I ended up on this. http://www.fictionpress.com/s/1906813/1/
So, now I'm wondering what y'all think about sexuality in (fan)fiction. I personally think there are different ways of writing sexuality. Some writers go absolutely insane with pornographic descriptions, with other it is sweet and nice, and then there are some talented writers that manage to describe it without being explicit if you get what I mean.
For me, sexuality in (fan)fiction, is definitely one of the things that attract me, even though it doesn't necessarily mean I don't read anything else.
Some writers make it really vulgar, of course, but in general I don't think it should be seen as a sin to read or write about sexuality.
Back in the days when anyone LGBT was being murdered because he/she admitted to not fall in love with someone of the opposite gender, many teens ended up not understanding what was going on in bed. I mean, I'm happy to live in this generation when most talk more free about it all and teens are made aware what the consequences of sex are, unlike back then.
>>232 my dear bola
every parent straight or gay goes though the same happiness or hardship when they try to have a baby.
if these narrow minded full of ignorance who call themselves humans DO NOT understand that, they the probably should put their holy book to the side and re-check their intelligence!!
I think I LOVE SIR ELTON JOHN :D
I went for lunch and parents had the TV on, so some gossip like program has a priest there because of what Elton John said half a month ago.
>"I think Jesus was a compassionate, super-intelligent gay man who understood human problems." "Jesus wanted us to be loving and forgiving. I don't know what makes people so cruel."
of course now he is accused as blasphemer but what all those priests who tend to use a very sharp tongue for gay ppl, are losing the inner meaning of what Sir Elton said.
the whole thing is here: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/2859895/Elton-John-claims-Jesus-was-gay.html
>>235 Nice, I love him.
smirks He is acused as a blasphemer, but priests having sex with underage kids, pedeophilia (probably spelled wrong) is okay then? A priest here who is acused of the facts, is walking free now, can you believe it?
>>236 I do believe it because it happens, a lot.
that greek priest sent a letter to the Queen so she will take his title away, which is ridiculous!!!
and I am wonder: priests shouldn't they read their holy book and teach god's words in their churches instead of watching gossip programs on TV?
>>238 Sir Elton is most of all an incredible artist, also I totally agree with you that he doesn't need a title and all. BUT if they take away his title because of that it would be really sad.
well...I don't think he should have said Jesus was gay just because we do not know that, so saying such a thing is bound to cause anger and upset. I'm not saying that Christians have a right to be homophobic, just that making an unfounded remark like tht is going to cause a ruckus. Its like when black people insist that Jesus was black. I think what he did say which is very important, was that Jesus was compassionate, intelligent, passionate and a believer in the goodness of humanity. The way he treated prostitutes, to me, is a sign of how he sees 'sinners' or 'transgressive' lifestyles. I can't say what sexulity he was, if any, I can't say if he would advocate homosexuality, (hell, I can't even say if he definitly existed) but what I can say with some confidence is that Jesus would of happily spoken or eaten with such a person, not damned them or tried to harm or kill them in any way. Jesus is one of the best things from the bible...
I don't think they'll take his title. People would go mad...
>>240 I sure agree, but also we don't have the whole article so to read what he was saying etc.
I think Jesus was a figure who hadn't sexual desire, either homosexual or heterosexual.
I will say a few things here and I don't want to considered blasphemer because it is just a thought, of observing religion for years.
Jesus was the one who could be every person! he was the child, the parent, the man, the woman, the hard worker, the prostitute, the soldier, the victim, the heterosexual, the homosexual, the sinner, the saint, the friend, the teacher, the student, and so many more. he didn't just took the sins away from the ppl he was becoming them.
