homemade wine from our own grape fields at the age of 12 or so. i wasn't into drinking more than half of wine-glass. I don't like the bitterness of the drinks. once with my friends about 4-5 years back I got lightly drunk with a greek alcoholic drink Ouzo [one of the strongest drinks in greece actually], I went home and threw up and that's was the last time I put alcohol in my mouth [I do put some in food though it makes it tasteful ^_^]
I also do not drink coffee at all! i prefer my choco-milk :D
I was two months in bed with my waist killing me, because I refused to take painkillers!
I am person who wants to have control of myself all the time! so any kind of "stuff" simply declines my ability to do so!
>>4 Well i think saying "it takes a lot more weed to kill you" When comparing Weed to Coke is ridiculous, considering it takes around 250,000 times the usual amount smoked to get high to "OD" (This would be around 1500 pounds of Marijuana, consumed at once.)
In the words of Katt Williams; "You might have thought that bitch was dead, but in bout half an hour, he gunna wake up, hungry enough to eat half the food in yo house!"
>>5 Yes, weed has been linked to Paranoid Scizophrenia. Allow me to clarify. The study says that Cannabis does not cause scizophrenia, but if the person is allready scizophrenic, it could cause the problem to worsen. And as LASER has stated, red meat has been linked to cancer. Theres thousands of random theories about what is good and what is bad.
Seriosly, some people need to stob beieving all the shit they see on tv...
The government isnt your friend! If they tell you the whole truth, they cant control you! Dont let them control you! Hippie moment
>>11 I thought the thing about red meat causing cancer was because it's high in vitamin B3, and everyone was panicking because vitamin B3 (also known as nicerbic acid) is related to nicotine...bear in mind that if you judge by genes, humans are related to bananas.
"humans are related to bananas." - Quoted and added to facebook.
And im not judging by genes. ALthough, now you mention it, The molecule THC (Cannabis) (The part that gets you high) Interacts with our (Human) Genetic code unlike any other species. There is literally a missing block in out DNA, and the THC molecule slides in like a lubed up carrot.
But yeah, people need to calm the fuck down and actually look at the facts for a change. Just listening to whatever the TV says is leading us, as a species, down the proverbial drain.
Nicotine and Alchohol. Two of the worst out there :P
I dran a bottle of whiskey today, and freely admit that im addicted to tobacco. So when i say that these substances are evil, i say it sincerely. However, illegal was never really a problem for me, so what do i care..
Like RayRay I have no problem with people doing drugs, as long as it's done in the safest possible way.
I myself am a heavy smoker, quite a heavy drinker and there are very few drugs I have not sampled. Though I shall make it clear now, I have never taken drugs intravenously.
As long as the individual makes an informed choice to take drugs, I don't see the problem. If they're not forcing you, or anyone else, it's not done in an environment where children wont be influenced or affected and they don't hurt anyone else - why is that an issue?
Live and let live, with a generation of youth that want to grow up to be "rock stars" (using the term loosely) it's inevitable that drug taking with occur. What's a gram of coke or an ecstasy tablet amongst friends?
>>11 that's not the point, obviously coke is more dangerous than weed a LOT more dangerous but weed can still be dangerous and coke can still be used safely
>"You might have thought that bitch was dead, but in bout half an hour, he gunna wake up, hungry enough to eat half the food in yo house!"
if only this forum had a sig function...
I only have a problem with doing drugs when they've got no sense of moderation or responsibility, if you can't handle it don't do it, you're just fucking it up for the rest of us
on an unrelated note, anyone else notice the amount of serious discussion threads recently?
@18-Moonphase has been starting most of them. They've all bored me to death, hence my lack of participation.
I hate cigarettes, alcohol, and all illegal drugs. From the looks of things, Harbinger's hooked on weed. The arguments here are awful; do your research.
If I had my way, cigarettes and alcohol would be illegal. The only reason they ARE legal is money. Be glad I'm not in charge.
Hmm, I see what people are saying by the 'live and let live' mentality. But I suppose that's easier if its among your friends, I imagine it would be harder to take that stance if a family member was doing drugs, even the lighter ones...
I am of the opinion people can do whatever stupid stuff they want, so long as it affects only them.
Which unfortunately, is not the case most of the time.
I'd be all for a ban on smoking in all public places not just indoors - I'm sick and tired of being stuck walking behind a smoker puffing their smoke behind them and into my face - especially when I get a bad reaction to cigarette smoke. I try and get in front of them or move away somehow, but I don't see why I should be the one to change my direction for someone's selfish need for nicotine. Also, I hate being at a bus stop, waiting to get the bus I need to take home, and being stuck in cigarette smoke. If you want to slowly kill yourself with cigarrettes please do it in your own home/garden/in a room full of other smokers. Or when there is no-one around to breath in the second hand smoke.
Alcohol health-wise affects only the drinker's body, however if someone gets drunk it affects the people around them. Fights, noise late at night, vomiting all over the place and being a general nuisance is not nice for other people to deal with. I wish people would learn to drink moderately...
Cannabis - the same as smoking, do it where it doesn't affect those who choose not to use it. I understand it is used for health purposes, and is legal in some places. If you want to do it, fine, just don't be selfish and force others to breath in chemicals, k? There are enough bad fumes in the air with pollution as is.
Other "harder" drugs - well apart from the fact that they could kill you, and that would hurt your family, there is the fact that dangerous addictions to these more expensive drugs often lead to crime to get the cash. Not saying that smokers or drinks don't steal to fund their addictions, but it all gets a bit more desperate in the case of the harder drugs. They ruins lives - my mum's cousin is in a right state after battling a heroine addiction. He's been in prison several times, and it has left his mother broken hearted at how he has become.
What are the benefits of these anyway? You fund the opium farms run by terrorists in Afganistan? I can't think of any good reason for these drugs to exist since they only destroy.
So yeah, drugs are fine if you want to be selfish. I just ask people to be a little more considerate towards the feelings of others. There are plenty of reasons why people do drugs of any kind - but if you ask yourself why you are doing them and can you get the same, or a similar effect by doing something less damaging to your health, then maybe you should reconsider?
