How many of you are tired of getting those "omg diz is so Kaw@11" reviews? What about those "update soon please" reviews? I'm so sick of them. Recently I put in my a/n of a story on FF. Net that I was leaving for the military next week and people are still like "omg can't what for the update!". I' like can you read? That is besides the point. Critics United is a band of people who know how to give a real and honest review that are coming together from different fandoms in order to help authors who want to know what to work on. We love assisting people who would like an honest opinion of their story and not only that, we are accepting members. We need people who are always honest in their reviews even if what they have to say about the story isn't positive. We we never tell you "you suck go die" of course, but some are a little harsher than others. We have a variety of review styles and we just enjoy helping people. Visit my forums on FF. Net (my name is DarkSacredJewelXoX, just search for me in the search engine) if you just want to talk, want someone to review your story, need a beta, or are interested in joining. We're growing by the day xD. My question to you all is: how do you review stories? Do you just say the positives and leave out anything you think might offend the author? Do you give praise when it's deserved and criticism where needed?
Another question: when you find a fic on FF. Net that's breaking the rules, do you report it? Critics United does; however, we review the story to offer advice on how to fix it first and let the author know what rules they are breaking. Sometimes the authors admit their mistakes and change them; other times they author lashes out. When that happens, we do report the story.
>>34 - You have a valid point, that you wonder who is going to listen to such a review, other then those with like mind. I look at it this way.
If enough people critisize the fanficer and let them know, hey... this isn't cool, it can definatly make a point. It would decrease the number of badfic out there because...
>>35 Thanks. But I'm too lazy to bother reviewing such stories, or even finish reading it all because they're so bad. I'll leave that to those are bothered to do so. On the other hand, fanfiction isn't extremely serious on what kind of content should be allowed or how good the writing is supposed to be. So it's not surprising that many mediocre fics exist, thus my frustration can't be wholly justified for the way badfics are created. And I don't see them stopping in the near future anyway.
But I really commend the fics which do show that decent effort and time has been put into them, and are not written for the sake of popularity and wish-fulfilment.
>>36 Well FF. Net is clear on what standards should be met. They are the basics, but often can make or break a story like proper grammar and spell checking. If I see a story, no matter how good the idea is, if it's riddled with mistakes, it's not a story I would want to follow. Finding your style takes practice and assistance from your readers (Who actually leave a real review)helps you know what to work on. Then of course practicing in school (if the person is still in school) helps with having advice too.
>>38 - I agree with you. I think that if nobody tells the bad writers that they need to improve, they have no incentive to do so. And if all they get is gushing praise, they are going to continue messing yp.
Exactly. When I first started, all I got was praise. I never thought I was doing anything wrong because of it, then I got a review saying I needed and editor and I was pissed. How dare this person tell me I need an editor when everyone else has given me such amazing praise? I don't see any mistakes anyway! Then later on down the line, I realized he was correct about what he said. I call that "noob writer syndrome". Not all the authors grow out of it unfortunately.
>>39 - I recently came across a Harry Potter fanfic where the first chapter, and the only chapter has about thirteen reviews of gushing praise. Me... well, I couldn't praise the fanfic at all, so... on this one I quoted the site quidelines, that not everyone will praise the work.
She's basically tossed Rowlings canon out for her own twisted version of Harry Potter and she said in her summary that the fanfic is going to have character bashing. Which was where I started my review, about how character bashing is not something a mature writer would do.
Loads of fun... not...
Hm, but if you notice, alot of the Fanfiction authors tend to bash a character just because they don't like said character which to me seems a little stupid. But it does, even if i have to admit it, make a good plot - device, if used well.
>>41 - I personally think that is a REALLY stupid reason to bash a character myself. People will argue that there is a major difference between actual character bashing, and actually pulling out a characters flaws and using it. Of course, I've also never seen a fanfic that openly admits to bashing the characters that has actually turned out well.
Me neither. I read alot and i mean ALOT of character bashing stories and they all suck. There was only like two that I liked but they're discontinued.
I dont' really read character bashing, because most of the time people just don't like character x for being "in the way" of y and z's relationship.
It's always good when a writer pulls out a person's flaws (that are acutally existent) and uses them effectively. Effectively being the key word. It gets a bit annoying when inexperienced writer emphasize a trait that is just barely there, though.