>>243 or pansexual :P
>>245
I love you when you hit the nail on the head :D
>>245
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e4/Jesuszeffirelliportrait.jpg
because he might be an amazing actor and we all loved that movie but you know blond with blue eyes is a bit too much :D
>>245, oh I know. I never believed he was white with blue eyes and blond hair. But at the same time a lot of my family have pictures of Jesus looking African. He wasn't that either. I keep saying to them 'he was born in Jeruselem!! He was more than likely tawny skinned, with a beard, and curly, short black hair!!!!" Its just annoying when people ignore facts or just make things up. The bible never mentions Jesus's sexulity but yet everyone always trying to work it out and work out who he was in love with. Its irritating because it takes away from important issues about what the man said (or was said to say,) and instead turns it into a silly soap opera with no ending.
>>249 No ending? What was the ascension all about, then?
Or are they waiting for a series reboot with the Second Coming?
>>250, Jesus' sexuality and apparent aexual exploits is a soap opera that has no ending- because there is no proof and no one will ever know.
I don't know much about christianity apart from what I was taught. So take from this what you will. A person can be christian in name but not in nature.You get people who twist the teachings for there own cause against what the bible and then people who don't belive in church yet treat everyone the same.
I belive in god. I don't want to say homosexuality is wrong because I don't think it's right to judge and I want to make that clear to other people on this board who are being offensive about it. Your not being christian. Christian is to treat people the way you want to be treated yourself. Agree or not you turn the other cheek because thats how jesus told us. Unless a burning bush has spoken to you recently don't try and lead the way or interpte the bible. Just do what is right the ten commandments. Respect people.
People who are being offensive to religion in general. I don't know but going to church. Is important to me. It brings communitys together and if you remove the god aspect. It is just a bunch of people coming together to say "Hey isn't it great. Look how amazing the trees are. Love is so nice!" It gives people hope. I know it's ignorant but I would pefer a false hope and that someone , no matter what I've done, care's for me and no matter how bad things get. It'll be better soon. It joins people together so please try to be respectful. You may not belive it and feel wronged but two rights don't make a wrong. It too is offensive.
Sorry for the huge lecture but It's just how I feel.
>>254 @swiftswallow
allow me to bow in front of you and applaud with all my heart for what you just said THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
finally a person who IS religious and DOES understand the meaning of religion!!!
Thumbs up to you too Ray Ray ;)
Thumbs up to swiftswallow, RayRay and Sera.
Has anyone else noticed that yaoi (boy/boy slash) gets criticised waaay more than yuri (girl/girl slash) or ridiculous hetrosexual pairings?
I thought at first that it was probably because more yaoi stories are out there, but I think there are a lot of crazy hetro fics as well, but yaoi seems to get the full brunt. What do people think?
I think... well there isn't really any excuse for hating one more than another, but male homosexual relationships have always been criticised more, for a long, long time.
It's probably got more of a background, but if you think about it, how many men like to see girls getting it on? Lots of them. There really is something about yuri that gets men, whereas fewer people find yaoi attractive.
It's just a guess on my part, but it seems to point quite a lot to it. I dunno why men find girl on girl sexy, I'd love to know why but most will just reply "It just is"
Lol.
Well, thing is, lots of girls love seeing two guys together. However, that's often heavily criticised, but guys liking/finding it kinky that two girls together is pretty much accepted...
well Yaoi is sure has way more ffs than yuri, and also a lot of yaoi ffs have a bad name because of the quality of the fic and not the actual subject.
I like seeing two guys together, but I prefer reading well written stuff... contrary to that though I won't read yaoi on FF.net really, unless it's RemusSirius.
Watching it - sometimes is fun, but I think it's more of a thing I can only watch when it's characters. Not in Real life...
I think Yaoi gets a lot of crap, what with the warning and everything. I mean, you warn ppl for gay couples, but not straight? I've seen thousands of SLASH! Warnings, but no STRAIGHT! warnings. Personally, I don't read straight pairings that often, I prefer yaoi, but I hate it when I get messages saying, 'well you could've told us it was going to be gay'. WTF? I only just thought of it myself! So now, in my stories I put warnings for straight and slash pairings, is only fair.
