I know it doesnt have the largest fanbase, but i was wondering just how many people here also love this brilliant show?
And what good fics would you reccomend. Or, what good anything Heroes related would you reccomend :P
i love heroes
but since i lost all the episodes 9 months ago i havent download them yet
but i love the show
Insane, the new season is bloody brilliant :P
I love the show but don't read the fic. Although season 2 was terrible...
This is in my 'to be watched, when I'm not being crushed until a mountain of essays' pile. I picked up some DVDs when I was in China and watched the first few episodes. It does seem interesting, though I was expecting it to be mind-blowing from all the people telling me to watch it and how great it is.
I'm sad to say I went off the show awhile back, but I recently found three pretty good fics for it. I'd link properly, but I'm an idiot.
Unmade is a claustrophobic piece that has great atmosphere. It's very slightly slashy, but absolutely brilliant. Find it here:
http://community.livejournal.com/libraryofsol/63595.html#cutid1
What You Wish For by cerebel is Parkman's POV, again slash but it's not center stage, short, well written and a great ending. It's on FF.net
Heroes Abridged: With Commentary, Genesis by Anonymius is a parody, takes the mick out of everyone, including the author, but isn't flaming, and is funny. Also on FF.net
I love Heroes! I've watched all the seasons! Does anyone know if there is another season coming our way...? My favourate character is Peter! I love him!
It's not something I'd write about though...I only write for anime/manga, I can't connect that way with tv shows.
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Yeah you can search on the Internet for the new episodes. Just put "Heroes (Episode name) Megavideo" into google and it will come up with an online stream you can watch. Were on like episode 9.
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Hiro saves Charlie from season 1 :O
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I personally LOVE Heroes and I'm REALLY looking forward to the next episode, The Fifth Stage. If you've seen all the other episodes and want to see the promo, it's here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRYT2k0ILEY
Favorite character is Peter, with Hiro in second. Especially in the first season, I just loved Hiro's enthusiasm.
As far as I'm concerned, Heroes ended five minutes before the end of HtSaEM, and it has not continued past that point. That's the only way I can continue thinking of the show as one with consistent characters, resolvable plot threads, and closed time loops. When the second season sucked, I assumed that it was because of the changes forced by the writer's strike, but since then it's become clear that no one involved with writing the show has any idea how to tell a story. (Hint: Having characters change goals/motivations/personalities/relationships every five minutes for no reason doesn't count).
there are quite a lot of good Sylarfics on ffnet. I tried to write some too. he's such a complex character and with his powers, the possibilities are endless.
try "A Far Distant Future" from Vespaer
Nice i'll give it a look :) And to >>11, the new series is actually good.
Ugh. I can't even think up a metaphor graphic enough to describe how I feel about the current season. I tried watching it again after giving up midway through the third season (about when they decided that Elle wasn't a sociopath in the past for some reason), but I gave up again when it became absolutely clear that no one pays any attention to continuity--for me, it was specifically the complete bullshitting of how time travel works in this 'verse, which had been very clear in the first season, that really made me realize that no one involved with the show had the slightest idea of what they were doing.
I love Heroes, although due to various reasons (mainly lack of time and other things) I've only got about halfway through series 3. I've haven't found any Heroes fics that stand out in my mind as being, well, amazing. I do, however, write some myself, and wouldn't mind some feedback on them. They're on my ff.net, (linked in my name). I'll have to check out the ones on this thread as well.
I never gave any importance to continuity. it's the character development that counts in any series, I'd even say the plot is less relevant as well.
Continuity includes character continuity, and they've certainly screwed that pooch hard enough that it'll have trouble sitting down for the rest of it's life (See? I'm usually pretty adroit with figuratively describing things I hate). I mean, character motivations sometimes change from episode to episode with little to no reason other than "Because the plot demands it!" Add to that the fact that Heroes characters don't retain knowledge or experience from season to season (or episode to episode, sometimes).