I dunno. I apologise for ranting. The subject of drugs always get me riled up, because I don't know what goes through people's heads when they take them.
Your "rant" about smoking is exactly what winds me up about this country. Non-smokers and the government forced us outside on to pavements and I'm sorry, but I have NO control of the wind, the smoke is going to blow around me, it may in fact blow into your face. But please, do not huff and groan and stamp your feet behind me because of "second hand smoke" I will change my angle and make sure you get hit with a blast of carcinogens. Also do not brush past me or shoulder barge me, you will get burnt because of the height I hold my cigarette.
In general I am a polite smoker, I will stand away from people while smoking outside, I never smoke in bus shelters, near pregnant mothers or children, but if you arrive and stand next to me only to start huffing and muttering, you are fair game and ignorant.
>>22 I will agree with >>21 here
because smoking it is really disturbing for non-smokers nostrils, it is not about fair game or ignorance, and you might say that you are a polite smoker but as long as you smoke in public your smoke invading someone else's space. no you can't control wind but that's your problem not the non-smoker's one. because I like to walk on the street and don't have smoke blowing on my face out of nowhere, or standing in the bus stop and can actually breathe. and you might be careful and not smoking at the bus stop but most smokers do, and believe me I live in a Country where the non-smokers are minority. And I am not one of those non-smokers that go and make lectures about it, I just have enough of smoke in my life, I'll certainly die long before a smoker would, because from my own house[very heavy smoker father] to schools[teachers sometimes smoked even in the classroom, at breaks, everyone student was smoking] at the university, the non-smokers [like 10 ppl out of the 500 students] we end up outside the cafeteria during the winder because the cafeteria was full of smokers.
so NO there is no fair game, you smoke then go and close yourself in a room and smoke as much as you want, as long as you bring your smoke in the public, you'll have me bitching about it.
You obviously live in different circumstances. Smokers are not allowed to smoke in a public building in the UK. We are also not allowed to smoke within 5 metres of schools, university's or offices. And we are not to smoke on railway platforms, or inside bus shelters.
We have the street and the park. Why the hell should I give up my FREEDOM to make the choice to smoke OUTSIDE, in the dingest corner of the street because some people do not like it? You have legs don't you? You can walk somewhere else, or go into one of the many buildings I cannot enter with a cigarette. You could even try and be polite and ask me to put it out, or you could look at the way the smoke is blowing and walk up wind of it? It's really not all that difficult to avoid it.
Do not rant and rave at me, I have put cigarettes out due to POLITE people asking me. A young woman asked me just a few days ago if I wouldn't mind putting out my cigarette because her elderly mother wanted to sit on the bench I was on. I did so, because she was polite, she didn't make a fuss and cough and splutter like a fool.
So, in conclusion, as long as I am forced to smoke on the street, I'll bitch about those people who don't want me to.
>>24 I do live in different country, and I'm fed up [as I said] with all smokers. I don't cough or go around smokers either, neither talk to them or ask them to put it out, because here it is pointless, i would have them bitch on me so i avoid it.
you are a gentle person that's why you put out your cigarette when you are asked to do so. if you would speaking loudly and someone would asked you politely to speak in lower voice you would also do.
as for your FREEDOM, sorry my friend but it stops being your freedom when it effects others' health. it is not about i like or dislike smoke, it is the fact that I simply CAN'T breathe around smoke.
my rant wasn't about you, it was about smokers in general
anyway as long you choose to smoke you have to accept the consequences, that might be my rants for moment and even more strict laws in the future.
>You have legs don't you? You can walk somewhere else...
that reminds me the discussion with a smoker I had once, about "why should she go outside and smoke and not having the non-smokers go outside instead" we were minority anyway. she was ranting about how non-smokers should walk away from a place if they were annoyed by the smoke.
I don't agree that because you are the minority as a non-smoker than you should be forced to go somewhere else. We are all aware of the dangers of smoking.
I do not intentionally force my unhealthy habits on to other people; like I say - I can't control the wind, and if you brush past me or walk too close you're gonna get a mouthful. Such is life.
But if like the majority of us on the board, you are UK citizen, you have a vast choice of places to go that a smoker can not follow you into, but you have to remember, it is an addiction, it is a lifestyle choice. I wouldn't turn my nose up at someone because they have their coffee black, so I'd like it if people didn't turn their nose up at me, because that's the way I like my lungs.
Smoking doesn't bother me too much, especially when the laws came in (I gotta admit I am grateful to them.) Kids who do weed on the back of the bus, now that really annoys me. It smells disgusting and because its on a bus, people are stuck with the stench.
Coffee drinking=/= smoking, because coffee drinking doesn't affect anyone else. Smoking damages people's health, including people who DON'T SMOKE. It is that simple. If you want to continue your disgusting habit, HoldenCaulfield, fine, but you can do it in your own house, and not in the street where other people have to put up with it. I also doubt that non-smokers are the minority.
There are certain benefits to drinking alcohol. Name one for smoking. Note that easing the stress caused by the psychological dependancy on the drug DOES NOT COUNT.
Your argument, Holdencaulfield, is the most selfish thing I have ever read in my life:
'Why can't I just do whatever the hell I want all the time? So what if it hurts other people? THEY should make allowances for ME because I want to damage myself and everything around me. Why should I take anyone else's needs into account? The universe revolves around ME. So shut up, all of you, let me shorten YOUR life-expectancy in peace, let me trigger YOUR asthma attacks, let me pollute YOUR atmosphere and, again, shut up, because you can always WALK SOMEWHERE ELSE.'
No, Holdencaulfield. You can walk somewhere else, and you can take your cigarettes with you.
Please note that when I referred to non smokers as a minority it was in direct reply, and a direct quote. I count smokers as a minority in the UK.
Nicotine has been proven in many studies to benefit the concentration of those between the ages of 17 - 28. That is a benefit if I have ever heard one.
Also, I did walk somewhere else. I leave shops, pubs, clubs, restaurants. I walk at least 5 metres down the street as to not blow smoke it other patrons faces. I rarely throw my cigarette butt on the street and I will never exhale on to passersby.