>>44 - If they aren't bashing for that reason, they're bashing because they dislke the character because they think they are boring, or because they think that they are a goody two shoes, are some other stupid reason.
Pulling out the flaws isn't bashing, someting newbie writers confuse.
See, my biggest problem with the Critics United is that some of your members have incredibly hostile profiles. I was being a total creeper reading a lot of them, I'm aware, but I did go through to see if your members could write decently before I asked for any help.
The sheer... hostility I got from some of the profile descriptions made me feel that some of your members were looking for a fight. One in particular read as if she was trying to make me mad; she offended me quite a bit in the way she handled a few topics and, though I agreed with her on some of her points, I felt that she was being controversial just to be controversial.
Which may be what I'm doing right now: being controversial just to be controversial. However, I wanted to give you a heads up. Talk to some of your members and ask them to tone it down a bit. Personally, I wouldn't mind being corrected. Heck, I might even ask you for help. But, and this is important, I don't want to get a review from a member of Critics United only to find that the reviewer is very blatantly attacking some of the things I like on their profile. Worse, I don't want to get a review only to find that the reviewer can't write very well and suffers from a misuse of commas (a lot of your reviewers seem to think that, when listing, you don't need a comma before 'and'. According to everyone I know, most with degrees on the matter, you do.)
I just wanted to point that out. I'm not trying to troll or offend anyone here. All I'm saying is that it seems like some of the reviewers are looking for a fight, if their profiles are anything to go by. If I were several years younger and hyped up on my kind of fanfiction, I'd totally dive into a flame war with one of your reviewers, just because I felt talked down to. That said, I'm sure others are actually doing it.
But otherwise, thanks for the willingness to post honest reviews. I do like it when people give my stories an actual review, telling me where I need to improve and what not. Your people are good about that, as my creeping has shown.
>>46 - That is actually a good point, truth be told. I am sure though every group runs into those kinds of people who are really doing it to push buttons on people.
@47
See, that's my problem with things like this. It's actually a very good idea- a lot of people of FFNet need the help. But when people do this kind of thing looking to get into it with somebody, I can't really trust the validity of the organization. And the truth is, there were a couple of members that were very obviously hoping to rile somebody up.
As a member of the group, I know who you are talking about. I know her quite well and though she can be a bit hostile and she holds her beliefs in certain things in FanFiction, she means no harm. She is actually quite helpful, as are the rest of the members. She is rarely ever hostile in her reviews and is in no way controversial just to be controversial. We respect the different reviewing styles of our members such as hers. I would say that nearly all (if not all) of our members, including her, are only hostile in reviews for those who have cussed out one of our members through PM over a non-threatening/condescending review, or trolls.
As for the grammar thing, we admit to not being perfect. Many believe that one cannot be a critic without being an expert, but we too are learning. Many of our members ask each other for critiques and help with areas they aren’t particularly skilled in. So though, some of us aren’t the epitome of good grammar and spelling, we try to improve as well. Because though we give constructive criticism, we too are author’s that are learning things as we go. We receive constructive criticism as well, that’s a reason many of us joined. I joined when the leader of the group gave me constructive criticism and it was so helpful that I wanted to do the same for other authors.
I understand your concerns and I know that they are legitimate and that you aren’t trying to offend anyone. I definitely can’t suggest that you haven’t done your homework before voicing them either. The main goal of the group is mainly to help authors and remove rule breaking stories. That’s really the shared goal of all our members, not to create controversy.
First off: thank you for referring to my creeping as 'doing my homework'. That made me feel considerably better about it, if I might say. XD
More seriously:
Your reply was very, very eloquently written and polite. Reading my first comment, I can see that I didn't garner quite so nice a response. Admittedly, I was snarking just to snark once or twice in there, for which I apologize. Though I hate saying 'needless to say', let me say it in this: you were not one of the members that I was referring to, in any way shape or form.
However, I do still stand by my earlier advice that someone talk to the member and ask her to tone it down. She's not helping Critics United's reputation with her profile content. Reading it, I felt talked down to (I'm seventeen; in no way do I appreciate being called a child by someone only a few years older than me), and, as I said earlier, I would have PM'd her something nasty were I younger and braver. Her profile made me seriously reconsider the validity of the group, especially in regards to any prejudices my fics might earn due to a member's prepossession in certain areas. In short: it was not user friendly and did nothing to further your cause.