(Spoilers ahoy, everybody!)
In connection to my huge beef with the shitty time travel on this show, let's talk about Hiro. Even back in s1, he had a little bit of the "durr, my character development is based solely on plot needs!" curse, what with him deciding to ditch Ando on the advice of some skeezy guy he had no reason to listen to. But even with that, he saw substantive growth throughout the season leading up to him killing the BBEG in the finale. Sweet. He looked like he was well on his way to becoming a cool, competent character like his future self.
Even in the absolutely dismal second season, his character progression made basic sense. The Feudal Japan arc was deadly dull, but Hiro mostly acted like someone who had lived through the first season: He was energetic and optimistic, and also COMPETENT; aside from being stuck in the past (which, if I recall correctly, was partly because he didn't want to leave rather than because he sucked at using his powers), he didn't screw up every time he tried to freeze time. And, again, the progression over the season, boring as it was, made sense.
And then s3 happened. Apparently, at some point between the second and third volumes, Hiro hit his head and totally forgot how to be a functional human being. What's the first thing he does after Kaito tells him not to open the safe? Opens it (just in time for the formula half to get stolen). Why would he do that? Well, there are two options: One, because he was ignoring all his prior characterization (even naive-as-heck s1 Hiro would have left it closed, seeing it as a heroic duty to guard the safe), or two, because the formula had to get stolen, and the writers couldn't do that without making him an idiot.
It only got worse as the season went on. Why was it necessary to make Hiro mentally 10 years old? Well, so he couldn't use his powers to do anything effective, and because clearly, the fans wanted more s1 Hiro--because, really, who cares about characters growing and changing over time?--except annoying. Fans looooove annoying. And then Hiro's powers are killing him. Again, this development serves no purpose other than to make him less effectual. Despite this, he decides he wants to use his powers to help people. That's a fine decision, but it should have come at the beginning of the season, because there was very little in s3 that led up to it.
Oh, but then in s4, "helping people" means "going back in time 40-some times to stop some idiot from photocopying his ass. Because apparently using his power isn't hazardous to his health any more. Take that, character continuity! Later, he goes back and saves Charlie, despite time travel SPECIFICALLY NOT WORKING THAT WAY, a lesson he should have learned from the first two seasons. Even if presented with the opportunity to try and save her again, he should've known that it wouldn't work, and that it would only break his heart again. That's part of what made 6MA a brilliant, poignant episode way back in s1. But, hey, who remembers what happened in s1? Certainly not the writing staff! So Hiro makes a decision that he should know not to make, because the needs of the plot have changed, and a wiser Hiro could not meet those needs. And then I stopped watching.
Go to hell, Heroes.
Oh, and if anyone wants to argue with this post (and I assume you do) please point out specific examples of things that you think worked, whether it be in Hiro's storyline or somebody else's. Thanks.
Heroes is awesome. I've written quite a few fics :)
I don't generally disagree with the points people have made about the failings of Heroes, I just... don't care. If the downfalls bothered me that much, I just wouldn't watch.
>>17 Theres alot of good points there, but all you seem to be doing is bashing the time travel. In fact, the only thing you seem to have to talk about is Hiro... Not saying this means anything, im just asking why you didnt give a more... general bashing of the show.
And yes, there is alot of continuity problems in Heroes. Characters do seem to just forget that they left an irish woman abandoned in the future... Peter, hint hint.
And yes, Hiros opening of the safe was OOC. It would have made more sense if Ando had opened it when Hiro wasnt looking.
But about Hiro going back in time to save Charlie. The reason he couldnt save her in season 1 was because he didnt believe he could. He had given his abilities rules, when in reality, he understood nothing about them. He didnt understand the true potential his powers had, and the reason his powers were playing up were because he had decided they were playing up.