And please, do not tell me I am selfish. Your small interpretation of my argument is childish and pathetic. Non-smokers are just as bias as smokers. And I have said on numerous occasions that I do not INTENTIONALLY inflict others with my unhealthy habits. Do not call my habit disgusting, that is a matter of opinion. Also, the atmosphere is more polluted by transport and factories than it is by anything else. Do you use a car? Then you're damaging my lungs as well as all of the non-smokers your represent.
Instead of being angry about smokers maybe you should try standing in the cold and being glared at for a perfectly legal habit. At least I'm not begging you for money to shoot up, or being sick on your shoes because I've drank too much beer. I'm relaxing, enjoying my cigarette and trying my damnest not to breath it on people like you.
@HC- With regards to the 'minority' quote, fair enough.
Nicotine=/=smoking. 'Rarely' throwing cigarette butts =/= 'never' throwing cigarette butts.
I'm saying that you're selfish because you are selfish. As for pathetic arguments, saying 'well, I do something bad, but at least it's not as bad as insert another equally detestable habit here' certainly qualifies as one. Also, what does being 'biased' have to do with anything?
Please explain to me how filling your lungs with SMOKE and then blowing that smoke out into the atmosphere is not disgusting. I wish to be enlightened.
I don't drive, as it happens. The use of cars =/= smoking, anyway, as cars provide many benefits. The fact that you need to use false comparisons to justify your habit says a lot about it.
Why should I have to stand in the cold when I already have to put up with cigarette smoke? As I've said, if I was in power, smoking would NOT be 'a perfectly legal habit'. I would also much rather it if you begged me for money to shoot up than smoked at my bus stop.
As nicotine is the addictive substance and the active ingredient of all tobacco nicotine does in fact equal smoking. This is the drugs discussion. Lets try and be vaguely on topic.
I don't find smoking disgusting. As I said, it is a matter of opinion. In fact I would go as far to say that I LOVE smoking, everything about it, from the relaxing feeling, the sensual appearence, the way it sits in your fingerrs, down to the damage that it does to my lungs and the increased risk of cancer. There is very little in this world that would make me stop smoking completely.
You seem unable to view this argument as anything other than black and white. I understand that people do not want to be in a confined space with smokers, in fact, I whole heartedly agree that it shouldn't happen. But I do not see why I or any other smokers should be victimised because we do something that you don't agree with.
You do not own the PUBLIC place, it is public as I have as much right to be there as you, exercising my rights, which include, smoking. If your bus stop is not sheltered, there is nothing you can do about smokers.
Also, smoking will never be criminalised as it is a main source of tax money, along with alcohol.
THANK YOU.
>>29 I think the diffrence is though transport and factories acctually have a purpose.They make important things or take us places we need to go.
There is one thing that is a bit irratating with smoking and thats the strain on the health service. If your going to smoke badly at least pay for the treatment of the problems it creates.
The same can be said about those who are obese due to their own gluttony, those who get liver damange from drinking too much or damage their body through drug use.
>>36
I know and I think the same should be applied to problems created from being over weight, liver damage and drug abuse. Especially when they've been warned before. If you think about all the problems that is created from these things and the money spent on it that can be spent on more useful things it's scary.
I agree, the amount of money spent on people who create their own problems in unfair. I am of the same opinion of RayRay; it would be my fault. Some who hasn't inflicted themselves deserves the funding for treatment over me.
You can get nicotine in ways other than smoking. Again, a poor argument.
Are you going to come up with any points to counteract mine that rely on actual evidence rather than whiny ranting? You're right, bus stops are PUBLIC places. So what the hell gives you the right to damage the health of people waiting at them? Why don't I buy a dog and let it excrete on the pavement? It's less damaging than smoking, and the pavement is a public place.
I don't blame your friends for sitting on the other side of the room, Rayray. If you were in a situation where the alternative was breathing in a substance that smelled foul and damaged your lungs, you'd be mad to pick the latter.
The obese also put a strain on the NHS, yes. The difference is that, as I have already said, THEY ARE NOT HURTING OTHERS. Alcohol, in moderation, can benefit one's health, whereas cigarettes most certainly don't.
How else can you get nicotine other than via tobacco based substances? Please, enlighten me.
Maybe if you weren't so far up your own arse smokers wouldn't breath smoke on your constantly. You are the reason that smokers still smoke in bus shelters, will be rude and give people a piece of their mind. If you were polite, you would realise that most of us understand and would happily move, or even put out our cigarettes.
Obesity does hurt others, as does alcoholism, it strains the NHS funding, there are people who deserve the funding more than alcoholics and the obese.
Alcohol is, in moderation, beneficial. But do you really drink to the right moderation? And do you really drink the things that are recommended?
Do you live a day in your life? Or do you sit at home worrying about your liver and lungs all day long, preaching at people at bus stops?
Jesus christ some people are so far up thier own arses im surprised they can see the light of day...
At the end of the day, i dont particularly think people should be allowed to walk slowly in front of me in the high street. However, instead of getting my knickers in a twist and getting my metaphorical nails out, i take the time to move around them.
People have alot of habits that annoy others. Unfortunatly, you cant control other peoples lives, and if your own life is so sad that all you can do is moan and complain about others, well, theres your problem right there. Go out, meet friends, get laid, and enjoy your life. You'll find that when you do these things, the fact that theres some guy a few meters away having a fag wont actually bother you any more.
And i cant remember where, but i read sombody saying i was "Hooked on weed".
Allow me to pause and laugh before i correct you.
There is no addictive substance in Marijuana. Yes, you can become Psychologically dependant on the substance, and this affects around 1 in 10 people. I personally have never thought "I need a spliff"
I wouldnt view Cannabis as a addiction to anybody, except those who have become so dependant on it that they cant function without it. To me; And most people, it is more of a hobby. Somthing to do to pass time, and enjoy yourself, like any other hobby. Footballers play football all the time, but you wouldnt say they are addicted. They just happen to enjoy the feeling it gives them. Everybody in life enjoys different things. Some enjoy tv, some fanfiction, and some enjoy cannabis.