Yuri isn't treated as bad because you don't get many stories where its a main thing, mostly background pairings. I'm Bisexual, so I read both yuri and yaoi and I like them! If any homophobic idiots want to critise my stories, let them! It just shows that they don't know what there talking about. I watch yaoi as well, mostly characters though, watching real ppl is too funny, especially when they get tans but there are missing patched where their underwear was :)
>>264
the only time i give warnings is when there is sex in the fic. I do write yuri in a canon yuri fandom, so it is simply unnecessary to mention that: "hey you know they are lesbians, you have been warned" i have seen it a couple of times though.
when i put one of my lesbian characters being young and curious and not completely sure about her sexuality and sort of had sex with a male friend of hers I gave a warning "it contains hetero lemon." only because it wasn't canon.
if it was just affection between them i wouldn't give any warning.
it doesn't matter what kind of sex the characters have, as long as it is sex there should be a warning. if the couple is not canon then someone can put a warning of the kind of sex, or simply put the characters' names and lemon and those who know the fandom would understand.
i completely agree with you that there shouldn't be difference in the warnings.
I think a large part of the reason is the amount of it and the OOCness of it. There is the obvious to many guys, male/male = yuck too. I'll be using Final Fantasy VII fanfiction as an example.
Skimming through fanfiction summaries, in some fandoms there seem to be more male/male fics, than male/female or female/female combined. I'd guess from summaries that a higher percentage of the male/male ones are also more about the physical side of a relationship, than the male/female ones. There seems to be a lot improbable situations to lead to smut, like 'Cloud gets locked in Sephiroth’s lab cell'. They exist in all relationship types, but it seems more common in yaoi fics. Another common problem is the 'no more propagation of the species' scenario, where suddenly every male is only interested in men and the females are usually asexual or fangirling over said m/m.
The 'OOCness side' could also come into play. It's difficult for me at least to suddenly imagine Cloud suddenly falling deeply in love/lust with Sephiroth, despite previously being seen attracted to females only, him killing one of those females and the hating him in general. This could possibly be why the improbably situations.
I will say though, I've seen an incredibly high amount of bad yaoi fics, but I have read a few that were great enough for me to just try ignore the relationship and sex parts. I've read very few yuri fics, as they seem rare (outside of the Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha section anyway, but Nanoha/Fate is implied and even in the omake manga - in a one-sided way).
To be fair, it can be argued that Cloud could be gay, or at least bisexual, as you can get the Gold Saucer date scene with Barret. I don't personally interpret it that way, but there's nothing wrong with another writer (who actually likes yaoi) doing so. Cloud/Sephiroth can only be pulled off by two types of writers, however:
Unfortunately, I have yet to read a Cloud/Sephiroth fic by a writer who falls into the second category, and I have yet to write a parody, except in the form of a short forum post.
These days, I rarely even bother to look at the 'just in' section for FF7 on fanfiction.net, because I know that all the summaries will be along the lines of, 'OMG, what will happen to Cloud when he has to work on a mission with his crush Sephy (who finds himself oddly attracted to Cloud for inexplicable- BUT SEXYYY- reasons)?!! Read to find out, and LEAVE A REVIEW KTHXBYE!!!!'. Instead, I wait for others to recommend.
>>267 It's been a while since I saw it, but if I remember correctly, it never seemed like much of a date, more like Barret tagging along.
One of the latter, for Cloud/Sephiroth would be interesting to read, as long as it wasn't graphic. It is difficult to find good FFVII fics though, or even recommendations for them. The only interesting one I've read recently is Minerva's Gift.
Given that you can also have Cloud play along with Don Corneo and try to kiss him (and his embarrassed reaction when Tifa and Aeris enter the room), I would still argue that it is a matter of interpretation. In Event Square, you can kiss male or female characters during the play. Anyway, as for the Cloud/Barret date scene- the fact that it can happen is canon. Your interpretation that Barret is 'tagging along' is just that, an interpretation. Also, Cloud follows Barret of his own free will- I seem to remember that both Tifa and Aeris had to push him along (at least at first).