I went too far with the grammar comment. I shouldn't have commented on that, I was just a little perturbed at the idea that someone might critique without the full qualifications they should have in regards to punctuation, etceteras. The idea that even the members of Critics United are trying to improve themselves is something I can respect and shouldn't have complained about.
Thank you for the nice response. As I said earlier, it was very nicely done. :)
I'm always glad to give criticism to other writers and ask a beta reader for help when I need it, but what's the point of joining? I mean, either you constructively criticize in reviews, or you don't. You don't have to join CU to be an informative reviewer. (I'm not making a point. I'm seriously asking that question. Answer please?)
No problem. I myself have creeped in plenty of forums.
Trust me, your comment was in no way the snarkiest I've dealt with. Your post voiced legitimate concerns with the group and I understand them.
Reading some of the profiles for the first time, I myself felt a bit talked down to. I fell into the categories of many of the things that were commented upon, but though it can be offensive, it’s really the individual’s personal opinion and not that of the group itself. Many have tried to tell them and the other more hostile members to tone it down, and very few have succeeded. They have their own way of reviewing and we've come to accept it. We just learn to accept the differences in reviewing styles, because in a way it does get the job done with some of the more hostile, “Holier than thou” types who think the rules do not apply to them. I understand how finding yourself offended by one of our members wouldn't give you the utmost confidence in our group as a whole.
Though I disagree with them on some points, I really have no right to tell them what to do. Many of our members that are a bit more harsh review that way because they realized that after submitting down right sweet, candy coated reviews, they still got the all too common, "Go eff urself u jerk. I dont hav an spelin erors."
One of the things that we specifically do is we try not to be biased in our reviews. Those who handle who reviews what story when it comes to requests take the preferences of other members into account when assigning someone. I would, for instance, probably be the first choice for a yaoi/slash story were someone to ask for help on it, because that is my area of expertise and I am perfectly fine with reading it.
We have dealt with angry people because of the members in question’s reviewing style, and all in all, it's really up to the individual member. The thing is that Critics United is not really an organization in which your reviewing style has to conform to a certain area in order to join. We really are a variety of critics all joined together to work to help improve the writing of other FanFiction authors and to remove rule breaking fics. We have no power over each other and we try to accept the style of that person.
We allow those requesting constructive criticism to request a specific member in order to help in case they don't like a certain member and don't want that person to review or they need a certain area of expertise. We don’t want to make anyone angry, but we can’t rightfully tell a member to do this or that.
I understand your concern with the grammar and I don’t fault you for it. Many people have taken a shot at some of our member’s grammar before, in a far harsher way. It makes sense that you would be a bit confused as to why someone who seems just as human as the one they’re critiquing to be giving advice when there is a fair amount of errors in their writing. But we try and though we all have a grasp of the English language, we all slip up here and there. I can respect your concern and like I said, I don’t find you at fault for it.
I simply hope that your distaste for the way some of our members operate doesn’t cause you to dislike the group in general.
>>51 Sorry, I didn't see your post before.
Well to join means that you have a bit of a support group in reporting the rule breakers that blatantly do so.
Critics United does serve a main goal of giving constructive criticism, through both reviews and betas which can be requested at the forum in the designated thread.
But there is also the purpose of removing rule breaking stories. When a lone critic does this, they can only report it so much. But if the author attacks the reviewer after being told that they are breaking the rules or continue to break the rules by continuing the story, the story's name can be posted and reported by the other members of the group, resulting in a quicker removal by the admins. We do this because the rules are there for a reason and the admins need to be informed of those that break them, so we work together to get these removed.
I suppose it doesn't seem like everyone's cup of tea to join a group to remove rule breakers and give constructive criticism, but we do it. Through joining you can be assigned to give constructive criticism and to beta stories the author has requested help on. We sort of function as a way to help authors and the site in a group setting in which we can help each other to reach that goal.
>>53 - Paricularly since LK just made the ability to report a fanfic a lot harder as ff.net has made the move to block things such as RB.
@52
I'm glad I wasn't too snarky. ^^, It would be somewhat hypocritical if I was being overly hostile in my complaints of someone else's hostility.
Oh, don't get me wrong- I respect what the CU is doing. I was just trying to point out that the lack of... politeness in some of the members' profiles makes the CU unapproachable. (e.g. I'm a struggling writer looking for help who decides to check out a profile of one of the members. After reading some of their comments, I decided not to ask for help because I feel as if the group will berate me rather than offer me advice.)