And for crying out loud, if you dont like drugs or smoking, i have no problem with you voicing your opinions, until you start getting this massive "Holyer than thou" thing going on. If your so opposed to it, fuck off, this thread clearly isnt for you. I didnt come online to argue with stubborn, set in thier way retards. I came to discuss a topic. So if you cant discuss it like an adult, refer to above, and take a hike.
Thank you, this was so well said; I think I may have tried to high five my screen.
And in reply to your "hooked on weed" discussion, that is laughable. Though I have known people in the past that I would view as psychologically dependant on THC. It's quite obvious, and definitely not a hobby.
>>41 "Obesity does hurt others"
Damn right. Ever had a fat person sit on you? Ever had a fat person PUNCH you? They may not have muscle, but they damn well make up for it in sheer weight. Getting hit by a 5 kilo fist is not fun.
And >>40 Why should we have to go out of our way not to smoke on you? Smoking is nice, it feels good, and the patches, or the shitty inhalers, really dont do the trick. If you dont want to be near it, fuck off to the other side of the road, or go out of your way to stand away from it. Most people couldnt actually care less if, while walking down the street, some bloke is smoking. Take your bloody panties off and grow a pair, you whiney little bitch.
I think I've found my new best friend.
And patches are awful. The whole act of smoking is the best bit, am I right?
>>47 Tru dat. Smoking is almost as good as sex. But then, whats sex without a fag after? xD
>>47 thank you for making my opinion about smokers even stronger!
>>52 your answer is in your own reply, and no it is not the think that you like to smoke or dislike patches, I never claimed that i dislike smokers neither their habit. I dislike the law that doesn't protect me, and also I dislike behaviors not ppl.
you can see how another smoker behaves in the above posts to understand were my argument stand and why I stopped it when I stopped it.
If I don't make sense it's okay, someday i might get some fuck and have some "life" and I won't "moan like a virgin getting a blowjob" anymore.
Harbinger of Doom's reply wasn't aimed at you. Compared to "..." you have much more of a reason to complain. Being a non smoker in a room full of smokers is probably horrible. Luckily it's never happened to me, but even if I smoke indoors after a while it gets a bit muggy.
You also don't preach.
oh wow this thread got pretty big, what did I miss?
>>55
HoD posts [all of them] were aimed to non-smokers not just "..."
except if HoD says otherwise.
I am personally smoking others' smoke since the day I was born, even the doc who put me out of my mother's womb was smoking [1984 there were no laws about smoking in my country], my fucking father was always smoking in the house, but that was because he doesn't fucking know the meaning of "respect you wife and kids" not because he was a smoker [he just cut it 3 months ago after 50 years] I didn't chose to stay in that house as a kid, and I couldn't complain either, school the fucking same teacher's were smoking during class, then classmates were smoking all over the school[classrooms, toilets, halls, outside] so basically there was no place to stay without smoke around. university exactly the fucking same. lets not talk about cafeterias, clubs, bars etc. so yeah I do have a fucking reason to complain. as I said before you have a right to do whatever the fuck you want to do with your body and mind, i don't give a shit, but non of the smoker has the right to play with my own heath, that's the only thing I'm actually bitching about
holy shit I really did miss a lot, are we still discussing or are we onto bitching now?
>>58
That's a horrible experience you must have felt, but I agree with RayRay that HoD's comments were directed at Ellipsis. I suppose that non-smokers in the UK are lucky, we have laws in place, but that is no reason to swear every other word about your country and upbringing. We smokers are complaining that even when we've been shunned into the cold night air we are still attacked for our choices.
>>60
Discussing with a mixture of bitching.
Generally it's the smokers vs the non-smokers.
oh cool
Ah, I love this thread. I tell people that their habits are harming others, and I get told that I'm stuck up, whiny, and holier than thou. Heh.
The way the smokers on this thread are behaving sums things up better than I ever could. You have proven yourselves to be just as selfish and antisocial as I originally stated. Read over your comments. Then read over them again. Now find a place where I have resorted to childish namecalling, false comparisons and personal attacks. To put it mildly, you've made yourselves look laughable.
As for weed, I'm well aware that it is a psychological addiction rather than a physical one. That's still being hooked.
Lmao, i dont hate all non smokers, dont take my meanness as a general sweeping insult to everybody who doesnt want tarry black lungs. (I happen to love it, but thats just me. Mmmm tar... [: )
Thanks for the epic defense of who i ws insulting guys xD
It does seem somhow righteous that the drug of discussion is possibly one of the most harmful and addictive (And common) Drugs known to man.
And yet I repeatedly agreed with you, and it's quite obvious that we're not antisocial.
At least we didn't tar every non-smoker with the same brush. Others on this thread are able to have an informed and opinionated discussion without telling all the smokers that they are WRONG. I do not deny that I attacked you personal, because, to put it midly, you seem like the most boring, narrow minded person I've met.
People have the right to be gay, any religion that they want, vegetarian, etc etc. but I can't smoke? Would you tell someone at the bus stop that the kebab they were eating was polluting your nostrils? No. I doubt that you would.
Their kebab isn't causing others lung cancer.
>>63 "Read over your comments. Then read over them again."
Uh... im actually kind of busy... i mean, i have a life, and reading over all those comments that I wrote would be kind of a waste of time... i mean... i wrote them. i know what they say... And this is me not actually caring.
I do find your sweeping generalisation of smokers as Arrogant pricks highly amusing, however. Because, anybody who smokes must be a total asshole...
I could make the same generalisation about non smokers. But i wont, because im not that... well, stupid.
Yes, to you it would seem as though all smokers are assholes. This is probably because you are rude to us. I think you'll find that if you walk up to anybody and start abusing them because of somthing they do, they will start being a total ass to you. Try being nice, and polite, as you would to a non smoker, and you'll find us to be normal, polite, and brutally victimised people.
>>66 I bet it would if you tried to inhale it...
@67- How strange... you're making up quotes for me and then challenging me on them...
Find me a place where I called all smokers @ssholes, or arrogant pr1cks. Go on. Find it.