I'm playing devil's advocate here; I don't personally believe that Cloud is gay, but my point is that you can't say that a character in someone's fic is OOC because their sexuality doesn't fit your interpretation of the source material. The fact is, there's canon both ways for Cloud.
There's already a thread on here about FF7 fiction, so you could try reading through that for recommendations. And I agree that a good Cloud/Sephiroth would be interesting.
Plus, like I say in 259, there are plenty of ridiculous hetrosexual pairings (lets ignore the mary sue ones...) but they don't get as much grief.There are good homosexual fics that people would immediatly write off as badly written teenage fantasy porn, which isn't always the case.
However, it's very true that some fandoms have a lot of homosexulity (which isn't bad) but they are written badly (which isn't good.)But the focus on yaoi, to me, seems unfair, considering how many bad types of fanfic there are.
Has anyone noticed that anime has more 'yaoi galore xD' type fics than other genre's? I have a theory on why but I'm interested in other people opinion...
>>270 I totally agree with what you say here.
about yaoi in anime fics.
well Anime/manga world is filled with homosexuality, mostly in the affection type of homosexuality, it becomes explicit in the hentai anime.
every regular anime there is has at least ONE homosexual couple or/and affection. when we jump into different kinds of anime then you choose on Yuri or Yaoi.
the most famos yaoi anime is Loveless, which have a yaoi affection & a yaoi couple + a very active yuri one.
yuri anime go even further to the point when there is not a single male character in the story, mostly in all-girls schools, sempai/kouhai affection with a lot of kissing and sometimes a "promising for more" scene, of the after the sex naked bodies scene like this one http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_stuff/210x600/amane--hikari-52144.jpg
@Moonphase,
I tend to write fics with crack pairings in mind. Not like I get some sick "hoi hoi!" grin about abusing canon, but I am bored of canon and there are always things which could be done with different characters in mind. I've written a homosexual one-shot with a crack pairing which was well-recieved by it's readers, but I agree that (head begins to inflate) it is quicker condemned gross porn if the writer writes it poorly.
It all goes down to how one person sells it, I guess. Hetro' have been the norm in society (man + woman = babies), and homo' are still, let's face it, quite new in the scale of things. (I support it all the way, but it wasn't exactly heard of a hundred years ago, say.) People without a lot of evidence still make judgements on works, and it's likely their opinions are enforced on hetro' because they've known it to happen (and be published in wider range of books) for longer. I don't make an awful lot of sense, but there are rubbish hetro scenes which are tolerated and rubbish homo scenes with are considered disgusting because it's more a recent thing. (Maybe.)
I've noticed this Yaoi galore in anime typed fics also. (Yet, there's LOADS of MerlinXArthur) I guess -providing you can make anything out from the above paragraph- it's because there are lots of yaoi moments in anime/manga (CCSakuras brother being gay, eg?) which has probably been around longer than, let's say, Torchwood.
>>273 don't let me start ranting about Sailor Moon english dub :P
yes the first yaoi could they turn the boy into a girl.
then there was Haruka and Michiru the cannon lesbian couple of the series that it was turned into cousins.
another gay male was turned into woman, and last season was never aired due to the transgenderism and lesbianism.
Lol, I didn't mean it's only recently homosexuality has come to exist, but rather as you put it "cultures were more against it than tolerant of it." And as you said, we're only just getting over these old fashioned ways. Westerners are becoming more open about it, but I suppose that some places have always been open about it.
>>276
I was actually ranting about Eng Dub :P
though there are some writers who follow the Dub stupidity in their fic
Because I'm very interested in this subject I have a link to wiki about the history of homosexuality bookmarked. It also says when it was decriminalized in some parts of the Western world. I find it very interesting.
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>"IM A CHRISTIAN DO THIS OR HELLFIRE AND REGRET RAWR RAWR RAWR"
>sigh
Isn't this the sort of behavior moderate Christians hate because it makes them all look foolish?
Hmm, I tried to submit an abuse report to fictionpress for that anti-porn rant, but the security code isn't working for me.