So long as someone's tried, I'm placated. I understand that the group has no control over its individual members and that I can't really expect their profiles to be censored. Knowing that someone has tried to correct the member is enough for me.
If reviewers reply the same way to both hostile and gentle methods, I can see why some of the reviewers would take a more hostile approach should their original, kinder approach have failed.
All that said, I respect what the group is trying to do, if not all the members' methods.
>>53 - I've recieved some death threats from people I've reviewed. If they hadn't deleted their fanfic, I would have reported it then and there. Tried making the excuse that they posted something they narated and let their nephew type up and he posetedbecause his nephew was so proud. I was like WHAT THE FUCK... I would NEVER have done something like that to a child.
hi i was wondering what happens when someone go too for in their reviews? what happen when they say something so offended that you the author wants to just quit and give up on their story?
hi i was wondering what happens when someone go too for in their reviews? what happen when they say something so offended that you the author wants to just quit and give up on their story?
hi i was wondering what happens when someone go too for in their reviews? what happen when they say something so offended that you the author wants to just quit and give up on their story?
>>57 -
When people don't listen... well, I know of one fanfic writer I completly went off on after reviewing a DOZEN of her fanfics telling her what she did wrong. I told her the honest truth. She was basically in the Toshiro/Momo ship for Bleach, writing rabid fanfics, and then she tried to cross into a pairing that is pracitcally canon as of the latest Bleach chapters, Gin/Rangiku. That pairing is a serius one and people there don't put up with badfic for that ship. She wasn't just way layed by me, but other people. Mine was the most negative simply because I had to tell her the truth. The summary excited me, and then I read the fanfic and became highly disapointed. I was simply going to leave a critique, but... I glanced at the author's name and found out it was her, and then had to flat out tell her, unless she took time to take critique and grow as a writer, I would never, ever expect anything good to come from her writing. Did I tell her to quit writing? No... but I did tell her that I was not putting up with her nonsense anymore. She basically fled to a fandom I don't know much about.
thank for ur advice its just that i wrote a story well started to and well after my first chap some people said some horible things about it i understand that my grammer had suck but i didnt really get time to prof read it and i was excited and well im really one of those people who have low self esteam and i guess thanks again
@57
I agree with Yemi Hikari on this. If the reviewer was being pointlessly mean or offensive, ignore them. In fact, if they went too far (e.g. suggested/referenced homicide or suicide), I'd report them and/or delete their review.
Otherwise, a good review should tell you about any grammar mistakes, spelling mistakes, or misplaced words. They'll tell you the weaknesses and the strengths of your story, and, should they do the former, they'll offer suggestions as to how you might improve your work. (e.g. I see that you put 'I' where a 'me' should be. In my review, I say something like: You misused 'I' in [fill in sentence]. That needs to be a 'me'.)
I hope that helps.
>>63 - Not to mention, I looked and saw that one of your reviewers offered to help you with being a Beta Reader for you, to help you with your grammer issues. I suggest having them use the DocX system and finding the places that need corrections and then having you change them yourself, so that you'll learn and grow. Actually, one of my favorite reviewers on my old fanfics reviewed for the story and to help me on my grammer when I first started out. Nolstalgia.
>>66 - Welcome! :)
I'm always fairly honest in my reviews. But, I find, that most authors don't really like that. My review is either ignored, where all the others are replied too, or the author goes on a long diatribe about how and why the story is written like this or this character is acting like that. Which just annoys me. If you have to explain something outside of the story, then just put that in the story.
So, lately, I don't review much. If I do, it's usually just the stories that I like, in which I give positive feedback.
>>68 - I know how that feels really. But I also know, if someone doesn't step up and hold these people to have some sort of standard, they won't ever think to have standards. Actually, some are like, who cares about the rules, treating life as if they can get away with anything. Or... more perhaps along the lines that the internet is NOT part of the real world, when it really is.
>>69 - Yeah, but, some of them get really upset. And, I understand. If you're just writing something for fun, or you're all young and angsty and full of soft mushy spots that are easily bruised, then fine. It's cool, I don't have to critique them. I just wish that they would say, somewhere in the beginning of the story or something, "No negative feedback," or "Not looking for critiques." I can respect that.