And neither is my smoke. You just assume it is. Yes, second hand smoke has been proven to have links, but you'd literally have to be stood with me blowing smoke down your throat for it to affect you greatly. It wafting past you on a gentle breeze wont do shit.
Deal with it.
And if it's issues because of school/uni/work, that's your lifestyle CHOICE, and smoking is ours.
>>68
Known fact that Kebab's are carcinogenic.
Actually i never quoted you saying that. I quoted you saying "Read over your comments. Then read over them again."
Notice the quotation marks. See them? That means quote. I never quoted you calling smokers assholes, or arrogant pricks. But thats the general impression your giving off. Jeez, pull your thumb out.
why are we talking about smokers and non-smokers as if they're enemies?
Is it wrong that i really enjoy it when people try to have a go? xD
>>73
Arguing is good for the soul, and the vocabulary.
It's even better when you're smoking while arguing about smoking.
>>72 I dont know. I mean, about 50% of my mates dont smoke... I never said i hate non smokers, its just these arrogant assholes coming online and hating on us... I dont have a go at you for not smoking, so leave us the hell alone!
People like you, "..." were the cause of world war 2. You dont like somthing sombody does, so you hate on everybody who does it. Anybody else reminded of hitler and the jews?
If things carry on like this, they'll be rounding up the smokers into concentration camps, and we'll have to rely on Russia to save us...
"I do find your sweeping generalisation of smokers as Arrogant pricks highly amusing, however. Because, anybody who smokes must be a total asshole..."
You stated that I made that generalisation. I did not. If you wish to put words into my mouth to try and make yourself look better, go right ahead, but you ought to know that it's having the opposite effect.
I have said that smoking is a horrible habit, and I have given evidence to back this viewpoint up. Others, unable to form a decent opposing argument, have resorted to petty namecalling.
Very well. I have some questions for you:
Why shouldn't I drop my litter in the countryside? I should have the FREEDOM to drop it wherever I like!
Why shouldn't people park their cars on the pavement? They should have the FREEDOM to park them wherever they like!
Why shouldn't people masturbate in public? Other people don't HAVE to look! They can always go somewhere else!
Maybe now you'll see why I don't accept this as a decent argument. Please, come up with a better one. I don't need any less faith in humanity.
The difference is all the thing you've listed are ILLEGAL, so you don't have the FREEDOM.
The difference is all the thing you've listed are ILLEGAL, so you don't have the FREEDOM.
>>79 if you're going to pay tax on dropping litter then by all means do it, that money will do a lot more good than just cleaning up your mess too
"Why shouldn't I drop my litter in the countryside? I should have the FREEDOM to drop it wherever I like!"
Go ahead, i couldnt give a living shit.
"Why shouldn't people park their cars on the pavement? They should have the FREEDOM to park them wherever they like!"
Because cars arnt people... jesus if your going to compare cars to people, you must have some serious relationship problems...
Why shouldn't people masturbate in public? Other people don't HAVE to look! They can always go somewhere else!
Hey man, whatever gets you off...
@81- So you have absolutely no moral objection, it's just the illegality that bothers you. Well, by that argument, Harbinger should be fine with all of them. Somehow, I doubt that, although who knows?
'"Why shouldn't people park their cars on the pavement? They should have the FREEDOM to park them wherever they like!"
Because cars arnt people... jesus if your going to compare cars to people, you must have some serious relationship problems...'
Yes. Because that made sense.
And its not like i do everything thats illegal... i do see the points in some laws, however some rules i feel can be broken.
>>86 Your the one comparing cars on pavements to smokers, mate.
I have no moral objection to anything and I care very little for the laws governing the majority of our lives in this country. Live and let live. Just don't do it to the point where other people are caused mental anguish. If you want to masterbate in public for money fine, but don't do it in front of kids playground, and similar.
So maybe if you took a step back at the bus stop next week, you'd realise that the smokers aren't out to get you and give you cancer, they're just getting on with their lives and making different choices. And if it's bothering you, just be polite and stop being a dick about it.
@88- Dear me...
The smokers are the DRIVERS. It is not difficult...
I give up. Even the simplest of analogies are beyond your comprehension. I'll open this topic another time, maybe, on another forum, where people can understand the difference between debating a subject and attacking the people posting. I'll pick a forum where people can read a simple sentence and interpret it without help.
As a final note, thanks to whoever it was that compared me to Hitler. You really outdid yourself there.
>>90 cool...
so anyone get the new gorillaz albumm today?
>>90 Yes... because only smokers are allowed to drive in this country...
And that would be me. Always happy to oblige ;)
Jog on.
Listened to it on Spotify, what an amazing range of featured artist. It's a good 'un.
So... we've discussed tobacco... I think we should discuss one we can all (I hope) hate on. Methadrone.
Thats convenient. They're the same drug. xD People just spell it differently.
methadrone's just fucked up mdma right?
No. Much worse. Havnt tried MD yet, (Sad to say i've done Meph, hence the righteous hatred) But when i do i'll get back to you.
And Mephedrone shares some of the same chemical structure as Crystal meth.
Dont take it. Dont let friends take it. Boycott the fuck out of that stuff.
I dont see how weeds illegal when theres shit like that out there...
I thought Mephedrone was the one all the little kiddies were doing now. Cheaper than MDMA but the same affect?
MDMA is heavenly. I've done Meph too, and it may have been the worst come down I have ever had in my whole entire life.
The young kids in my area take it a lot because it's cheap, but apparently, exceedingly addictive.
FFS i just wrote a massive post on Mephedrone and its effects and Fanbbs called it spam and didnt post. FUCK YOU!!!
But yeah. Worst comedown sums it up.
And the constant need for "Another line..."
Oh yeah, it's the worst.
Like coke, coke is moreish as fuck.
Havnt done coke, its on my list of "Only if theres nothing else around" Drugs. xD
If you tried Ketamine, it can be pretty moreish. Fortunatly you have another line, K-hole, and cant physically have anymore for an hour or so xD
Do you want to know what really, really isn't fun? Asthma attacks caused by cigarette smoke. You're standing there wheezing, and the air your trying to pull in is repulsive. Truly, truly disgusting.