As for in season 2, when hiro remains in the past because of choice, well, yes, that was the point. He accidentally travelled to the first place he could think of when Sylar threw him across Kirby Plaza, which was the time of Kensei. This made sense, as he had been spending alot of time thinking about Kensei. By this point, he had realised that his powers were under his control, and only stayed there to set history right, because it wasnt playing out correctly.
The reason I disagree with you about Hiro and Charlie is because his failure wasn't presented as his fault in s1. There's a big difference between "I couldn't save her because I don't know what I'm doing" and "I couldn't save her because the time stream just ignores attempts to change the past." And the latter, not the former, was definitely the impression I got from the show's first two seasons. I mean, look at the long time travel in s2: by going back to Kensei's time, he actually makes the stuff he's read about happen and puts the whole plot of the second season into motion by his presence. THAT'S really good time travel, and it's consistent with his inability to change the past in s1, because the past still just kind of works around his presence like he's a rock thrown into a stream.
Hiro's a smart cookie. After two seasons of beautiful closed loops, he should realize that that's how time travel works. But instead, he completely ignores everything he should have learned, and now, time travel all of a sudden DOESN'T work that way. I completely disagree that it's because he's better with his powers (he is, but it still took him 40some times before he could save ass-photocopying man, which suggests he's not THAT much better). It's because that's what the plot called for in s4, and Heroes characters are at the mercy of the plot's whims rather than driving it forward themselves.
I guess we must agree to disagree then. But still, i argue on...
If sombody believes they cant do somthing, they are more likely to fail. If you are playing football, and you keep thinking "I will never be able to score a goal, because i simply cant aim" Then the liklihood is you will not score a goal. (Im speaking about Soccer for you Americans) I belive that because Hiro had allready created pre-concieved beliefs about his ability, that he couldnt save Charlie. When he met Samuel in Season 4, his beliefs changed, because he changed the future for Ando.
And he is better with his powers. Yes, it took some 40 tries to save ass man, but that was because Assman was very, very determined to photocopy his ass. He still managed to time travel to the exact location, and stop ass man from photocopying his ass each time.
And despite the fact i disagree with you so strongly, i agree that somtimes the Heroes plot should be given to people who know what us fans want...
I've recently got into Heroes-fics. Despite what you think of the show it has great opportunity for writing.
I mainly focus on Sylar & sometimes Mohinder.
Sylar is badass so writing about him is always fun.
You know Marth I too used to think that no matter what Hiro did he couldn't change the past. I used to think that was a rule in Heroes, that you can't change the past but you can change the future, and even though that wouldn't make sense in terms of physics, I thought it was a realistic message, because like in the real world you can't change the past but you can change the future, and you can't do anything like bring a character back to life if they've died in the present. So I couldn't understand why Hiro couldn't get it through his thick skull that he can't change the past despite all he's experienced.
Then comes season 4 where he clearly does change the past and I thought WHAT THE HELL? I always knew there was a chance that they would throw away what I thought was a time travel rule, but I guessed that would be post season 5 since they had talked of things up to season 5. sigh. Of course in once upon a time in texas it referenced Hiro appearing in a photo he wasn't in before. I thought I noticed that in season 1, but given Hiro saying he couldn't change the past and Charlie having the Japanese phrase book and seemingly already liking Hiro alot I guessed I must have been mistaken. This was a time when I thought the writers knew what they were doing. I mean you can't have it so that you can both change the past and at other times create the past that you know, you can only do one or the other, you can't have it both ways!
My guess? They got too overwhelmed with the simply vastness of different characters, and so didn't cross all their t's and dot their i's. I've only been watching since Season 3 (don't judge, I'm trying to get the rest on DVD) but they don't seem to realise that time travel is a VERY DELICATE OPERATION! One tiny slip up and BOOM, rip in time/alternate universe/something else life-threatening.
Not wanting to bash Hiro, he and Ando are my favourite characters, but his character development has been...flawed. But with about five or so different major plots it's kinda to be expected that they'll slip up here and there.