But, obviously, they don't. So, then, I do. And, then they get their feelings hurt and I'm left standing there looking like a little baddy. ;o; Poor me, oh, my.
>>69 Many of the newer members who have posted their first FanFic are very susceptible to criticism if you are nice enough about pointing out their mistakes and how to fix them, but there will always be the ones that think their stories are holy pieces that need not be edited at risk of disturbing the balance that makes it so 'amazing.'
Standards need to be set if anyone is to be improved upon.
>>70 I've been blunt and to the point with some writers that are twelve and many of them simply say that they didn't know and start editing it.
Many will put, "No flames." But that leaves room for interpretation, meaning that leaving a critique can set them off for "flaming" their story.
Writing for fun doesn't mean you can't improve upon yourself, and some people are truly too soft when it comes to being criticized in anything they do. You need to learn what you're doing wrong to fix it.
Don't feel bad about 'hurting their feelings.' Many simply overreact or are extremely defensive of their work. Telling them what is wrong with their story is not a crime. You are doing nothing wrong and should feel no remorse in trying to help them.
>>71 You're a very nice lady and/or gentleman. Thank you very much. X3
I have already become somewhat of a critic on fanfiction.net. If I see a good story I tend to leave a good review with helpful hints on what could improve the story even further. I do have a hard time reviewing a bad story simply because I don't really like to be mean and there isn't much nice I could say for the bad story.
>>73 I completely know where you're coming from. Its hard to sit and come up with the nicest way possible to tell the writer they need work and to get them to actually take you're advice, when the story is bad. Something I've found to make it easier to help others is to think about if this were my story, what advice and crit would I listen to the most. I form the review the way i would like to see on one of my stories, the way some great people have done for me and hope that the person will take my crit into consideration.
>>71 I know I can be protective of my own work at times but I think if the reviewer words it as they are giving advice to help strengthen the story and the writer themselves, they will be more open to the information coming in. Rather than many reviewers that I've seen that come along and just tear the story apart and leaving it. If a reviewer can tell the writer what they found wrong, and maybe a suggestion on how to fix it, more writers would listen. Its difficult listening to anyone who rips apart something you've been working hard on. That's just my view on it as the writer.
I feel that being a writer myself and seeing the kind of reviews that help me will help me review on stories I read. It gives me another view other than some people who read and review and only have favorites on their page, never ever written a story before.
I just think there are ways to get the point across and the information to ground someone and reel them back to reality. If you can word it to point out the flaws and try to give advice on how to fix it and grow, more people would be less likely to act like they can do what they want.
>>73 & >>74 - I'm one of the fanfic critics on the site. I'll admit some of my reviews don't come out the way I want them too. Having done critique for a long time now, I wonder if there really is a "nice" way to tell a person they need to work on their fanfic.
I think even the reviews that try to pad the "not so nice stuff" with something positive really aren't "nice" reviews. At least not in the mind of a twelve to fourteen year old who thinks anything negative said to them is someone being "mean and spiteful".
The way I look at it is, while it is true that the stuff I've felt I needed to say isn't "nice things to hear", I do think that being told the truth is "kindness and not meanness" on the part of the reviewer.
>>75 You have a point about the young teens.
I do agree that it's hard but my thought is it shouldn't be "your story is horrible and atrocious." "stop writing" that sort of things. My opinion it should be something like "the story needs some work. Here is what I found that I think you should work on..." The telling the person that there are mistakes and problems but helping them to fix it. If that makes any sense the way I explained it.
I'm fine with people giving good criticism, because it makes you write better stories. What I don't like about groups as citics united is the reporting thing. This whole ratting each other out policy is just mean.
It's part of the reason why I nowadays focus more on archives like Lunaescence and JamlyFics. There, the moderators check every story and chapter for grammar and they kindly tell you if you break any rules, or if your story need adjustments to the spelling and grammar.
So yeah... I really think it's up to the moderators of ff.net to tell people that they're breaking the rules and not to other authors and readers on the site.
>>77 The sheer volume of stories posted on FFN everyday makes having a mod check over every one of them an impractical solution there, even though it works great for small archives. Judging by the speed at which abuse reports are handled, if FFN implemented a "mods check every story before it's posted" model, it would take at least a couple weeks for a submitted story to show up on the site.