... Dont smoke then...?
I don't want to sound rude but I'm going to. I don't get how you know it's dangerous and your not exactly sure what it is yet you take it. Drugs aren't fun they screw you up. You don't know whats in it you can be taking something deadly.The dose's are diffrent so a small amount with one person might be a huge dose with another that looks the same. There illegal for a reason and HoldenCaulifield how can you be against fat people recieving help on the NHS yet your willing to mess with your own health and get everyone else to pay for it when it goes wrong.
I've never gone to the hospital with a drug/smoking/alcohol related complaint. I'm not a disgusting lout who has to have their stomach pumped or puts my fist through windows because it's hilarious.
I've already stated I wouldn't take help from the NHS if I develop an illness related to any of these things. That's what private health care is for.
And actually, there are only three drugs that are statistically more dangerous and addictive than nicotine; that's cocaine, heroin and alcohol.
If you drink; you're taking a drug that is on par with class A substances.
Also this thread is as Harbringer stated; an open, intelligent discussion.
Please don't mother me, or lecture me. Thanks.
No it's not. With drink you know whats in it it's regulated. Drugs you don't know whats in it you could be putting anything into your body and really I have to say if you took a bad reaction and ended up collapsing. I doubt you would be refusing the immediate health care needed to save your life taking up valuble time that could be spent helping someone who hurt themselves with a legitamite cause.
Also drugs are illegial you shouldn't break the law.
>>112 Id like to shove Drone up their in the most addictive...
I'm sorry if it seems that I'm mothering you or lecturing you. But it's my opinion just because I don't agree doesn't make me stupid.
If you read the research you'd realise that more people overdose, die and break the law while intoxicated on alcohol.
Drug use is illegal, and it is for a reason, but if you are sensible, do it in a controlled environment where you are safe and out of harms way, you wont have a bad reaction.
I know one person who had a bad reaction, they were one of the few people in the world who are allergic to the active ingredient in ectasy tablets.
Controlled enviroment or not it's still dangerous. It wouldn't be banned if it wasn't.
Because the alcohol clouds there senses not because the alchol itself kills them like drugs.
>>114 Also drugs are illegial you shouldn't break the law.
Have you obeyed every songle law ever, never breaking one in your life? No. Im pretty sure you've sworn in public, littered, or done somthing that would be constituted as illegal.
The law, well... its more a set of guidelines.
And im sorry, since when did you take possesion of my body? If i want to shove pills up my arse i damned well will! (I dont shove pills up my arse. Example, thats all)
And the NHS is there to look after us. There will always be idiots who take just one line too much, or decide to take just one more pill, and OD, because they didnt understand what it would do. The NHS is there to protect these people, as well as those with "LegitAmite" reasons.
And please, dont go spouting crap that drink is safer than drugs. Its really not. Its just as bad if not worse.
>>118 And yes, alchohol can kill. Ever heard of Alchohol poisoning? Theres a reason they pump your stomach at A&E, and its not just to make you feel better. The only reason Booze is legal is because the government can tax it. Same with tobacco.
>>120 Steal my next argument why don't you?
In short, if the government were serious about "the war on drugs" they would make tobacco and alcohol illegal also, but they're not.
Even government advisors have argued the corner of legalising cannabis.
This is a direct quote from an American investigation into drugs, and their harmful effects: "It is estimated that tobacco causes 40 percent of all hospital illnesses, while alcohol is involved in more than 50 percent of all visits to hospital emergency rooms. In light of these statistics, the authors of this study question why alcohol and tobacco are legal to use within current drug policies for Britain and the United States, while less harmful drugs like ecstasy and LSD are deemed illegal to use."
I do not condone drug use in public places, or children using drugs, but I am an adult, and should be allowed to make my own decisions.
The law is not basically guidelines. Attitudes like that cause trouble. respect the law it protectsd us.Also swearing in public isn't illegal and it's not on par with drug abuse anyway.
The NHS is meant to provide health care not look after us. People pay taxes to keep it running just for it to be abused by people taking drugs. You don't know when one pill is too much because every dose is diffrent. I never said drink is safer than drugs. I said some of the deaths were caused by being drunk from alcohol and the way things are going drink will probably be banned or at least heavily restricted in the next 20 years.
LSD and ectasy are not safe
Actually LSD is pretty mellow
Plus its never killed anybody
smokers pay for their hospital beds (tax)
>>123 for drugs they're pretty safe
It has been proven. Stop ignoring FACT. Ectasy and LSD are safter than LEGAL drugs.
And swearing in public comes under the public nusiance act, and is in fact, illegal.
And the NHS is payed for by taxes, taxes I pay a lot of, I also pay my taxes for people to go on the dole, and to stay in education. I resent having to pay for people on the dole, but I'd never tell them they couldn't or that the money could be used better, we live in a free socialist society, be thankful that if the guy in the hospital bed is cracked off his face and you've broken your arm neither of you have to pay for it directly. Muggins here, does.
Of course it has. People take bad trips and aren't in the right state of mind. There was someone here who took a bad trip and ended up jumping off a bridge because he belived he could fly. I know that contradicts what I said about alcohol but at least with alcohol you don't get that messed up and if you reach that state would hardly be able to move to do stuff like that.
really?
The active ingredient in LSD has never killed anyone.
The active ingredient in cannabis has never killed anyone.
The active ingredient in alcohol HAS killed people.
The actions that these active ingredients may influence you to preform, do.
That, dear, is the difference.
But what about the ingrediants that are mixed up with them have they ever killed anyone?
I haven't a clue, I am not a scientist, and have never been stupid enough to do drugs while drinking.
mixing booze and acid won't make much of a difference chemically
From what I've been taught and told it has. Confiscated drugs have been found to contain rat poision in extreme cases to bulk them up before selling. Drugs can contain anything.
cocaine, heroin, md basically anything in either powder or pill form gets cut with so much stuff it is hard to know what you're taking but for stuff like acid you won't get that
And so can cheap alcohol, food from restaurants and ready meals.
Funny I'm yet to hear off a ready meal that contains rat poision.
what does it matter anyway? the amount of arsenic you could ever find in drugs is so minimal it doesn't make a difference
I've found pieces of wooden pallets in my ready meal before. Yet, I haven't got that in my bag of weed.
Everything we eat, drink, inhale, and touch has got traces of something on it, or in it. It's very rare not to get something disgusting hidden in your food, just because it's not listed on the ingredients.
Yes, I will go along with your argument that people do bad things when on drugs, but that's the minority. I'm sure LASER and HoD are, like me, respectable citizens otherwise. I pay my taxes, I keep you in school, I keep to the right on the underground and I tip my taxi drivers.
I just like to smoke, drink and ocassionally indulge in recreational drug use. What's so wrong about that?
it's the stuff they give you at the doctors that you really have to worry about...
You can complain about that though if you go to a supermarket. I doubt you could complain about weed if it happened.
Whats wrong is that it breaks the law. How can people be protected and safe when people just think breaking it here and there won't matter. You don't know how your going to react to drugs that is dangerous. You also fund crinimals. Sure your dealer might not do that much but there'll be some-one higher up than him and that person will have a boss and when you reach the top you find it's all interlinking with other crimes. Lot's of people thinking well a little bit here and there won't hurt end up funding worse things. Like the big heroin factories in Afganistan owned by the taliban.
The stuff they give you at the docters is safe and legally obtained.
ever been on the recieving end of a contaminated batch of codiene phosphate? in hospital for a week
Then by your argument they should just legalise drugs, and have the mass produced. In fact, we could go to the doctors and have them prescribed to us. That way the government could tax them too, and there'd be more money to the government, thus lowering the deficit, we wouldn't be funding criminals, the doses would be regulated, drug related theft and crime would drop and it would be obtained from a safe, reliable source.
Why has no one suggested this before?!
I bet they were very apologetic about it though and sorted out that contaminated batch so no-one else could get sick. That sounds fairly rare and the majority of drugs they give you are safe.
no such thing as safe drugs, there's always a chance somebody fucked something up which in turn will fuck you up
That is a point but why would you want them perscibed. That would mean that the tax would provide no money because it would be spent on buying people drugs. Also it would become more widly available so more people would take it. More people getting ill off it and other health problems costing money making the country poorer. Theft and crime would then increase or stay the same because there wouldn't be enough money to pay for better schools e.t.c because people decided taking drugs for pleasure was better.
>>145 that's true but if you get some dodgy pills from a dealer or something it usually won't be too bad (usually headaches and such) but if the doctor tells you that "there was a problem with the medication" that's when you know it's bad. plus the stuff you can get from the doctors is a LOT stronger than garden variety heroin
Theres always a chance with everything but hospital drugs the chances have been reduced by regulations and taking samples in opposed to drug factories which don't have this.
The garden variety of heroin is just as bad if not worse because at the docters they know the dose and tell you how much to take and nothing else has been mixed up with it to bulk it up.
The money saved on policing the drug culture in this country would be used to PRODUCE said drugs, they would not be brought in from other countries, thus preventing the support of drug lords.
Drugs are very cheap to make, they're just sold at high prices. So having them prescribed to those who are 18 and over, as N.I.C.E would probably advise would mean that each prescription would cost £7.90 or upwards, taxable money right there.
As the prescription (as all are) would be based on weight and healthy doses, the need for hospitalisation due to drugs would drop considerably. Therefore the NHS would have more money to spend on buying equipment and life saving drugs. Theft and crime would drop as there would be less need to steal to get your next fix, the doctor would prescribe it.
Better schools, happier people.
Read a Brave New World - Soma is the way forward.
drugs produced legally are usually automated and on a large scale so it's harder to spot a mistake (granted it's harder to make a mistake as well) whereas illegal production has to be a lot more discrete which usually means smaller operations where it's not as easy to automate but it's easier to spot a mistake and at the end of the day you want to make a profit, you don't want customers ending up dead.
I'm trying to say that illegal drugs are in any way safer than legal/medical drugs, I'm merely saying that with drugs in general they're never going to be 100% safe no matter where you get it from
*I'm NOT trying to say
>>153
It's probably better that way.
We've moved on from smoking, now it's illegal drugs and their safety vs prescription drugs and their safety, plus the funding of drug lords and crime. Headache.
But what about production costs? Marketing? What about people who decide to make a bit more cash by selling it to minors? What about the drug dependant culture you could create? Would people become addicted? With addicted people in the country how would it be possible for us to move forward. If parents take it at home and is the norm kids will try it because they can easily reach it too. If people decide to speand more money on drugs rather than there wage then there would be an increase in crime because you need to up the doses to get the same hit you did to start with eventually you'd reach a point were you couldn't afford it so you would steal. With parents out of it kids would go hungry. There would be an increase in crime really. It wouldn't be happy at all it would be worse.
yeah I might just go now, catch up on this thread later
night night guize =D
You've just described the problem with alcohol.
You don't get alcohol on the NHS like you were saying drugs should be.
Which is even worse, because it doesn't have to have the same tight regulations.
I'm sorry, but I do not truely believe that drugs should be completely legalised, but you yourself, have pointed out all of the problems with alcohol, and and LASER has shown that prescriptive drugs are not as safe as they would seem. I do not deny that some people do awful things on drugs, but more people do awful things when drunk.
Everything in this life will damage you in some way or another, from eating unhealthy to snorting coke. It's a fact of life now; why not just enjoy yourself and let others do the same? Even if it's not in the same way.
Plus.
On the cannabis front.
Have you ever seen a bunch of men with spliffs beating the shit out of some poor bloke whos lieing on the floor bleeding?
Now reverse that image, and replace spliffs with bottles of beer.
erm I just want to apologise for how rude I was being. I was just in a really bad mindset at the time, which I know is no excuse,and looking through what I'd said I realised that I was being really offensive and closed off to your ideas. I've been thinking about what you guys said and it does make sense to legalise the more harmless drugs because that way you know what strength your buying which is safer. Just wanted to say sorry again. I should just stay away from these things when I'm in a mood and not take it out on strangers over the internet.