Nonetheless, the moderators ARE the ones who have the power to enforce the rules. Abuse reports bring potential violations to their attention, but an actual mod has to say, "Yeah, this story is breaking the rules" and delete it. I've definitely had people threaten to report me for personal reasons (rather than anything having to do with the content of a story), and if they did, nothing ever came of it, because reported fics aren't automatically deleted.
And no, reporting stories that break the rules isn't mean. Not following the rules is disrespectful toward the site and toward one's fellow authors. Let's not shift the blame onto the people who're using the site as it's meant to be used, 'kay?
I don't think that ff.net had intended for groups like this to form, but hey...
I was reported back in december for having a story up that had a script format. I used the script format on purpose to enhance the humoristic aspects of my story. Anyway, I took the story off, because I wasn't going to change anything about it. It's still up on a different archive and none bothered me about the format there.
I've had a very unpleasant run in with a girl from the LU a few years ago. In a review she claimed one of my stories was trash and she told me to remove it, otherwise she would keep on stalking me. So I reported her and she went and posted a very nasty comment about me on her profile. She then also claimed that she (and others) would keep on sending me hate mail until I removed my story. I reported her again and I've never heard of her since.
So, pardon me if I don't like groups like these...
The girl from the LU really was a member. I checked it when I reported her. She didn't get banned, which really surprised me because I wasn't the only person she stalked. She did remove the things she wrote about me from her profile, so I guess she did receive a warning.
But aside from that, I have never liked groups like these, even before I got reported. I've seen tons of fics (and enjoyed quite a few of them) that are against the rules and I never reported them. I guess it just goes against my nature. I never rat anyone out. Except when it's a clear case of plagiarism.
And I'm also wondering if groups like CU really work, because as you pointed out: the sheer volume of stories that get posted every day cannot be checked by the mods. But the CU cannot check every story as well, so there are always fics that are bound to slip past their notice.
>>82 - I speaking from my knowledge of how the CU works rather then the LU. The CU members stay pretty nice until someone turns into a fanbrat so to speak.
There was a time when I didn't report stories either, unless they were plagiarism. The fanfics I saw breaking the rules would only crop up once a week at most. It seems to have become more frequent over the last few years. I also noticed that a lot of these rule breaking fanfics were getting more positive attention then fanfics that people worked had on obeying the rules on.
Not to mention the fact there are reasons to reports stuff beyond just plagiarism issues.
RPF involving famous people infringes upon their rights to privacy and some of these stories could be brought to court as being slanderous and harmful to the famous persons reputation and the fact is fiction will only fuel the case against people.
RPF self-inserts run the risk of revealing vital information about the author to an online stalker, not to mention RPF self-inserts tend to be “Mary Sued” versions of themselves so the writer runs the risk of calling the people who critique for “Mary Sue” issues “bullies” because the character is the writer.
Songs not in the public domain used in fanfiction is a copyright infringement, which is right up there with plagiarism, PARTICULARLY when the song fic is comprised mostly of the song rather then the writers own words and then they are a form of plagiarism.
Non-story content is spam on the site that takes up chances for the people posting legit fanfic to get noticed.
Interactive fanfic relates back to the RPF self-insert.
MA shouldn't be on this site. I'm not saying a teen under fifteen shouldn't read M or MA rated stuff. However, I will flat out say it isn't fair to a teenager expecting M rated stuff to suddenly find MA material.
This covers the basic rules. Grammar isn't an option for writing and if a person isn't willing to use it something is wrong. I'm going to say I would like script format to be allowed because I honestly see nothing wrong with script format. However, I will also say most people using it do it because they are lazy and/or they don't know how to properly use script format. The other issue comes basically from quality control. The site is free for us to use, why not obey the rules we agreed to obey in the first place as it isn't our site?
The CU's goal isn't to get rid of ALL the rule breaking fanfics either. They know they can't. They mostly work individually and being a part of the group serves two purposes. They've found that sometimes a second person telling a person that they are breaking the site rules makes some writers realize that the first person was telling them the truth. Group reporting is also good when it comes to dealing with fanfic writers who've made it clear they think they are above the rules and that an exception should basically be made for them. And yes... they have managed to get quite a few fanfics pulled from the site. They prefer it when an author pulls their own fanfic or edits it so it is rule compliant rather then having to report people.
>>83 – I think it was in reference to what I was saying more then what you were saying...