Haha its cool, i wasnt exactly offended, im used to arguements over the net.
Infact id go as far as to say i was enjoying it... xD
But im glad you came round to our point of view :P
by the argument put up, it makes me feel like alcohol should be banned, not slightly less dangerous drugs legalised...
If the Government were serious about 'the war on drugs' alcohol and tobacco would be banned.
>162
I wouldn't worry about it. You did not seem very offensive to me, just fighting your corner, which is good. I've read some really rude remarks on thisand other threads, and yours weren't among them. I think people would let you know if you were being rude.
>>165
very true. Problem is if they got rid of tobacco and alcohol, people would freak out (with anger that is, lol.)
They can ban other drugs because, (as far as I know) they are not as ingrained into our culture.
I mean, for years people thought smoking was good for you (why?) and alcohol...well...alcohol has been a staple of the British diet for centuries, lmao.
I find the idea of a stone cold sober Russia really intimidating...
There's been plenty of drama just trying to get them to drink a li'l bit less... Hmm, why IS alcohol such a massive problem in Russia? Well...actually its a problem in Britian too so lets scratch that question!
Of course, and the Government wont ever get rid of tobacco or alcohol because of the tax money.
I suppose people thought it was good for you because nicotine relaxes you, but it must be noted that America knew it was bad for you YEARS before they publicised the fact; tax once again.
I think alcohol is such a problem in Russia because they have a poor standard of living due to Communist rule.. thought that's a wild guess.
Oh no, not just the communists, first thing that sprang to mind after 'Russian reversal' when it was mentioned.
Oh yeah, I've heard some horror stories about people going missing, shacks in the woods and people not even leaving their house due to the mistreatment experienced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3x8-nlZ7aM&feature=fvhl
They're thinking of banning a 'legal' drug...
>>173 Good. If any of you have actually seen first hand what that drug can do to people then you'll understand why it should be illegal.
Having taken it myself, (And not just the once im ashamed to say) I can tell you its addictive and evil. I've seen friends noses literally become jelly-ish from taking too much of it. Really proves the point of why Cannabis should be legal. If it were legal, and drugs like Drone were illegal then people wouldnt have to resort to Mephedrone because thier dealer ran out of pot.
Seriously, you can by that shit in shops under the lable "Plant fertiliser" or "Shak-n-vac"
I did some research on MMC and found out that the recommended dosage per week is 0.5 grams, swallowed. I've done mephedrone before, and I know that it'll last you roughly 2 weeks a gram on that he you take it sparingly, for example a little enjoyment at the weekend.
It's stupidly addictive, and the comedown's a right bastard. Avoid it. If you do end up in a situation where you can take it, don't take a lot, make sure you're amongst GOOD friends who will take care of you and ignore the urge to have more. It's better for you in the long run.
I did some research on MMC and found out that the recommended dosage per week is 0.5 grams, swallowed. I've done mephedrone before, and I know that it'll last you roughly 2 weeks a gram on that he you take it sparingly, for example a little enjoyment at the weekend.
It's stupidly addictive, and the comedown's a right bastard. Avoid it. If you do end up in a situation where you can take it, don't take a lot, make sure you're amongst GOOD friends who will take care of you and ignore the urge to have more. It's better for you in the long run.
I did some research on MMC and found out that the recommended dosage per week is 0.5 grams, swallowed. I've done mephedrone before, and I know that it'll last you roughly 2 weeks a gram on that he you take it sparingly, for example a little enjoyment at the weekend.
It's stupidly addictive, and the comedown's a right bastard. Avoid it. If you do end up in a situation where you can take it, don't take a lot, make sure you're amongst GOOD friends who will take care of you and ignore the urge to have more. It's better for you in the long run.
The drugs debate with Russell Brand presenting...
There is a new legal drug coming to UK.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100331/twl-deadly-new-legal-drug-bound-for-brit-3fd0ae9.html
It's supposedly so deadly that with the first hit, you could suffer long-term brain damage. It is crazy on what the government believe is legal. I think all drugs should be illegal or needs a subscription from a doctor. But, I guess that won't stop you getting it from the black market or drug dealers...
>>178, they start with alcohol, then if recreational drugs lead to harder stuff, 'tough love' of family members, relapses,treament vs. criminalisation and rehab availability...
I saw this thread and went CRAZY!
I'm a first year pharmacy student and I'll be honest I don't like the classification on drugs used in this thread, a 'drug' is a term used to cover any medicinal product that has an effect on the body...any effect.
Not necessarily adverse ones
And did you know that in paliative care clinics (where people are dying) patients medication is often laced with cocaine or even heroine simply to rid them of the pain they're suffering.
I also don't believe that all drugs should be made illegal, doing so will push the trade underground leaving people unaware of the side effects and unaware of safe doses. Just like taking 30 paraceptamol tablets will kill you the day after you kill them, everything is lethal at a certain dose and it is up to the health associations to make what doses aren't lethal known.
Needle sharing and methodone clinics for example, they don't just hand out the needles to the substance abusers (NOT drug addicts, although heroine IS addictive), they also supply clean equipment such as spoons, tournecates (which I can't spell) and such like. And more often than not, they tell steroid users and heroine addicts how to inject safely, because otherwise they won't be in the next week.
The drugs debate is one that could last you a lifetime. The government feel pressure from the public while the Health associations don't get listened to, and when they do they get shot down, it's a farce.
Honestly though, you can't say if something should be illegal or legal because everyone reacts differently, and no one will ever win.
>>182 there are drugs that should definitely illegal because the amount of precautions needed to take them safely are just too impratical, but I agree with most of what you've said especially that banning drugs does not by any means get rid of the problems surrounding it
btw a 'drug' technically is any substance that has an effect on the body medicinal or not
>>174 people buy methadrone when they can't buy pot? would have thought there are better ways to get high when you're out of pot, I'm surprised painkillers aren't more popular among our age group
@182- Dangerous stuff, that 'paraceptamol'.